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what comes after life?
#22320079 - 10/01/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it is just a question. what do you think happens after life?
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I don't know, but I know that life comes after love.
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More life.
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Re: what comes after life? [Re: cez]
#22320492 - 10/01/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: More life.
is it possible that when life is over, it is over?
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I was teasing - brother you are the earth, the sky, the sun, the trees, the wind, the blue, the red, all of it.
There is no death. No death; no fear. . . I lived this way since a babe, and then later I got to see the book by Thay of the same name.
Very lovely.
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enlightened seed said:
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cez said: More life.
is it possible that when life is over, it is over?
Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, but it transforms from one form to another. I think we are eternal, what happens to that energy after this life I don't know, but I would like to believe that it goes on to fuel new life.
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Re: what comes after life? [Re: Lucis]
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You will wonder into the great cosmos into dimensions and realities much greater than your dreams..... Or nothing at all.
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Re: what comes after life? [Re: Lucis]
#22321171 - 10/01/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"After", the concept, denotes time. Or, at the very least, brings Time into existence. Time is an illusion.
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Re: what comes after life? [Re: mwhtmn]
#22321444 - 10/01/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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YES.! Thank you!
ah. . . so good to be around sane people, lol.
hell, all three, completely spot on.
no words, just thanks for beauty. 
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if you ask an oak tree - or redwood, what is time - it would be very different answer.
same as we - eternal beings. . . the cloak n' dagger stuff is from pure illusion.
if you have that - then you are at peace, and you don't try to hurt others.
not even a bit. heh. none of the wacko games etc.
just hey- let's work together, to make it a better place etc.
and also - yes, of course, there are realities we don't know - let's explore them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anything less is ludicris, absurd, and off-putting, to say the least.
we're all genii, geniuses, divine ones, etc., once we awaken, & there is no more confusion.
it can be so easy.
peace & love to every1. . .
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cez said: More life.
is it possible that when life is over, it is over?
I tend to think that way. Ultimately, I don't know for sure, but things to me seem to lean in that direction. If I'm proven wrong at my death, I won't complain.
I thought your OP was referring to what happens after life on earth ceases, heh.
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Man very cool answers from everyone! And they all seem to have common ground.
Time, as we know it, is made up. Human time is not universal time!
"Energy can't be created or destroyed" is a great clue from science. When our form is gone, we are still everything (including our form because time isn't a linear thing). Our human life, in the scope of everythingness, must seem like a bizarre dmt trip flash.
After all, we ARE everything. Yet in human form, we tend to feel separate from it, and describe it from our human brain interpretations+senses. Each of us is a different physical manifestation of the infinite.
So...without form, can we perceive that "everything"? How is color, sound, smell perceived in everything mode without physical organ tools (ears, nose, eyes)?
That still leaves us with: "what comes after life?"
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Well, if, as you mention Conservation of Energy, you like the scientific aspect, I can take it a little farther.
I'm sure all of you have heard of quantum mechanics, and many of you will have heard of the wave function. The wave function in superposition describes all of the different possibilities a given quantum state can take.
In other words, it gives a mathematical description of all possible outcomes of a given situation. Now, some people think that the wave function describes some inherent consciousness in the universe, and there is a lot of good evidence that it does. David Bohm himself said that the wave function is the Implicate order, which is Bohm's word for the totality of the consciousness of the universe.
The point I would like to make is that the information constituting the wave function exists in a phase space and never goes anywhere. In theory, one could assign a wave function to an individual's brain/mind/soul, and its state vector would be immortal -- that is, it would not exist in time and it would simply exist indefinitely. That information is totally conserved, and does not get destroyed. It makes no difference whether you die or not.
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Man I had to read that a few times to really understand!
I've read basic quantum mechanics. It's way over my head and plus I'm burnt so I wouldn't say I learned it well. But I do remember reading, and thinking that it confirms a lot of far out theories and ideas I've experienced while trippin.
Do you think consciousness is dependent upon a human form? Or do you see consciousness as a self reliant collective that inhabits and manifests through the mind? Of course this is the "million dollar question" and translates to "what happens when we die", but I'm asking your opinion having a strong knowledge of science and plus your personal experience.
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Well, based upon my personal knowledge and experience, I think David Bohm's thesis is the most correct. His postulate is that the universe is constituted of what he calls the Implicate order, which is the undivided whole of existence, and which enfolds everything. The explicate order unfolds from the implicate order, and then re-enfolds back into it -- many billions of times per second. So, everything you see, mass, energy and everything in interaction, is part of the explicate order, which is the set of relatively invariant, relatively independent sub-wholes. A key thing to realize is that in each explicate set of attributes, the entire implicate order is implicit -- rather like each cell of the body containing the DNA for the whole thing. And of course, a part implies that it is part of a whole. The key thing for Bohm was to emphasize the undivided, flowing movement of the implicate order, as it unfolds into the explicate and the re-enfolds back into the implicate. One major advantage of this framework is that it essentially explains quantum mechanics.
tl;dr I feel the universe has a fundamental basis of consciousness, and that all relatively invariant forms arise out of this non-local field. I do not feel that consciousness has to be expressed as human beings; in fact, I feel even a rock has a very low order of consciousness, because the implicate order informs every atom and gives it a sense of objective being. The permutations for consciousness are infinite.
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anyone can have a theory or write a book but no one can prove anything so it is up to each to decide what to believe. of course that is just my personal opinion. it does not matter how educated a person is if what they preach is not true. people think and decide what to believe for reasons unknown to myself, and i believe that is why there is so much ignorance and conflict in the world. I want to know the truth and it is out there.....somewhere, and i will find it.
