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musiclover420
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Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something?
#22320236 - 10/01/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I uploaded a couple albums to you tube last night, at least two of which have received copyright notifications and are blocked in Germany...
The only other upload I have that got blocked is Pink Floyd's The Endless River, which I uploaded shortly after its release. That is blocked worlwide though.

Anyways does Germany have strict copyright laws or what? I am about to file a dispute on some and add a caption to the videos stating I don't own the rights etc.
Thoughts?
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320253 - 10/01/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Their publishing company might be well known. That is usually the case when you upload music on there.
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Gorlax]
#22320272 - 10/01/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would that make it taken down in Germany only though? I can't decide if I care or not I feel bad for any Germans that may want to listen though.
I am about to dispute the pink floyd album, hopefully I don't get a copyright strike. I have not gotten any before though so I am not to worried.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320274 - 10/01/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with the laws being "strict". Different musical groups/artists have various publishers and Performance Rights Organizations (PROs) as a means of collecting due payments through live music and terrestrial/digital renderings/reproductions pending upon the country in question. So, an internationally recognised artist such as Pink Floyd have their UK publisher (Imagem Music) while also maintaining affiliation with ASCAP in the United States. I believe Imagem and ASCAP are sister companies, but could be wrong. Their continental European publisher (probably based in Germany) maintains the right to remove digital "renderings", on YouTube, until Pink Floyd's music enters public domain.
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Soul-Shine]
#22320332 - 10/01/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well that explains why the floyd video is blocked worldwide, so are you saying the videos just blocked in germany just have worse publishers or something?
The floyd video si blocked by WMG and SME I believe and the vids just blocked in Germany are UMG which is weird since its an American/ worldwide company.
At least from what I read.
I pussied out from filing a dispute on the floyd video, I don't want no strike. Could keep me from uploading anything over 15 minutes for 6 months 
I sent them a message though
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320336 - 10/01/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I am about to dispute the pink floyd album, hopefully I don't get a copyright strike.
Although you are not making any money from the upload, Pink Floyd is losing revenue every time somebody plays the video that you uploaded. Advertisement profits on YouTube will not go towards Floyd's bank account. This is why there is such a fuss on digital copyrights. Artists are not receiving monies that they earned.
Think about the hours spent mastering an instrument, the hundreds of thousands that go into recording a record, pressing the record and promoting the record - plus all of the salaries of the staff in the industry who make it even possible to get the product into the hands of the consumer (from engineers to accountants to pluggers) .
All the while we have that music forever whereas something like coffee (at the same price of a generic album) is a used good within an hour's time. Granted money isn't a problem for the monolithic acts of yesterday, but there is only little hope for success with this model of business for any emerging artist to make a name for themselves and make music as a sustainable career choice.
Don't get me started on corps like Spotify and Pandora. Paying peanuts is saying it nicely.
Edited by Soul-Shine (10/01/15 06:25 PM)
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Soul-Shine]
#22320344 - 10/01/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, UMG sounds more correct than what I wrote previously. Their scope extends outside of the US with the help of smaller firms. I wouldn't say they have worse publishers in Germany, just publishers that are doing their jobs
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Soul-Shine]
#22320359 - 10/01/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The way I look at it by putting it online I am spreading it to a wider audience, real fans will go buy the album anyways and people who here it and really love it will go buy it too. I am giving people a chance to sample it before they pay, also in many cases people buy albums and lose them. It is great having easy access to them online for situations like that.
Music is not about the money anyways, plenty of people still manage to make a living with it anyways.
I have known many amazing struggling musicians though but that is nothing new, many of the best artists die young and unrecognized ahead of their time 
Also I use adblock and don't monetize my account, so no adds on my stuff.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320377 - 10/01/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, that is a common counterpoint. I see it from both sides. I just think that it is important that others try to as well. The real fans will be the record, but what about the groups with little to no fans? A slow death of mediocrity?
I would venture to say that this issue will be solved in the next ten years. Music sure as heck isn't going anywhere. The industry just needs to adapt to the change. It's doing that too, but slower than the rate of growth.
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Soul-Shine]
#22320409 - 10/01/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I definitely get both sides, I just think monetizing of art is lame. I do get artists need to make a living too though if that is all they do.
I want to start my own music studio and maybe label eventually to try and change the music scene somewhat. At the very least I want to do all my own recording.
Then I can put my music out for free at little cost, maybe ask for donations to help pay for all the gear I will be using. Opening a venue too is a dream of mine.
The music industry is just so greedy, as are a lot of "artists" it seems People in general really, just extra sad with art.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320521 - 10/01/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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great art comes out of the abomination of the world.
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: musiclover420]
#22320576 - 10/01/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's cool that you want to do that! Be prepared, it's a bumpy road.
If we didn't monetise art though, there would have been no Elvis, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Who, Motown (as a genre) etc., nor the artists that they inspired. The money gave them the time and space to be creative. Couldn't imagine Hendrix being as innovative if he had a 9-5 job flipping burgers in order to pay the rent. I think there's this idea that musicians sit around, have sex and do drugs all day. In reality they are practicing, writing and recording music from the moment they wake until they sleep. Some people have jobs as accountants and others have jobs being sculptors. Each have 24 hours in the day to perfect their work.
Art as a whole tends to be a reflection and comment on social culture. I don't see the quality of the art being as poignant if the artists of each generation didn't have the time and money to be free. Accepting, it was a fair bit of coin they had. Nowadays... not so much. Even the huge artists such as Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and co. really don't have that much coin. Their net value is worth a lot, but what they own is very little. Most of their lifestyle is attributed to credit given to them by their recording labels and the banks. It really is a false sense of wealth.
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Re: Does Germany have strict copyright laws or something? [Re: Soul-Shine]
#22320646 - 10/01/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soul-Shine said: It's cool that you want to do that! Be prepared, it's a bumpy road.
If we didn't monetise art though, there would have been no Elvis, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Who, Motown (as a genre) etc., nor the artists that they inspired. The money gave them the time and space to be creative. Couldn't imagine Hendrix being as innovative if he had a 9-5 job flipping burgers in order to pay the rent. I think there's this idea that musicians sit around, have sex and do drugs all day. In reality they are practicing, writing and recording music from the moment they wake until they sleep. Some people have jobs as accountants and others have jobs being sculptors. Each have 24 hours in the day to perfect their work.
Art as a whole tends to be a reflection and comment on social culture. I don't see the quality of the art being as poignant if the artists of each generation didn't have the time and money to be free. Accepting, it was a fair bit of coin they had. Nowadays... not so much. Even the huge artists such as Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and co. really don't have that much coin. Their net value is worth a lot, but what they own is very little. Most of their lifestyle is attributed to credit given to them by their recording labels and the banks. It really is a false sense of wealth.
Gotta go out and tour. Thats the only way.
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