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#22325901 - 10/02/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey all! Spawning a bunch of tubs this weekend so I figured Id write up how I personally like to do it. I go as simple as possible when managing a bunch of tubs at once like this.

This is the spawn Im using, 5quart spawn bags all from the same culture.

I will be making substrate for 5 tubs at a time. I start off by putting 4 bricks of coir in a tote, with an 8qt bag of vermiculite and a handfull of gypsum for each brick. I pour in 3.5-4 qts boiling water per brick of coir.
Hamloaf does his coir in a pretty similar fashion, he wrote up a great tek on it the other day Ill try to remember to add a link to it!
I like lots of straw in my coir. I start by chopping up the straw into 1-3 inch pieces, the smaller the better. I filled a 5 gal bucket with dry chopped straw, should be enough for about 25 percent straw per tub.

Next I add a little dishsoap (enough for a sink of dishes) and fill the bucket with water. I let it soak a few hours.

After the soak, I drain the straw. I put a big pot of water on the stove, enough to fill the bucket, and heat it to 175-180 F.
This is to pasturize the straw, it needs to sit at between 170-140F for 1 hour. I pour the water in and cap the bucket. In about a half hour I check the temp, if its sinking below 140 I add more water at temp but I almost never need to, it usually finishes up about 150F at the 1 hour point. I then drain the straw.
While my straw is pasturizing, I washed out my tubs with soap and water and lined the tubs... I use 3 mil clear plastic dropcloth. Its about 5 bucks a roll from the paint section of a hardware store, it lines plenty of tubs and is the best liner Ive found so far. I tape up the holes in the tubs with duct tape or packing tape.


Next I mix my pasturized straw into my tote of coir. I mix it up really well and then divide it into 5... this mix made enough substrate for about 10-11 quarts per tub.

Next I add in my spawn and mix up my tubs thoroughly, I try to get the top as level as I can.
I only did 4 tubs today, Im doing 16 tubs so Im just spawing 4 at a time.
I have to hit the store up to get more vericulite, Im gunna mix up a bucket of straight coir to put a thin layer of coir/verm as a thin top layer on the tubs just to keep any straw from sticking up.
I will update when I have all the tubs spawned and once theyve been fruited!
Edited by mushpunx (10/03/15 10:06 AM)
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22325972 - 10/02/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice. Is this your usual amount you run? Can't wait to see the canopies.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: Big Bear]
#22325996 - 10/02/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where do you get your straw? I bought some straw online but I don't think it was the right kind. It's by Simply Design and I think it's craft straw. Is there a difference?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: jbaby007] 1
#22326055 - 10/02/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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those spawn bags seem to save alot of work do you follow a specific tek for your spawn bags? im getting sick of washing jars...lol and is it the reflection off your walls making those spawnbags appear a little green?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: tetherface]
#22326337 - 10/02/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This straw I think came from Michaels or something, like six bux a bale.. pricey haha But I usually get a few big bales this time of year from the sticks and they last most of the year
Its the reflection giving the bags a weird tint.
For the spawn bags I prep my rye the same as for jars, I didn't really follow a tek but I did learn to pack the PC and how to fold the t yvek sleeves into the bags proper by watching RR letsgrowmushrooms sawdust and sawdust inoculation section.. it shows how to use spawn bags
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22326357 - 10/02/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think im gonna give spawn bags another shot last time i had a 50% success rate but was trying to G2G xl spawn bags in a 58qt GB so it was real hard to get clean movements... maybe ill try and inoculate with an LC or some 9er tek mycelli water to alleviate that problem.... do you know which vendor has the best prices on bags?and what size are those pictured? thanks bro great grow
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: tetherface]
#22326440 - 10/02/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love the thread name. Its catchy. I'm gonna try straw soon. Is this good to use maybe? Idk what kinda straw it is but its cheap as dirt
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: vagblast]
#22326638 - 10/03/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Going to give this tek a try for the PE and Puerto Rican mono's I have planned for this weekend. Only used straw for edibles before. Keen to see the results.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: Jeff Vader]
#22326671 - 10/03/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the dish soap... I just bought a bale of straw...
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: LocN9ne]
#22326908 - 10/03/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it is a surfactant, and will help get rid of the waxy coating on the straw for shorter soaks, allowing it to absorb more moisture.
nice mush punk!! let the good times roll!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22327005 - 10/03/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushpunx said:

straw, jeans, chucks raaawr 
are there wayfarers too?

