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Why do we like what we like?
#22319794 - 10/01/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do we like the things we like? Why do some people like one type of music and others don't? Why do people like certain activities and others don't?
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22319842 - 10/01/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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music - the era you are born in, your peers, your parents, your age, the availability
certain activities - uhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: quinn]
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hehe
here is a good point - i will share soon, planning to, on health area -
the food we like is primarily psychological - what feeling we had when we had a particular food. .
very useful info (unlike 99.9999999% of the rest. . true dat.)
i knew when i learned - i had already developed very healthy habits of eating, yet this helped pick up the slack, so to speak.
so going from there, primarily association with good or bad feelings - quantum entanglement, etc.
i recommend gradual growth into more lovely forms, etc.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Conditioning.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
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I would guess there are both genetic and cultural factors, and that each of which plays a major role. Without the genetic factor, you would have no tastes or proclivities, and without the cultural factor you would just have nothing. Different cultures are interested in totally different things. I would say at a baseline level genetics is probably the driver of most of our tastes.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22320129 - 10/01/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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genetics possibly
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez]
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cez said: Conditioning.
Somehow I doubt that is all there is to it. How come different family members have different tastes?
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez]
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cez said: Conditioning.
Everything is infinite light.
oh. I suppose that was inappropriate here.
ya, ya, I'm going, I'm going.
Dear Cez-
Do you know I remember exactly what you wrote when you gave me five stars?
I also remember all our interactions, every word we said.
I remember the time you wrote a post, then deleted it quickly,
and I wrote just after - I was probably the only one who saw it.
We all have perfect memory - that's only one of our traits.
We also can overcome any conditioning -
We choose our entire life-times.
Now I will say cya.

in short - you are not a robot - you choose who you are, what you are - what you like, etc.
We're fighting a meme war (with infinite levels).
Join the winning side.
Peace and perfect health.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#22320230 - 10/01/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Different influences hit them at the right time 
I blame social conditioning for everything we are. There's nothing inherent in anyone imo.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez]
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You're partly right. Genetics are not determinant - barely, they are. Everything is inherent in everyone, though. Half-right.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez] 1
#22320251 - 10/01/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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individuals decide what to believe but there is a certain level of conditioning in the design. i could be wrong but hey, can you prove it?
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Excellent post, E-S.
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once in a lifetime said:
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cez said: Conditioning.
Everything is infinite light.
oh. I suppose that was inappropriate here.
ya, ya, I'm going, I'm going.
Dear Cez-
Do you know I remember exactly what you wrote when you gave me five stars?
I also remember all our interactions, every word we said.
I remember the time you wrote a post, then deleted it quickly,
and I wrote just after - I was probably the only one who saw it.
We all have perfect memory - that's only one of our traits.
We also can overcome any conditioning -
We choose our entire life-times.
Now I will say cya.

in short - you are not a robot - you choose who you are, what you are - what you like, etc.
We're fighting a meme war (with infinite levels).
Join the winning side.
Peace and perfect health.
I agree with the essence of what you're saying but I think we are robots and it's up to us to struggle against the conditioning that has been imprinted upon us if we want to be "free."
To think you are free already is to fool yourself imo. Some people might have been raised in proper conditions so that they naturally are free, but for most of us I think it's a moment-to-moment struggle that lasts for years.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez]
#22320275 - 10/01/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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free already? peace bro. Love too.
yes we are free - always. You can walk anywhere. . . Letting go of social pressures is the way to be free of them -
yep, I know those pressures are heavier on some people and in some families - I've seen that. Lots of times. But they are free too, if they wished - their parents just hold them to a certain ideal, a form, and they get crushed under the weight -
at any point they could step outside of their conditioning - if they so chose.
As far as struggle - yes, I know how tough this life can be, and so I share Kornfield's view -
'Life is so hard, how can we be anything but kind?'
Then it can be so easy.
A fish eagle hunts only ten minutes a day. . . I forgot where I was going with that but ya, good stuff.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: cez]
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cez said:
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once in a lifetime said:
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cez said: Conditioning.
Everything is infinite light.
oh. I suppose that was inappropriate here.
ya, ya, I'm going, I'm going.
Dear Cez-
Do you know I remember exactly what you wrote when you gave me five stars?
I also remember all our interactions, every word we said.
I remember the time you wrote a post, then deleted it quickly,
and I wrote just after - I was probably the only one who saw it.
We all have perfect memory - that's only one of our traits.
We also can overcome any conditioning -
We choose our entire life-times.
Now I will say cya.

in short - you are not a robot - you choose who you are, what you are - what you like, etc.
We're fighting a meme war (with infinite levels).
Join the winning side.
Peace and perfect health.
I agree with the essence of what you're saying but I think we are robots and it's up to us to struggle against the conditioning that has been imprinted upon us if we want to be "free."
To think you are free already is to fool yourself imo. Some people might have been raised in proper conditions so that they naturally are free, but for most of us I think it's a moment-to-moment struggle that lasts for years.
some might say we are a product of our environment. who is to say whether that is true our false? the world is what it is i suppose.
