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Why did the early universe expand?
    #22324902 - 10/02/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.

My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.

I am not trying to not-so-subtly argue a creationist position here. I am sure someone out there- probably Koods- has an answer. But I can't find one online. Just more descriptions of what happened, but not any explanations of why it happened.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22324924 - 10/02/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think anyone knows, but i believe there was no cause in the first place because time didnt exist.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22324927 - 10/02/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because it decided to get ready in the event that your mama came to be

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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22324936 - 10/02/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have a theory, and its that black holes are expanding our universe.  They say black holes might take you somewhere else and everyone always assumes its to another universe or some shit, but maybe each galaxy grows, and then ones its big enough the black hole grows and then the exit is newly created space, the black hole feeds that new space with matter to create stars and planets, then it grows until it shoots out another black hole to create more space somewhere.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22324948 - 10/02/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's just what energy does yo.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22324964 - 10/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, supposedly it was an explosion. So it expanded. Sort of like a super nova, but on a larger scale. The big bang seems highly unlikely though. I mean how could everything spring from nothing? Wouldn't that violate conservation of mass and energy?


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22324988 - 10/02/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's not what the theory states - the theory states that it is the first known event in da universe not the origin of all matter/energy


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22324989 - 10/02/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.

My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.

I am not trying to not-so-subtly argue a creationist position here. I am sure someone out there- probably Koods- has an answer. But I can't find one online. Just more descriptions of what happened, but not any explanations of why it happened.




But seriously.

The universe expanded because it could. It exploded into emptiness. Just like anything else, when you have space to grow, you expand. But the thing about expanding in emptiness is that you are infinite. You never run out of space.... Then again an infinite entity doesn't even require outside space to expand because by being infinite, it can simply expand within itself endlessly. Just like the fact that you only have to count to 1 and you are already faced with infinity...  0.01, 0.001, 0.001, etc. It can expand within the bounds of one value and constantly add a digit to fulfill its need for constant new space to expand into.

Based on what I've read from the physics, life, is that only those who seek to expand survive. therefore the university has to expand endlessly until the matter within it achieves total balance; at which point, there will be no more chemical reactions happening, which pretty much means that you will have unending expanses of several light years populated by a single atom forever becoming further apart from all other atoms.... The end of everything that could be...

So yeah... Thats why it expanded.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325001 - 10/02/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325003 - 10/02/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.
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Thats because it would have to occur inside the universe, which is obviously impossible. I think a good anology is the universe being like a ballon being blown up, with the outside walls of the balloon being the part that expanded. We are inside of the balloon. We are in finite space, the universe is expanding into infinite space.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325008 - 10/02/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.

My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.

I am not trying to not-so-subtly argue a creationist position here. I am sure someone out there- probably Koods- has an answer. But I can't find one online. Just more descriptions of what happened, but not any explanations of why it happened.




But seriously.

The universe expanded because it could. It exploded into emptiness. Just like anything else, when you have space to grow, you expand. But the thing about expanding in emptiness is that you are infinite. You never run out of space.... Then again an infinite entity doesn't even require outside space to expand because by being infinite, it can simply expand within itself endlessly. Just like the fact that you only have to count to 1 and you are already faced with infinity...  0.01, 0.001, 0.001, etc. It can expand within the bounds of one value and constantly add a digit to fulfill its need for constant new space to expand into.

Based on what I've read from the physics, life, is that only those who seek to expand survive. therefore the university has to expand endlessly until the matter within it achieves total balance; at which point, there will be no more chemical reactions happening, which pretty much means that you will have unending expanses of several light years populated by a single atom forever becoming further apart from all other atoms.... The end of everything that could be...

So yeah... Thats why it expanded.




Awesome response! The heat death of the universe, iirc.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325015 - 10/02/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The universe doesn't expand in the sense that there is more space than before. Space itself is expanding.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22325031 - 10/02/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Just like anything else, when you have space to grow, you expand.


Are you claiming that space existed OUTSIDE of the singularity BEFORE it expanded? I thought that spacetime was a function of the expanding singularity itself.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: koods]
    #22325036 - 10/02/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The universe doesn't expand in the sense that there is more space than before. Space itself is expanding.



This is what I have read, but that doesn't explain away the question. The question is WHY is that happening?


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325040 - 10/02/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I blame cheetoes and the universe being lazy


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22325041 - 10/02/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Shh, don't ask why.  Just let it happen.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325043 - 10/02/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

People are so used to cause and effect they have a hard time accepting that, possibly, the big bang had no cause.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325054 - 10/02/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And if you think that way, you have to ask why the initial singularity even existed in the first place?


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325077 - 10/02/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22325087 - 10/02/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lolwut:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325097 - 10/02/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Funny how you go :lolwut: at Banapple Gas and not at "According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 of a second involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly."


