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muckamuck
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#22327100 - 10/03/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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'"It's all in the genes" is an explanation for the way things are that doesn't threaten the way things are'
So I saw this talk by dr gabor mate on reddit recently and felt like sharing, I tnhink he makes some excellent points about why why so many people are unhappy in what is admittedly a fairly comfortable (materially at least) culture.
The media in this country is talking about drug and mental health epidemics all the time, and the answer always seems to be more law enforcement or more mental health awareness because the common understanding of health problems in the west, both physical and mental, tends to look for the cause of illness inside the individual, rather than using the 'shamanic' approach that understands the unity of body and mind and the importance of a persons place within the community. Probably because this kind of examination would immediately expose how toxic the culture is. Obviously personal responsibility is important if we want to find inner peace and people must ultimately find their own answers but I feel like there are very few opportunities today for young people to develop these faculties. I get the feeling that community guidance simply doesn't exist anymore, or that it's been replaced by an artificial and alien mass media that doesn't really care for the wellbeing of anyone, being so far removed from the people it's informing.
Anyway it's a half hour talk I recommend people watch
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Re: society and health [Re: muckamuck]
#22327466 - 10/03/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't watch the video, but the synopsis you gave is very interesting, and full of very important points. There is indeed no ethic of community, at least in the States, and it is really 'every-man-for-himself'; we promulgate a fierce individualism to the point that no one has social nourishment, and a huge swath of people are unhappy and suffer from a kind of loneliness and marked anomie. There are other reasons for this as well, but that is a central one. And, as you say, there are very, very few opportunities for young people to get out of this rut -- they just don't exist. As a result of this cultural orientation, we blame drug addicts for their addiction rather than the true underlying causes, which a sense of community would be required to really address. Your point that a more thorough examination of our culture's foundations would expose its toxicity, and therefore does not take place, is a good one.
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I don't think many people realize just HOW brutal this culture is! This could be because so many are kept busy busy busy, if not trying to make ends meet, but also all the distractions of plastic entertainments--the little friggin hand held computers most people are hypnotized with now etc---video freakin games. So people dont look deep into things. And this is stage-managed by conspiracies who want it that way. because it suits them, and keeps them rich. So we have to see through it
Notice how worldwide psychedelics are banned! This means that they also do not want us having ecstasy. Ecstasy is defines as leaving your 'ordinary self'. The 'ordinary' self' is the mind-controlled (in our modern case) 'consumer-robot' which has replaced the human being. This self is stage-managed relentlessly via the mindcontrollers of the PR machine, and of course from when we're small 'education'
EVEN Amsterdam relatively recently banned the sale of magic mushrooms
Yes, we know there's a supposed 'resurgence of psychedelic research', but it is all in the gestapo-esque care of the authorities. they, for example, keep the 'psilocybin'pills in a 800 pound safe which is weighed every freakin day. Compare with Mother nature freely growing magic mushrooms in wonderful places free for all to pick!!
As you rightly say, they blame the individual for the brutal abuse they suffer from this insane system we are oppressed under, and doing so is supposed to 'disappear' the REAL cause, which is the very civilization. To really understand this is profoundly important for true sanity
We are daily bombarded with their BS control-freak mindcontrol, mainly through the TV, which as you notice are getting bigger all the time
But I say DON'T throw it out. See through it. Take a dose of psychedelics---not too much, so you can see beneath their facades. There is also some real good drama on from time to time, at least here. I saw an amazing BBC production of Lady Chatterly's Lover the other week that a Youtube could never manage to produce. Drama can really get truths through to you in deep ways that non-fiction can't. For example. the story is about the love affair of two people from completely different classes. Her lover when they are about to kiss hesitates, and she whispers is he afraid, and he replies "not you. You and the world" the passion of the intense and very erotic scene really brings the truth of what he says home to you and has a deep affect, because that which he is talking about continues
Later there is a dramatic scene where he rejects her and she cannot understand why she does not want the love she thought they had
'Lady: I wanted you for _us!_'
Lover: '_ Us?_ I went down pit at 12! That's what your kind do to children! Pack em off underground! Away from light and nature and good things!...All the while your marrying for land and title!
Later after telling him she is pregnant with their baby, and how they can be together he says:
'I've a fear of putting children into this world, the world that's comin', the machine world, and machine men.'
This is all really deep shit.
