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An epic grow (hopefully)
    #22326875 - 10/03/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm back I guess. Its been awhile since i've posted or done a grown. For the past week or so i've been in the mood to grow again.  Today I ordered 3 syringes,12 sealed jars that already have sterilized brown rice flour and vermiculite and a grow bag. I don't know what the strains are going to be until they get here since I bought some random syringes. They were cheaper. I was going to try to make this a mini grow log. I'll update again when everything comes in the mail.

While i'm here I want to ask a question. I don't like using grow bags. I've used them in the past but I think they take too long to colonize. The bag already has sterilized brown rice flour and vermiculite in it. I wanted to open the bag and put some in each of these plastic cups,inject some spores in them and wrap and cover the tops with aluminum foil.



Do you think they will contaminate? What would be the difference between me sterilizing substrate myself and putting the substrate in a jar or cup and opening the bag and using the bag's substrate? Its already sterilized. I've tired this once before in a shotglass. The shotglass colonized fast,fruited and it didn't contaminate. I don't know if I just got lucky though.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22326881 - 10/03/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you are going to just tear it apart, you should just buy the brf and Verm and put it together yourself...no those cups will not work, you need to at the LEAST steam your jars...those cups simply will not withstand a steam cycle.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22326896 - 10/03/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whelp that suck. I don't have a pressure cooker so I cant steam them. I've bought jars from websites before. I've never had any problems with contamination. I'll either buy the brf,verm and a pressure cooker or i'll just inject the spores in the bag and be patient. I'll probably end up doing that. My jars should finish colonizing before the bag finishes.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22326916 - 10/03/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

With BRF jars you can use a large pot and steam them at a good simmer for about 90 minutes, water an inch or two deep at the bottom of the jar, put something on the bottom of the pot to keep them off the metal. I've had no problems using that method, prior to getting a PC


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22327045 - 10/03/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whelp that suck. I don't have a pressure cooker so I cant steam them. I've bought jars from websites before. I've never had any problems with contamination. I'll either buy the brf,verm and a pressure cooker or i'll just inject the spores in the bag and be patient. I'll probably end up doing that. My jars should finish colonizing before the bag finishes.



I've bought from ebay before, a 6 pack of brf jars, for like 35$. The jars were packed wayy too tightly and the ratios of brf to verm were off as well. Jars barely colonized at all. Complete waste of money. Just save your money for a decent PC and jump into grains, it is well worth it. I still have my Presto 23qt, 80$ from amazon.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22327170 - 10/03/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For 35 bucks you could buy enough verm and brown rice to make a couple hundred jars.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: hago hongo]
    #22327179 - 10/03/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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For 35 bucks you could buy enough verm and brown rice to make a couple hundred jars.



Exactly. That's why those sites with "pre-made" jars or all-in-one grow kits are such a scam. They make money off people that don't want to put in the time and effort to get what they want. There are no short-cuts in this hobby.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22327189 - 10/03/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just don't like the idea of ordering premade mushroom growing substrate. It's alot more discrete to Do it yourself. It is also alot more rewarding. I have taken many trips but the first one from fruits that I grew myself was a very rewarding experience.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: hago hongo]
    #22327244 - 10/03/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, once I got my PC, I was like why even bother doing cakes, I'm jumping right to grains. Followed an old tek from shroomology using a 6 qt dub tub. Despite many noobish mistakes, I was still able to have a great first flush. It just goes to show how easy it is to grow cubes. :thumbup:


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22327432 - 10/03/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

OP you don't need a PC to steam cakes.  You need a pot with a lid to steam cakes. Buy some proper widemouth half pint jars those plastic cups are not going to hold up.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22328259 - 10/03/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all you guy's suggestions.Yep Ebay is where I bought the jars from. There all 1/4th jars.They colonize faster than half pints. I figured from all those 1/4th jars and plastic cups.I would have just as much shrooms as if I used half pints.

I have a pot with a lid so I can at least steam the jars. I was going to fruit the 1/4th cakes or stack them. Put them in the fruiting chambe,r mist the walls and fan. Hopefully everything works out.

I already bought everything so its too late to get my money back. Next time I grow,I'll buy a pressure cooker,sterilize the substrate myself and start casing.