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325098 - 10/02/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The big bang theory is bullshit

There is no universe,

It's all made it up fairy tales, like science.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Asante]
    #22325103 - 10/02/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

subatomic particles stood dispersing forever into a giant adenoid that God coagulated and we're still being coughed up exponentially.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325107 - 10/02/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Just like anything else, when you have space to grow, you expand.


Are you claiming that space existed OUTSIDE of the singularity BEFORE it expanded? I thought that spacetime was a function of the expanding singularity itself.





I don't know what happened before the singularity. All I know it that the universe is behaving in a manner  that constantly needs to expand in order to stay balanced. Therefore the energy created by the galaxies need more and more space to continue moving vaste amounts of energy through space


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325117 - 10/02/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Funny how you go :lolwut: at Banapple Gas and not at "According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly."




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According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.




:lolwut:

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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325125 - 10/02/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It gave me 10-34 of a second of happiness :awesomenod:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Asante]
    #22325132 - 10/02/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325149 - 10/02/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know what happened before the singularity.




That's just it, u don't know anything, u just think u know these things, but the truth is u don't.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: zZZz]
    #22325156 - 10/02/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Im still curious as to why the singularity existed in the first place...


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325169 - 10/02/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Something the weight of the universe is condensed to a size smaller than a grain of sand, smack in the middle of a schwartzschild radius several lightyears across.. And in the minutest fraction of a second, an amount so little that it arguably amounts to nothing, it belches out lightyears beyond that in all directions.

How many 10-34 of a second increments are there in a YEAR? In that blip of time a whole universe moved lightYEARS? Try to make a number of that, for instance in km/sec, how fast that was.

Thats how fast science needs to go nowadays to pull a quicky.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: zZZz]
    #22325176 - 10/02/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I don't know what happened before the singularity.




That's just it, u don't know anything, u just think u know these things, but the truth is u don't.




I am fully aware that I should know better than the top minds of this world.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: zZZz]
    #22325179 - 10/02/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

its like when cells start to divide and multiply. in comparison to the first amount of material, the relative size of stuff to non stuff is massively different until it reaches a saturation point of stuff to stuff that is viewed from a larger point of stuff creation.


or like when you bust a nut, the jizz starts out super fast then is slowed down my gravity and air friction and whatever, like a sneeze. so the universe got big enough that the other physics around our physics became a barrier slowing it down?


or maybe after the universe started to get to a cetian size, it developed black holes that started a reverse expansion, so like playing a losing game of tug of war?


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325183 - 10/02/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you think about it, something HAD to exist without a cause, unless there were an infinite number of cause and effect events leading up to the creation of the singularity and the big bang...

But would it even be possible to have an infinite chain of cause and effect events, without having a cause to the first cause and effect event?

And if not, again, something would have to had existed without a cause, which is supposedly impossible.  Its a headache to think about honestly, and i already feel like I'm on a meaningless rant :lol:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Patlal]
    #22325192 - 10/02/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

U should know better, but u don't.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Salomon]
    #22325197 - 10/02/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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or like when you bust a nut, the jizz starts out super fast then is slowed down my gravity and air friction and whatever, like a sneeze. so the universe got big enough that the other physics around our physics became a barrier slowing it down?





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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Salomon]
    #22325204 - 10/02/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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or like when you bust a nut, the jizz starts out super fast then is slowed down my gravity and air friction and whatever



Nah, my jizz just kinda drools out of the tip of my dick.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22325222 - 10/02/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i could nut on your face from 5 feet away:ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325247 - 10/02/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.




what is the size of a singularity if you double it? :V

Also, who is to say the speed of light has remained constant throughout history?

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My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.




It is still expanding, at the speed of light.

This is apparent in the Hubble Effect.

I have read that it is probably increasing in speed, too.

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I am not trying to not-so-subtly argue a creationist position here. I am sure someone out there- probably Koods- has an answer. But I can't find one online. Just more descriptions of what happened, but not any explanations of why it happened.




Nobody really knows what happened, except that it must have been a lot hotter with much faster particles back then. Scientists haven't even proven the Big Bang theory yet (though it is virtually uniersally accepted). Nobody knows the specifics aside from theoretical math equations based on what we can see really far away (since that light is really old, so by the time it hits us we are actually seeing what happened in the early part of the universe).


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Salomon]
    #22325263 - 10/02/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i could nut on your face from 5 feet away:ifyoucanawe:




Is that an offer? :eyebrow:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: xbloodwhipx] * 2
    #22325290 - 10/02/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Im still curious as to why the singularity existed in the first place...




Some silly planet was trying to determine the mass of the Higgs-Boson particle, unintentionally creating a black hole which ended up collapsing the planet into the size of a pea. This black hole eventually migrated toward the center of the galaxy where there were a bunch of other black holes, sucking all the mass of the galaxy slowly into it creating another, much bigger black hole. This had so much mass that it started moving other galaxies tword it, swllowing them up getting larger and larger and this continued its course until the entire universe was one black hole, creating a singularity that would later case the Big Bang :V


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: micro]
    #22325339 - 10/02/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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xbloodwhipx said:
Im still curious as to why the singularity existed in the first place...