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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: saralove]
#22327234 - 10/03/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doesn't soap kill bacteria? Would that harm the amount of good bacteria left over from pasteurization?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: saralove]
#22327379 - 10/03/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I had to Google "wayfarers" to make sure I wasn't wearing any and.... rats.
Hahaha you rule <3
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TrichFarmer said: Doesn't soap kill bacteria? Would that harm the amount of good bacteria left over from pasteurization?
Nah the soap dissipates and you won't even know you used the soap once all is said and done. BL is absolutely correct over what benefits the addition of dish soap brings to the rinsing/soaking cycle with straw. Another way to put it is that the dish soap acts as a "wetting agent".
Nice write up, mushypunx. Correct. You and I do coir in a very similar (almost identical) way.
You know, I have listened to punk rock for over 25 years. For the first 2 decades I was one of those punks that only knew punk as a way of life and music style, haha. I used to use wheat straw too (about 4 years ago) in my cube subs. Straw is pretty sick, but have since simplified my bulk sub prep by ditching the wheat straw for a 50/50 manure/coir substrate with the addition of vermiculite and gypsum.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22327434 - 10/03/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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BL is spot on about the dish soap, without it sometimes the straw will feel dry in places after a soak. It really makes a difference. Some people soak overnight and that's probably better but I've never had a problem letting it soak like maybe 2-6 hours.
I dunno about its effect on bacteria though
I do know people also add lime but I cant remember why.
Edit: hah Ham beat me to it
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22327461 - 10/03/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lime is added to spike the PH of the pasteurization bath and straw. A basic environment thwarts the growth of competitor molds and bacteria. At the same time the mushroom mycelium will have little to no problem ripping through a basic substrate. Don't skimp on the lime.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: hamloaf]
#22327517 - 10/03/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Up the mushroom punx!!!
Horse poo rules and I would totally use it in my sub. But my license is suspended still and I live in the inner city. A little ways to get to any horse farms. I did locate one that's unusually close by, Im trying to work up my nerve to go knocking before winter and stock up!
I think CVG / Straw is the next best thing, especially if you have to fill a lot of tubs at once its pretty manageable. I think straw intimidates new c ultivators because they have to pasturize but it really is just as easy as fixing up coir
How much lime do you add Ham? I gotta buy a bag for my casing mix per these tubs anyways I should start adding it in the straw again then!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22327530 - 10/03/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed. The non-addition of lime is not a deal breaker, but it never hurts to put a punishing on invaders when ever possible. Just 1 cup of lime is added per ten gallons of water.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: hamloaf]
#22327541 - 10/03/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice mushpunx.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: vagblast]
#22327618 - 10/03/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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vagblast said: I love the thread name. Its catchy. I'm gonna try straw soon. Is this good to use maybe? Idk what kinda straw it is but its cheap as dirt

Yea man those bales are fine! I see the decorative bales of straw all over the place this time of year and I think its great for people who don't live in the country. Sometimes they can be pricey but I see them around for five or six bucks. If you don't do tons of tubs it will last a while
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22327652 - 10/03/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Straw is a pretty cool thing to add to a bulk sub or even to use as a sub. Cheap as hell too, I get a 50# bale for $5.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22327840 - 10/03/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just dont buy timothy hay.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: eatyualive]
#22327857 - 10/03/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Just dont buy timothy hay.
QFT. Only made that mistake once.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22328011 - 10/03/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Timothy hay is what my rabbit eats
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22330053 - 10/03/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol hell yeah gonna go buy two bales right now! And find some poooooooooooppooooo!!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: vagblast]
#22330322 - 10/03/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love you guys and all your knowledge I feel ballsy enough to use straw in my next tub. The straw I have has been sitting in my cabinet for months now lol. I'll be getting some poo and lime too. I'm so excited to try new things
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: jbaby007]
#22330359 - 10/03/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omg dudes new things!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!! Im experimenting with home made poly batting sfds atm!! Cant wait to fruit with these bad boys!!!