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Well, all I can say to that is that I would hope you might consider and try to understand something like that in the future before dismissing it so off-handedly. It's taken me my lifetime (I'm 34) to come to the same conclusions that Dr. Bohm did, so I don't take kindly to your facile dismissal.
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I couldn't agree more! I never would have had those words to explain. You sir are a brilliant mind!
I find that observation of our universe gives us a bunch of clues that help us have a better clue of the big picture. Interestingly enough, these clues corroborate eachother regardless of the angle it was viewed from. Perfect example being the explanation you gave of the Implicate Order theory. A tripper with no scientific knowledge, like myself, may draw the same conclusion from a deep psychedelic experience and only mumble out: "we are all connected man, everything is one infinite fractal."
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enlightened seed said: anyone can have a theory or write a book but no one can prove anything so it is up to each to decide what to believe. of course that is just my personal opinion. it does not matter how educated a person is if what they preach is not true. people think and decide what to believe for reasons unknown to myself, and i believe that is why there is so much ignorance and conflict in the world. I want to know the truth and it is out there.....somewhere, and i will find it.
With all due respect and much love bro,
You say you seek truth and will find it...
What makes your quest more valid than another man's? What makes your truth the truth?
The truth, to me, is universal and all encompassing. I think we will find, if we don't look so critically, that we're all really saying the same thing. Its universal man.

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Lol yes - but everyone is a brilliant mind - as soon as they wish to be.
We say - each person has a divine soul - or, George Harrison at least. But it's very common -well, he certainly didn't invent it.
To wit- in Hinduism it's Atman, etc. . . or, SacCidAnanda - Truth-Consciousness-Bliss,
but this is so advanced as to say - divine love, consciousness, peace, and bliss, are the natural self of each of us - --
and divine consciousness seems so far out that we don't usually grasp it on a practical level.
I mean we are seeing the shift. . . yet it is waves - fluctuations, bits and starts.
I.e. what is the universe? Are time and space real?
We transcend time and space in various ways - we see that each is subjective in its sense - more generally time. . .
or more clearly time.
to get back to the nature of soul part - or, brilliant mind, etc -
like i say - divine soul seems abstract, and more difficult to grasp in concrete -
so it helped for me, to hear Emerson say, "Every person has a Genius."
after meditating on it for quite some time.
Possibly because Genius is closer to the 'limited body' than 'divine soul' - or perhaps that it doesn't preclude necessary . . .
all those people or linguistic pathways which reject the phrase ' divine soul ' -
in other words - the pseudo-logical part of the mind which says that only limited-body, time & space bound,
and physical matter alone exists . . .
So - in a sense even, Emerson's term is more inclusive. . . etc.
But this is word-play, but for me generally it did help quite a lot - - - and then to see it in action, was so lovely.
Also of course there is Einsteins' statements - imagination is more important than knowledge - and that genius is 99% perspiration, and 1% inspiration.
These are lovely - and they are not authoritative statements. . . of course. But they are clues.
McKenna hit upon the nail beautifully - - - ' No one is smarter than you. '
This is a powerful truth! - yet, it is only one kernal - one fragment or grain. . .
it is a grain upon a sandy shore. . . and yes, all the other grains are the whole hologram too.
Look up Bohm and Michael Talbot, enlightened seed.
I won't explain them here though.
Peace and love.
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Uni - one a' my best friends on here -
DQ - also one a my good friends on here -
is bright, but is no brighter than you - yourself.
Not that - you are saying that he is not - this is the level of enlightened discussion, when one may say to another -
you are brilliant! you are divine -- you are beautiful - and all others are ---- well, what they are -
also divine, brilliant, and beautiful - depending on their level of development, of growth & consciousnses. . .
yet one point i wish to make is - each is, even anyone who might seem to be ' not as brilliant as Shelley, Goethe, Emerson, etc '
such a silly thing. as all can be. . .
Anyway - even someone seemingly not as brilliant - they are, too, a node in Indra's net,
a dancing Spirit - interacting with all forms of the universe -
and, because each part interacts - is inter-dancing. . . each part of the whole create all the others. . .
Or one might say reflect them - but in so reflecting, also affecting.
And so this is the basic explanation of the holograghic universe theory. .
brb
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or 'holographic principle' of string theory
but these are just words - and this is a non-theorists perception of it, although I did experience this in full, one time.
so it is one of them that can actually be -- what's the word -- there ought to be a better word meaning more than confirmed -- but it can be confirmed by experience.
this is lovely too because it's a place where physics and spirituality connect -- far more than any other I've felt. . .
Consider the sacred -- if you are ready to -- visions and wisdom, as described by the holy men or shamans from literally every tradition.
That is. Literally every tradition.
Somewhere mentions something like this -- Black Elk is the one i'm most familiar with, although kanak and others - well worth while, I believe. many others.
Peace and love
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more life why even ask the question though I can say anything and not one person can prove me wrong I could say a dick sandwich comes after life and no one actually knows we have ideas and feelings but I know better then to trust them im ready for the curve ball this time
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My vote: Another life
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Re: what comes after life? [Re: Mr. Hankey]
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According to the scriptures, it refers life as being in the state of being vibrant, full of joy and at peace at all time. But death is considered as the opposite of life.
Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
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life's full of transitions and deaths the greatest transition some make the transition others face plant
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