Some silly planet was trying to determine the mass of the Higgs-Boson particle, unintentionally creating a black hole which ended up collapsing the planet into the size of a pea. This black hole eventually migrated toward the center of the galaxy where there were a bunch of other black holes, sucking all the mass of the galaxy slowly into it creating another, much bigger black hole. This had so much mass that it started moving other galaxies tword it, swllowing them up getting larger and larger and this continued its course until the entire universe was one black hole, creating a singularity that would later case the Big Bang :V



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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325600 - 10/02/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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According to the big bang theory, the first 10-34 involved the universe doubling in size 90 times- expanding faster than the speed of light- at which point it began expanding more slowly.

My question is- why did the universe expand in the first place? There don't appear to be any other instances of this happening.

I am not trying to not-so-subtly argue a creationist position here. I am sure someone out there- probably Koods- has an answer. But I can't find one online. Just more descriptions of what happened, but not any explanations of why it happened.



i think the reason it's difficult to pinpoint the cause of the big bang is because of our limited concept of time/space.

every century or so our current model time/space becomes completely flipped upside-down.

I wouldn't say that science is wrong, rather just incomplete. very incomplete when looking at problems of this magnitude.

it could be freakin anything, really. god, tmckenna's "great attracter at the end of time", the other side of a black hole from another universe, some scientists in a lab experimenting with a LHC in another universe. who knows dude. maybe the universe was created at the end of time and goes backwards and shrinks into a singularity, and we actually just experience time going in the opposite direction like how a mirror would reflect a mirror image in its reverse direction.

who fucking knows, dude


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325666 - 10/02/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22325969 - 10/02/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yep i looked it up and the word "causality" is indeed a philosophical term. So is the law of cause & effect.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Envix]
    #22325979 - 10/02/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."
- Herman Melville, author of Moby-Dick



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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Envix]
    #22325983 - 10/02/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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yep i looked it up and the word "causality" is indeed a philosophical term. So is the law of cause & effect.




Hume, an old scottish philosopher, has some interesting points on the validity and nature of causality.  I like those thoughts and generally think causality is a useless concept in many cases.

One of my least favorite phrases is "Correlation is not causation".  Well if correlation is not causation then what is?  Because correlation is the best we got.  When we purport causation its because the correlation is high.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: morrowasted]
    #22325995 - 10/02/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i thought there was something recently that hinted that the universe has always existed?

oh here it is

http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

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(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

The widely accepted age of the universe, as estimated by general relativity, is 13.8 billion years. In the beginning, everything in existence is thought to have occupied a single infinitely dense point, or singularity. Only after this point began to expand in a "Big Bang" did the universe officially begin.

Although the Big Bang singularity arises directly and unavoidably from the mathematics of general relativity, some scientists see it as problematic because the math can explain only what happened immediately after—not at or before—the singularity.

"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.

Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.

Old ideas revisited

The physicists emphasize that their quantum correction terms are not applied ad hoc in an attempt to specifically eliminate the Big Bang singularity. Their work is based on ideas by the theoretical physicist David Bohm, who is also known for his contributions to the philosophy of physics. Starting in the 1950s, Bohm explored replacing classical geodesics (the shortest path between two points on a curved surface) with quantum trajectories.

In their paper, Ali and Das applied these Bohmian trajectories to an equation developed in the 1950s by physicist Amal Kumar Raychaudhuri at Presidency University in Kolkata, India. Raychaudhuri was also Das's teacher when he was an undergraduate student of that institution in the '90s.

Using the quantum-corrected Raychaudhuri equation, Ali and Das derived quantum-corrected Friedmann equations, which describe the expansion and evolution of universe (including the Big Bang) within the context of general relativity. Although it's not a true theory of quantum gravity, the model does contain elements from both quantum theory and general relativity. Ali and Das also expect their results to hold even if and when a full theory of quantum gravity is formulated.

No singularities nor dark stuff

In addition to not predicting a Big Bang singularity, the new model does not predict a "big crunch" singularity, either. In general relativity, one possible fate of the universe is that it starts to shrink until it collapses in on itself in a big crunch and becomes an infinitely dense point once again.

Ali and Das explain in their paper that their model avoids singularities because of a key difference between classical geodesics and Bohmian trajectories. Classical geodesics eventually cross each other, and the points at which they converge are singularities. In contrast, Bohmian trajectories never cross each other, so singularities do not appear in the equations.