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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: vagblast]
#22333638 - 10/04/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesomeness of efficiency and productivity! Again ..only bc they were free and on hand now...what r yourthoughts on me using popcorn instead of rye, peat instead of coir?? Go for it and see what happens or absolutely not? Thanks man
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22333849 - 10/04/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sporerook said: Awesomeness of efficiency and productivity! Again ..only bc they were free and on hand now...what r yourthoughts on me using popcorn instead of rye, peat instead of coir?? Go for it and see what happens or absolutely not? Thanks man
I've never really used popcorn past a little experimentation so I cant really speak for it. I hear some people say it makes fine spawn and others say its a poor choice.
I wouldn't use peat in a bulk substrate, as far as I know its only u sefull as a casing and you need to add a little lime to it, and pasturize it.
If you cant get coir but can get straw, you can prep the straw like I showed and do the whole sub as straw, and put a peat casing layer on top 
100% straw is great, I just add it to coir to stretch it
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22333866 - 10/04/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I prepped sub for another 5 tubs today, decided to up the straw content so I did 2.5 5gal buckets of chopped straw into my coir over the 1 bucket
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22336186 - 10/05/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now were talking! I ran out of vermiculite so I just upped the straw content. This is 60/40 straw and coir
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22336291 - 10/05/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell yea! Mush punx holdin it down
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Hahaha yea man been killing myself too man too much work for all at once but all my spawn finished up at the same time got carried away didnt stagger production enough
Im half done!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22336828 - 10/05/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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U guys should be straw motivational speakers! Be like the Tony Robbins of straw tek lol! Got me pumped over here!! However , just got back from the store and no coir. Got some 3 mil plastic and other little things. Funds are bit short now right this minute to order a brick or 2 online but it is not expensive and will do so soon! I think I'll just do a lil mini tub for the experience..just dip my toes in a bit haha! Go with straw/verm and use my popcorn spawn at least this once and see what I think. then hopefully just enough verm left on hand to use as simple casing. Even if absolutely nothing happens, does this at least sound like busy work with at least 2% chance of learning something useful?? Thanks again yall keep the motivational shit comin!!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22338051 - 10/05/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha
If you can get peat, verm and hydrated lime you can just do straight straw without coir and put a casing layer on top made of peat
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22339365 - 10/06/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushpunx I sent u a big ole long msg today describing my experience, set up, reason for sounding like lazy noob and hit something that wasn't send...the agony was intense and the loss of time shall never recouped lol! I'll get a msg retyped and sent your way so i can get your thoughts..thanks again Mr. Robbins haha
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22340385 - 10/06/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok sooo. I bought some straw. I have some coir verm and gypsum. What to do? Straight staw? Straw and coir? What do yall think? Do i need to case straw?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22342597 - 10/06/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ball is a rollin mushpunx! got my 5 gal bucket of straw soaking w/soap. popcorn is bout ready and got enough verm to make use of. Think it's ok to use some stubborn pf cakes I have that are fully colonized but just won't fruit in my spawn? (think my temp and humidity are not optimal is why but ??)
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22342816 - 10/06/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Ok sooo. I bought some straw. I have some coir verm and gypsum. What to do? Straight staw? Straw and coir? What do yall think? Do i need to case straw?
Do whatever you like man! Just pasturize ur straw proper and use very clean spawn If you use straight straw in ur tubs yea use a casing well pseudo casing, I like to put a coir/verm layer on top of the straw at the time I spawn it. Dunno if you call that a proper casing.
I like to do my coir and straw seperate and mix together 50/50, with a thin top layer of coir/verm its jusr preference, I love straight straw tubs too tho!
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
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First tubs are getting fully colonized , this is a fast colonizer. I fully expect it to take forever to pin though 
Please please please don't trich out I can't take anymore green
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22355933 - 10/09/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dudee, there's a blade of grass in there.
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: Dudee, there's a blade of grass in there. 
Yea don't you love that! must have been in the coir, or maybe the straw?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22359714 - 10/10/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty cool.
How do those zip ties work out?
I've been gone for a while so I dunno if this is standard now. I use a sealer, but that would have been super cool to know before I got one.
Looks like it gives a very nice air space at the top, do they seal well?
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22360725 - 10/10/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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probably the straw. although ive had some strange things in coir. hell my oats have all kinds of surprises as well. but nothing tops a dried maraschino cherry in wbs.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22361043 - 10/10/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea the zip ties are great! You have to kinda fold the top up and then twist before you put the zip tie on. you can actually get a little more plenum in the bag with the sealer but its not that big of a difference.
I have an impulse sealer too, it sticks sometimes doesn't always click on so I use the ties sometimes too
I think the ties are a little easier though, both are great IME
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: mushpunx]
#22361339 - 10/10/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: Yea the zip ties are great! You have to kinda fold the top up and then twist before you put the zip tie on. you can actually get a little more plenum in the bag with the sealer but its not that big of a difference.
I have an impulse sealer too, it sticks sometimes doesn't always click on so I use the ties sometimes too
I think the ties are a little easier though, both are great IME
I agree with the ties. I started using them and I haven't touched my impulse sealer since. then again, I also do G2G my bags in a SAB, so it's hard to use an impulse sealer in there regardless.
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Very cool, I'm gonna get some.
The sealer works well most of the time but defiantly irritates me, I get it to hot sometimes, or I have to wait for it to heat up between bags, etc.
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22409058 - 10/20/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey mushpunx how do I fold up the spawn bags as neatly as that? I have 3.5 mil plastic as well. Thanks man
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Re: Mushpunx spawn along [Re: sporerook]
#22409974 - 10/20/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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quote]sporerook said: hey mushpunx how do I fold up the spawn bags as neatly as that? I have 3.5 mil plastic as well. Thanks man
The 3.5 mil plastic was referring to the drop cloth that I use as a liner in my tubs.
Are you talking about how to line the tubs neatly or did you mean how to fold tyvek into spawn bags before PC cycle like this photo
I fill the spawn bag and then line up the folded gussets and flatten the bag out. I then drop the tyvek sleeve down in between the g ussets, and fold the bag over itself accordian style.
Its easier to watch, download the letsgrowmushrooms videos by RR and watch the chapter that deals with spawn bags, I think its sawdust chapter
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