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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324349 - 10/02/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)


Here's a video of a crow solving an 8 step puzzle.
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Feral populations are often descended from very small founder populations. Being as social and intelligent as they are, monk parakeets develop some cultural traditions, namely vocal dialects that differ between groups. In populations descended from a large number of birds, a range of "dialects" will exist. If the founder population is small however, a process similar to genetic drift may occur if prominent founders vocalize in an unusual "dialect", with this particular way of vocalizing becoming established in the resulting feral colony. For example, no fewer than three different "dialects" occur among the feral monk parrots of the Milford, Connecticut, metropolitan area.[



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk_parakeet#cite_note-16 From the wikipedia page...
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kinner decided to go random on his hungry pigeons. He dropped food into the box at completely random times, independent of any behavior on the part of the pigeons. But the behavior of the pigeons, he found, didn't stay random. After a few drops of the food, the pigeons began exhibiting certain consistent behavior. One circled counter-clockwise, another spun around in circles; seventy-five percent of them exhibited some kind of odd behavior.



http://io9.com/5746904/how-pigeons-get-to-be-superstitious

Do I really need to get more?


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324359 - 10/02/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah.  Those don't really support your premise.  Worms cab be trained through Skinnerism


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324361 - 10/02/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the intelligence goes something like this

humans
orca's
dolphins
birds




everything else

birds are not only capable of words, they are capable of understanding their meaning.

dogs only understand risk/reward/discipline.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324366 - 10/02/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22324369 - 10/02/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22324386 - 10/02/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

SO the monk parakeet forming dalects and cultural traditions isn't inherent of intellegence? Or the using of tools common amongst birds?

Or the solving of puzzles by a crow?

If you actually do research, you can find hundreds of studies about bird intelligence. Especially parrot intelligence. Many parrots learn to speak effectively to humans and understand human words.
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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22324387 - 10/02/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
the intelligence goes something like this

humans
orca's
dolphins
birds




everything else

birds are not only capable of words, they are capable of understanding their meaning.

dogs only understand risk/reward/discipline.




They have song for mating purposes and mimicry.  They do not have language.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324398 - 10/02/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you've ever actually seen a parrot, they make noises much more than just mating. Crows and parrots are extremely smart. Smarter than most mammals.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324417 - 10/02/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I realize they can be trained to an extent.  Their tiny little brains just cannot rival mammalian brains.  They got reptiles beat for sure but not mammals.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324425 - 10/02/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Magpies can recognize themselves in a mirror. So they can recognize themselves as an entity. Very few animals can do that, and before it was thought only smart mammals could do it(humans, elehants, dolphins) but this shows that magpies can recognize themselves. And other birds have been known to pass this test aswell(pigeons can pass this test).
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080818220557.htm

That means these birds are sentient.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324445 - 10/02/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yo everyone's talking up crows but what of ravens? As the saying goes "They're 5 steps ahead of you..."


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: twighead]
    #22324456 - 10/02/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Corvids in general are super smart.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324469 - 10/02/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I realize they can be trained to an extent.  Their tiny little brains just cannot rival mammalian brains.  They got reptiles beat for sure but not mammals.




Look up the studies on crow intelligence. Those birds have got you fleeced, zappa. They want you to think they're stupid!


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: propensity]
    #22324534 - 10/02/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i've tried explaining bird brains and mimicry to my father for he has a parrot.

it's not use, he thinks he's really talking to it. :facepalm:


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: Achillita]
    #22324602 - 10/02/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Achillita said:
Corvids in general are super smart.



They are super smart.  For a bird.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22324607 - 10/02/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i've tried explaining bird brains and mimicry to my father for he has a parrot.

it's not use, he thinks he's really talking to it. :facepalm:



Then we may have found a bird smarter than a mammal and it isn't because the bird is smart


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22324615 - 10/02/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Mimicry doesn't mean the bird doesn't understand... Parrots are extremely smart, and have things similar to languages. THey're learning and mimicking noises similarly as a baby does. As they mimic, they begin to understnad the meaning of certain sounds.

Although since they aren't the same species as us, they don't have the context to retain every single word and their meaning, many parrots learn enough words(and know how to use them) to effectively communicate to their keeper.

Parrots are sentient and self aware. Many parrots have problems with depression if they are isolated(and even sometimes when they aren't) and many self harm in these situations in something called "plucking".


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324621 - 10/02/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It would be a complete disaster if I got a bird...My cats would have that thing chewed up & pooped out in less than 2 days.


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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #22324629 - 10/02/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Achillita said:
Corvids in general are super smart.



They are super smart.  For a bird.



Smart for a bird and smart for a mammal. If you actually look into birds, they are an incredibly smart type of animals.
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It would be a complete disaster if I got a bird...My cats would have that thing chewed up & pooped out in less than 2 days.





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Re: Cockatoos are a trip! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22324630 - 10/02/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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akira_akuma said:
i've tried explaining bird brains and mimicry to my father for he has a parrot.

it's not use, he thinks he's really talking to it. :facepalm:



Then we may have found a bird smarter than a mammal and it isn't because the bird is smart


the bird is spoiled. :cookiemonster:

in that video above, with the African Grey's, my dad's would be saying shit like "sup buddy" and laughing when he launched the cat of the table...like an asshole.

those ones in the video are quiet as a mouse.


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