I thought these plastic cups would work because I seen a couple people on this forum grow with them. Do you think glass cups will work?


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22328271 - 10/03/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Glass cups can work but jars are better. If your spending money then buy jars and get your moneys worth.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22328311 - 10/03/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just going to use glass cups this time. I'll make sure they're clear and see through so I can see the mycelium growth.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22328368 - 10/03/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Are you broke? If your spending money on glass cups understand they don't last as long as jars and a foil lid is nit nearly as good as a jar lid. There is a reason we recommend jars.

If you are broke and just using your own drinking ware then fine. But I can never help but feel that if someone doesn't have $20 to buy jars that perhaps growing mushrooms shouldn't really be on their list of priorities.

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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22328411 - 10/03/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Although I know it clearly feels like it when the myc is growing for the first time, faster colonization really isn't *that* big of a deal, probably not worth making cakes that are so much smaller.

The reason for that is that you're going to be growing them for *months* after birthing, because cakes are very capable of putting out multiple flushes.  It took me five weeks from inoculation to picking my first mushrooms, and two months later I'm a few days away from dunking for fourth flush, and they're still going.

It's probably not worth reducing the long term yields just to save a week or so on colonization.

You should be able to find a dozen wide mouth half pints (which seem to colonize better than the tall regular mouth ones I started with) for about $10.  Do that. :smile:


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Sivarted]
    #22328918 - 10/03/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not broke. If I was then I wouldn't have bought the syringes,jars,tub that i'm going to use as a fruiting chamber and grow bag. I didn't buy any glass ware. I was going to use the glass cups from my kitchen. I wasn't even going to buy the grow bag. The only reason I bought it was to maybe get some extra shrooms. I don't even have to use glass cups. I could always inject it in the bag. I didn't want to spend more money if I didn't have to. 

@Sivarted

I was going to maybe stack the cakes. If I stack them then the cakes will be almost as big as half pint cakes. Yep I'll either use the glass cups,go buy some half pint jars or inject in the bag. I don't know what I'm going to do yet.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22377005 - 10/14/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I filled up two glasses of brown rice and virmiculite that I got from the grow bag,put aluminum foil on top and I injected on the side of the cups. They both got cobweb and moldy so I threw them away. All I have left are those 12 jars. Only four out of 12 of the jars are growing Myclium. I thought at least six or seven would have took off. Do you think I should just wait it out and see if the other ones do anything? During the day its between 72-79 degress and at night and in the morning its cooler. Right now its only 69 degress in my house which is too cold for the jars. So I have heater on in my room in hopes of raising the temp.  I lost my camera so I cant take any pics right now,


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22377096 - 10/14/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I filled up two glasses of brown rice and virmiculite that I got from the grow bag,put aluminum foil on top and I injected on the side of the cups. They both got cobweb and moldy so I threw them away. All I have left are those 12 jars. Only four out of 12 of the jars are growing Myclium. I thought at least six or seven would have took off. Do you think I should just wait it out and see if the other ones do anything? During the day its between 72-79 degress and at night and in the morning its cooler. Right now its only 69 degress in my house which is too cold for the jars. So I have heater on in my room in hopes of raising the temp.  I lost my camera so I cant take any pics right now,





So you put pre-sterilized brf/verm in a glass cup? and just injected it with the spores?
Did you use a SaB ?
Was the glasses at least sanitized as well?
Why did you put foil on top, was that the only way to seal the glass?
Was there holes for GE or dry layer a verm to keep baddies away?
Why didn't you just inject the grow bag?..
The jars have foil on them too now?
Make sure they can breathe. Leave the holes exposed so they can.

Post pics too, other experienced people can spot things instantly.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22377126 - 10/14/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I put the pre sanatize substrate in sanatized cups and put aluminum foil on top. The foil was the only way to seal the tops. I didnt put dry verm on top of the cakes.A few days later they got cobweb and there was orange and red contaminated spots on the cakes. I should have injected in bag. I left the holes on the jars exposed so they should be getting enough air. Im not stressing or anything because I at least have 4 jars that are colonizing. I just hope the other 8 start colonizing too. The next time I grow i'm just going to say fuck it and buy a pressure cooker and start casing. I cant post pics until I buy another camera.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22377168 - 10/14/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I put the pre sanatize substrate in sanatized cups and put aluminum foil on top. The foil was the only way to seal the tops. I didnt put dry verm on top of the cakes.A few days later they got cobweb and there was orange and red contaminated spots on the cakes. I should have injected in bag. I left the holes on the jars exposed so they should be getting enough air. Im not stressing or anything because I at least have 4 jars that are colonizing. I just hope the other 8 start colonizing too. The next time I grow i'm just going to say fuck it and buy a pressure cooker and start casing. I cant post pics until I buy another camera.