In cosmological terms, the scientists explain that the quantum corrections can be thought of as a cosmological constant term (without the need for dark energy) and a radiation term. These terms keep the universe at a finite size, and therefore give it an infinite age. The terms also make predictions that agree closely with current observations of the cosmological constant and density of the universe.

New gravity particle

In physical terms, the model describes the universe as being filled with a quantum fluid. The scientists propose that this fluid might be composed of gravitons—hypothetical massless particles that mediate the force of gravity. If they exist, gravitons are thought to play a key role in a theory of quantum gravity.

In a related paper, Das and another collaborator, Rajat Bhaduri of McMaster University, Canada, have lent further credence to this model. They show that gravitons can form a Bose-Einstein condensate (named after Einstein and another Indian physicist, Satyendranath Bose) at temperatures that were present in the universe at all epochs.

Motivated by the model's potential to resolve the Big Bang singularity and account for dark matter and dark energy, the physicists plan to analyze their model more rigorously in the future. Their future work includes redoing their study while taking into account small inhomogeneous and anisotropic perturbations, but they do not expect small perturbations to significantly affect the results.

"It is satisfying to note that such straightforward corrections can potentially resolve so many issues at once," Das said.




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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22326009 - 10/02/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Envix said:
yep i looked it up and the word "causality" is indeed a philosophical term. So is the law of cause & effect.




Hume, an old scottish philosopher, has some interesting points on the validity and nature of causality.  I like those thoughts and generally think causality is a useless concept in many cases.

One of my least favorite phrases is "Correlation is not causation".  Well if correlation is not causation then what is?



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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22326051 - 10/02/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Huh?  I don't think that word means what you think it means. 


From google;

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de·lin·e·a·tion
diˌlinēˈāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the action of describing or portraying something precisely.
"the artist's exquisite delineation of costume and jewelry"
2.
the action of indicating the exact position of a border or boundary.
"the eventual delineation of the border between the two states"




I usually think of the second definition there when I think of the word.  I can see no way that describing something precisely or indicating an exact position is causation.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22326062 - 10/02/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no, it's correlation. not causation. any delineation could be seen as a point on a map/chart/ect. as correlations to the utmost causation; or it can be seen as any factual correlation of which it is a part of the culminated causation or event next it (the correlation next it).

could be maybe. maybe that's a stretch. :shrug:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #22326063 - 10/02/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

here's another translation of the word. i think it's originally a geographical terminology...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/delineate

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delineate ‎(third-person singular simple present delineates, present participle delineating, simple past and past participle delineated)

To sketch out, draw or trace an outline.
To depict, represent with pictures.
To describe or depict with words or gestures.
To outline or mark out.




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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: Envix]
    #22326105 - 10/02/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I vote consciousness, the nothingness became aware of itself creating the duality of the universe and then started expanding.

:yinyang:

Makes about as much sense as any other way of explaining how something can come from nothing :shrug:

Plus there is so much about consciousness we don't understand.

It's possible the lowest frequency/ vibration that permeates the universe is consciousness which our brains pick up on like an antenna.

Tesla believed something along those lines as did many other people and ancient cultures.

Just some food for thought. I would try to explain it better if I were no so :kratomtee: :stoned:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326135 - 10/02/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



:smilingpuppy: the universe brah, it's sound that started it.


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    #22326184 - 10/02/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, I was too lazy/ baked to find a good example but that is a great one. Thanks :thumbup:

I love breathing exercises, been wanting to get into chanting too and other cool stuff. Throat singing one day maybe :eek:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326251 - 10/02/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ever hear any Roomful of Teeth yet?


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    #22326269 - 10/02/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No :lol: interesting name though, is that a band or something?


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    #22326274 - 10/02/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's a vocal group. check it out!



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    #22326326 - 10/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Once I finish this Klockwerk Orange album Abracadabra I will check it out. Have you checked out Mongolia throat singing ever? Pretty crazy stuff.


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326344 - 10/02/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

never except in like Shpongle or whatever...but i'm hearing some now, it's definitely cool stuff, the original kind of music i mean.

and now this too



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    #22326484 - 10/03/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Roomful of teeth is definitely some interesting stuff.

That is some nice throat singing too :thumbup:


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    #22326493 - 10/03/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

glad you enjoyed it. :yesnod:


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    #22326567 - 10/03/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You ever hear Del Richardson? His Album Pieces of a Jigsaw is amazing, some funky blues soul fusion stuff.

The full album is not on youtube, I will have to fix that soon...


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    #22326575 - 10/03/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no i have not! sounds interesting though, maybe you can pm me a link if it's ever up!


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    #22326644 - 10/03/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I will probably upload the full album tomorrow, here is the title track of the album:


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Re: Why did the early universe expand? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22327586 - 10/03/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I like your answer, die commie.

It would seem that asking why things happen is only useful as a "final end" when we are talking about non mechanistic behavior, like human behavior. Which brings up an interesting discussion about "free will", or at least complexity.


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