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ah - you helped me remember, friend.
Ya, as Nouwen put it - this world is only evil if we are a slave to it. Why is a fish eagle happy, but a human unhappy? Who would say the human is higher / than an eagle?
We create it - individually and collectively;
Also - about poverty or rich / the poor are divine, honored, sacred - in my view at least, and the rich - are generally on a downward spiral .. .
growth and decay. . . eternal and natural way of human behavior - when there's peace, there will be peace.
etc.
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Notice how a rich person's sons are generally spoiled - etc. . . and poor people don't take the simple stuff for granted.
It's a rather universal and almost eternal thing. . . I recommend reading Siddhartha; although I wish I could mention a good translator, I don't know which one is best for that one.
There will be peace one day.
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I dont think there is such a thing as true freedom, only the belief you are.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22320618 - 10/01/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a predilection this could become a free-will debate.
That's been done to its natural conclusion - anyway to me it's fairly simple: we do not live in a deterministic universe - there is randomness at the quantum level - and that is the basis of everything.
If you have a quantum brain. . . which you do. . . etc.
As Icelander said, a completely pointless discussion.
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Look, free will has nothing to do with it. You do not choose what you like, or even what you like to believe. The brain doesn't have to be deterministic for this to be the case. It's genetics and culture. You may be able to choose within the types of things you're interested in. But you do not choose your tastes any more than you choose your face.
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Hey let's argue for a while, rofl.
I used to think it was genetics too brother. Why I had perfect health, why I got every answer right at school - etc. etc., I almost brought this up in reply to your previous post.
However that's just not the case - anyone can be healed, and anyone can reach the highest level of love and understanding.
When you see it, you will know. When I saw someone that no one - in a million years, would ever think could - reach that level, that's when I knew. All the previous ideas went out the window.
And you know what we are doing right now? Arguing. . . ?
Peace.
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there are four behaviors in this life :
things that are good for us that we like, things good for us we don't like things bad for us we like things bad for us we don't like,
etc.
Peace
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DividedQuantum said: Look, free will has nothing to do with it. You do not choose what you like, or even what you like to believe. The brain doesn't have to be deterministic for this to be the case. It's genetics and culture. You may be able to choose within the types of things you're interested in. But you do not choose your tastes any more than you choose your face.
that might explain why i like things that one has to be very careful of.
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Makes sense. Although if I was culture and genetics, how does that explain why my family loves sports and I hate them? Or why I like any type of music that sounds good even though surrounded by pop.
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in fact it has become second nature.
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Look, you're a wombat.
Look, you're an eagle.
Look, I'm a wombat.
Look, I'm an eagle.
DQ - I gave you a huge clue - our tastes are determined by what we felt when we experienced them for the first time. This is known.
This is related to quantum entanglement - which, is indeed a real thing.
Knowing this fact - which is quite priceless, though you seem to not know - you can indeed choose what you like.
Your view is - the crust tastes awful, it will always taste awful, nothing I can do about it.
My life has been - it's absolutely delicious, both crust and the soft bread - there's no coarse or fine.
I might ask you whether you think hard drugs are better than soft drugs, heh - because in our society that is what is legal.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnywho
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Thanatos10 said: Makes sense. Although if I was culture and genetics, how does that explain why my family loves sports and I hate them? Or why I like any type of music that sounds good even though surrounded by pop.
Good! Good. Yes - very good, and generally I should only reply to what is worthwhile to reply to. And also - argument in general not worth our time, hehe. . . but this is a sober discussion. . . or - enlightened discussion, for the most part.
At least, such is my faith. . .
As I was saying - very good. You dislike sports because you have made that choice. As have I.
Also - my father shared this view with me, to a good degree. . . yet the silliness of sports are pretty good. . .
Perhaps you like nature more than sports and you notice we're losing a lot of species every day, or other things --
and spending time in senseless distraction is actually a calamity. . . throwing a party while the world burns,
or maybe it is another reason. . but in general - each generation is more well-balanced than the previous one. . .
This is just a general trend, not a hard and fast, absolute fact.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
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programming might be a reason people like what they like?
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Yeppers but we choose, this is again the main point, and it keeps coming back to. To say that one cannot choose what one likes
is similar to saying we can't choose what we think, feel, do, or act - just do something - and eventually you'll like doing it. You can definitely choose what you like.
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Or let me just clarify -
You do choose what you feel, what you think, what you do, and what you act. It may take a while before more complete self-control is attained, but such self-control is very possible. Innumberable examples show this - Socrates, an old Greek, is one who is a good example of how to go about attaining this - as are most of the good ones from every culture around the globe.
To reach that level - the first step is to accept responsibility for life. . then, immediately, life becomes much easier. . . It might seem counter-intuitive - if I accept responsibility for all the details of my life, wouldn't that give me a greater burden?
But it's actually the opposite - suddenly, a great weight is lifted and I am free to move about, because I am not hindered by others' perceptions - beliefs - desires, and what not. Others' thoughts, to put it another way.