But the thing is they may colonize and contam later. I had brf jars start colonizing but then slowly but surely trich started appearing and took over the jar. How did you inject the jars.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22377210 - 10/14/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't have any rubbing alcohol so I put a little alcoholic type hand sanatizer on the syringes and I flamed the tips on the needles and injected. I did this everytime I injected a new jar. The jars that are colonizing look good so far.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22377300 - 10/14/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't have any rubbing alcohol so I put a little alcoholic type hand sanatizer on the syringes and I flamed the tips on the needles and injected. I did this everytime I injected a new jar. The jars that are colonizing look good so far.




I think ya did it backwards. Flame sterlize then wipe of any residue with alcohol if you didn't use one of those fancy alcohol flames.

But we shall see post pics keep us posted.
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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22377310 - 10/14/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't have any rubbing alcohol so I put a little alcoholic type hand sanatizer on the syringes and I flamed the tips on the needles and injected. I did this everytime I injected a new jar. The jars that are colonizing look good so far.




I think ya did it backwards. Flame sterlize then wipe of any residue with alcohol if you didn't use one of those fancy alcohol flames.

But we shall see post pics keep us posted.
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Never wipe flame sterilized tools/syringes with alcohol. Flames sterilize alcohol sanitizes. Alcohol is not needed for tools that get flamed, save the iso for your gloves. Also a little soot won't hurt anything, just leave it.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22377331 - 10/14/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't have any rubbing alcohol so I put a little alcoholic type hand sanatizer on the syringes and I flamed the tips on the needles and injected. I did this everytime I injected a new jar. The jars that are colonizing look good so far.




I think ya did it backwards. Flame sterlize then wipe of any residue with alcohol if you didn't use one of those fancy alcohol flames.

But we shall see post pics keep us posted.
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Never wipe flame sterilized tools/syringes with alcohol. Flames sterilize alcohol sanitizes. Alcohol is not needed for tools that get flamed, save the iso for your gloves. Also a little soot won't hurt anything, just leave it.




Even if you use a regular lighter on a needle that leaves the black stuff interesting. I read a tek that said wipe it.


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    #22377336 - 10/14/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ignore that tek.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22377404 - 10/14/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ill try to show you my currrent growth later. Now 5 of the jars instead of 4 are growing myclium. If I cant find my canon camera then i'll have to use a phone camera.


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Ill try to show you my currrent growth later. Now 5 of the jars instead of 4 are growing myclium. If I cant find my canon camera then i'll have to use a phone camera.




Get a few angles , phone cameras are better this day and age unless yours flips to open.

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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22377541 - 10/14/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

start here , http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17046205/gonew/1#UNREAD , pick a tek that uses BRF and follow it from the growth stage your at.


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    #22377550 - 10/14/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

go to page one of getting started.....


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: KNOTHEAR]
    #22378104 - 10/14/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

These are my 5 jars that are currently colonizing. They look thicker,whiter and more spread out in person.

























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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22378180 - 10/14/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't have any rubbing alcohol so I put a little alcoholic type hand sanatizer on the syringes and I flamed the tips on the needles and injected. I did this everytime I injected a new jar. The jars that are colonizing look good so far.




I think ya did it backwards. Flame sterlize then wipe of any residue with alcohol if you didn't use one of those fancy alcohol flames.

But we shall see post pics keep us posted.
:popcorn:




Never wipe flame sterilized tools/syringes with alcohol. Flames sterilize alcohol sanitizes. Alcohol is not needed for tools that get flamed, save the iso for your gloves. Also a little soot won't hurt anything, just leave it.