What 'they' [the same continuing greedy mindset from then] do is brutalize us and then make us 'FORGET' we are by making their ugly 'world' seem to be 'normal' via various mind control strategies (they spend MILLIONS of money-notes researching this). You can see they do this same process with all the indigenous peoples they have destroyed since 1491 and continue to destroy.
So it is very important to be aware of this brutality. To remember
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Re: society and health [Re: zzripz]
#22329816 - 10/03/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im totally with you about finding things to enjoy within popular culture, anything can be fascinating if you look closely with the right mindset, but yeah, it can be very profound at times, even if it's mostly unintentional. Drama isn't really my thing though, I prefer video freakin games to be honest I know stuff like call of duty are training simulations designed to glamourise war, but hey, fun is fun. also I think you might be surprised by the potential of games as a storytelling medium.
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Re: society and health [Re: muckamuck]
#22331738 - 10/04/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never seen the point of video games. my first experience of em was years ago when it was all beginning and this freidn's son was into Laura Croft, and the graphics were sort of just going in and in and in and they were shooting other characters. I just found it utterly boring Maybe your very young, don't know. But vid games are a multi billion dollar/pound bizness and they are really a major distraction, espesh when you get addicted and they take up hours, days, of your time. I mean look. You are living in the amazing experience which is life. But these matrix-makers got you glued to a freakin screen. totally cut off from all you could be exploring in the real world. ever thought bout that?
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Re: society and health [Re: zzripz]
#22332093 - 10/04/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Video games have become a necessity for the control of human behavior and overall peaceful existence within this culture. We have the wirings of hunters so you need to get it out somehow... They want to make football illegal. There aren't a lot of options for appealing to our wirings , and even though I'm not A gamer I can see why so many people invest their brains into it. Same with movies.. Remove all these avenues to appeal to our wirings and you will see a major increase in murder and suicide, Etc.
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Re: society and health [Re: zzripz]
#22334140 - 10/04/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok it doesn't look like anyone is going to listen to the thing I posted, so let's talk gaming.
The thing about video games is that nobody takes them seriously. I consider it similar to the way science fiction was looked down on as a literary genre 50 years ago. They have traditionally been held to a lower standard than other forms of media and this actually works in their favour because they don't necessarily have to conform to the same social pressures as film and television, so developers have retained comparitively more freedom of expression. The Metal Gear Solid franchise for example has a long history of incorporating such themes as simulated realities, the war economy, shadow governments, child soldiers, cia drug trafficking, ptsd, genetic engineering, big money, information control, social memes, biotechnology, the list goes on, all presented in a VERY entertaining fashion that encourages players to connect emotionally with the characters through a shared struggle through the levels. Video games get a free pass to present uncomfortable ideas because they haven't been exposed to the same levels of social criticism and only losers play them anyway so who cares. We have a situation now in which their growing mainstream acceptance means more social critics who don't even play games are sticking their noses where they're not wanted and trying to change things according their own view of how the world should be. Games tend to be extremely archetypal. They don't care about fashion or social trends like the fat acceptance movement. People are trying to paint all gamers (an extremely diverse group of people) as misogynistic racist haters because they don't want lara croft to start looking like rosie o'donnel. It's ridiculous. Yes, games can be blatantly violent or sexist or juvenile, but that's what I find refreshing in a world where every other form of entertainment has been steamrolled by the soulless machinery of political correctness. You don't see the point because you haven't bothered looking close enough. The point is that they're fun, so there, leave my hobby alone. Maybe they do waste time, but no more so than movies or whatever. I've seen more interesting and engaging universes created in video games than anything thats come out of hollywood in the last 15 years. It's about fantasy and imagination and freedom, an escape from the nonsense of the too serious people in the world.
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Re: society and health [Re: muckamuck]
#22335069 - 10/04/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you think the people whom are actually in charge would let cures(for serious diseases and so forth let them be used on the public or would they be kept secret? just wondering as the health care field is very large and cures might impact the economy significantly.
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enlightened seed said: do you think the people whom are actually in charge would let cures(for serious diseases and so forth let them be used on the public or would they be kept secret? just wondering as the health care field is very large and cures might impact the economy significantly.
I've actually talked to someone in the know on this, and he said he didn't think suppression of information takes place on a large scale. Meaning that say, if someone found a cure for diabetes, it would be more profitable to release it than not to. And that keeping something like that a secret would be very hard to do in such a field. So, that's my .
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