Later on, the higher levels of inter-play and inter-dancing are seen, felt and experienced, but that first level is the important step.
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once in a lifetime said: Or let me just clarify -
You do choose what you feel, what you think, what you do, and what you act. It may take a while before more complete self-control is attained, but such self-control is very possible. Innumberable examples show this - Socrates, an old Greek, is one who is a good example of how to go about attaining this - as are most of the good ones from every culture around the globe.
To reach that level - the first step is to accept responsibility for life. . then, immediately, life becomes much easier. . . It might seem counter-intuitive - if I accept responsibility for all the details of my life, wouldn't that give me a greater burden?
But it's actually the opposite - suddenly, a great weight is lifted and I am free to move about, because I am not hindered by others' perceptions - beliefs - desires, and what not. Others' thoughts, to put it another way.
Later on, the higher levels of inter-play and inter-dancing are seen, felt and experienced, but that first level is the important step.
is it known where thoughts come from?
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've nothing else to say 'cep beautiful 
the h'art mind.
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once in a lifetime said: When you see it, you will know. When I saw someone that no one - in a million years, would ever think could - reach that level, that's when I knew. All the previous ideas went out the window.
And you know what we are doing right now? Arguing. . . ?
Peace.
Patronizing and arrogant. 
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once in a lifetime said: Look, you're a wombat.
Look, you're an eagle.
Look, I'm a wombat.
Look, I'm an eagle.
DQ - I gave you a huge clue - our tastes are determined by what we felt when we experienced them for the first time. This is known.
This is related to quantum entanglement - which, is indeed a real thing.
Knowing this fact - which is quite priceless, though you seem to not know - you can indeed choose what you like.
Your view is - the crust tastes awful, it will always taste awful, nothing I can do about it.
My life has been - it's absolutely delicious, both crust and the soft bread - there's no coarse or fine.
I might ask you whether you think hard drugs are better than soft drugs, heh - because in our society that is what is legal.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnywho
I would like for you to explain quantum entanglement to us.
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Knowing this fact - which is quite priceless, though you seem to not know - you can indeed choose what you like.
Patronizing and arrogant. 
I normally like you OIAL, but I don't think this stuff is very good form at all.
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rofl - what is arguing except trying to coerce ? coercion is almost evil brother. . . that's why I say arguing is not worth our time. As I have no wish to bother you, I withdraw.
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argument by its basic nature is pretty much wrongness - a desire to coerce, impress upon another one's will.
As my definition of good and evil is what is good is what does good for mother earth, and what is evil is what does harm to mother earth, we do not really have much to talk about -
I also much prefer your happiness, to my being right.
So - Peace.
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Thanatos10 said: Makes sense. Although if I was culture and genetics, how does that explain why my family loves sports and I hate them? Or why I like any type of music that sounds good even though surrounded by pop.
and spending time in senseless distraction is actually a calamity. . . throwing a party while the world burns,
or maybe it is another reason. . but in general - each generation is more well-balanced than the previous one. . .
This is just a general trend, not a hard and fast, absolute fact.
I'd very much like to see the world in ashes.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
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Why do we like what we like... ?
Well its in the essence of a thing itself..for example..the qualities of sex..we find that when a certain image or stimulus is presented..it naturally manufactures the qualities of happiness..like, attachment..fulfillment..and physiologically the necessary feelings of pleasure..for a man which would include an erection, and for a woman a stimulated or hardening of the clitoris..and lubrication of the vagina...
So for example..these are inherent in the stimulus itself..which here to for figures in as a specific reaction which is primal..and thus manifests based only on the specific connections thus...
So in other terms..we like things because they can be attached in a way that is meaningful and is supplied...in a ratio that we can actually understand..and the fuel with as a vehicle of attachment..which usually includes pleasure and stimulation of various kinds..so the things we like are things that fit with who we are..both as a subjective notion of personality..and the objective notion of our body in relation to space..and our mind in relation to the autonomy of our being..and place in existence...
So the things we like do indeed have a fitting and therefore prime place in our very reality..in which we are receptive..but also forcing..of some particularity..or specific set of things..or things..as an array the things we like are most likely to be clear for us to channel..in response to others and ourselves..in our relations there in are usually with things we like!
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22321411 - 10/01/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know the feeling, dear friend. . all comes and goes. .
it's possible to leave such so far behind, it becomes quite literally nothing;
and possible to reach any state of consciousness you wish to -
just gotta know who your friends are, that's main -
friends who are worth all your h'art are rare -
yet the only kind worth having really. .
the only kind i ever consider my friend,
yet also, by my nature, always open to all,
so it's sort of a eternal rise and fall of everything. .
anyway i do understand you completely - remember, our kids gotta live here. . .
peace and love, dear thanatos.
jake out. well, in a little bit.
-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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Thanatos10
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I don't really care about the children.
-------------------- As lightless oblivion devours you, drown in the ever-blooming darkness.
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Re: Why do we like what we like? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22326033 - 10/02/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Thanatos10 said: I don't really care about the children.
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jenocide
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Social upbringing, genetics, social stigma, pre-conditioning...the list goes on.
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