:whathesaid: i have a bad habit of getting it too hot and melting the syringe. im terrible. :lol:
so i just use presterilized needles in my SAB. works well for me. :shrug: :2cents:


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    #22378330 - 10/14/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is that all white or is it colored. Bit blurry. Didn't mean for you to tilt the jars to take the pics lol. Disturbing the dry verm layer.


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    #22378594 - 10/14/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thats all white. Myclium is growing on the sides of some my jars but on some of my other jars Myclium is mostly growing at the bottom.


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    #22397056 - 10/18/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22442834 - 10/28/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

12 out of 14 of my jars contaminated. It was mostly cobweb and blue green and black mold. I don't know what happened. Maybe I got some bad syringes. Who knows? I have two jars left that are colonizing. I'm hoping they dont contaminate. One jar is 20-30% colonized and the other one is 75-80% colonized. That jar should be done in a week or two if it doesn't contaminate. Before most of my jars contaminated I was thinking about casing them. The other jar is going to take awhile so I don't think its worth casing if I only have one finished 1\4th pint cake. I'm also not sure if I want to case because I don't want to risk one of my only cakes contaminating under the casing. Do you think its worth it? I was thinking dunking and rolling would be a better idea. I've never dunked and rolled before. What do you do with the cake after you dunk it? Do you litteraly just roll it in the vermiculite or do you grab the vermiculite and put it all over the cake? Does the dry vermiculite stick to the cake just like that or are you suppose to put moist vermiculite on it? If it fruits i'm not even sure if i'll even have enough to trip. Hmm.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22442872 - 10/28/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dunking then rolling essentially is casing, but for cakes... roll the wet cakes in dry verm...set em up in your sgfc, let them dry for 20 minutes or whatever so the Verm doesn't get washed off when you mist.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22485624 - 11/06/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My other jar cotaminated. Now i'm just down to one. That jar started pinning a week ago. My jar wasn't even fully colonized. It still isn't. I think the daylight light and the light from my lightbulb made it pin. I have 5 good sized mushrooms that are growing in my jars invitro. I have other pins. Some stopped growing and others are growing slowly. One of my shrooms's veil's have broken. What should I do? Should I open up my jar and harvest it or wait a day or two so the other shrooms can grow more? When I do open the jars i'm worried that the top could be contaminated. I don't think it is though. If it was then I would think it would have spread and I would have seen it by now. After I harvest them can I dunk and roll the cake even though its not done colonizing? I mean the cake already fruited and everything. I think the jar might have stalled after it started pinning.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22487869 - 11/06/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It didn't pin because of light.  It pinned because it ran into the contamination.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Sivarted]
    #22487872 - 11/06/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It didn't pin because of light.  It pinned because it ran into the contamination.



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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22488939 - 11/07/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well you fucked up because you used the words epic and hopefully together.
The word epic should be reserved for something, well, epic. No cool man


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: azur]
    #22517990 - 11/13/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This grow sucked. It defiantly wasn't epic. Maybe my next grow will be more successful. Here's my 2nd flush off of that one cake. What do think the dry weight is? Guess. I don't have a scale. I'm going to buy one soon though. 






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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: azur]
    #22517992 - 11/13/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This grow sucked. It defiantly wasn't epic. Maybe my next grow will be more successful. Here's my 2nd flush off of that one cake. What do think the dry weight is? Guess. I don't have a scale. I'm going to buy one soon though.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: jtv56]
    #22518029 - 11/13/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Keep trying man following some teks. Look at my grow log if you need some overall process guide.

I haven't had a failure yet. Only used SAB and pressure cooker. Standard boil , pc, and flame sterlize. Some lysol and wiping etc.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22518237 - 11/13/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

enough for an epic journey


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22518266 - 11/13/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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enough for an epic journey




I'd say 2gs max dry, what's with the gold flakes ?


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22518457 - 11/13/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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enough for an epic journey




I'd say 2gs max dry, what's with the gold flakes ?




Gold flakes :lmafo:


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22518514 - 11/13/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"Dude thats where the magic is."

Quote from my first encounter at 16.


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22518537 - 11/13/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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enough for an epic journey




I'd say 2gs max dry, what's with the gold flakes ?




Gold flakes :lmafo:



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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22518597 - 11/13/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lmao it's the fucking verm ain't it


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Re: An epic grow (hopefully) [Re: GreenHornThumb]
    #22518945 - 11/13/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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