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Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination?
    #22319196 - 10/01/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had over 50 jars that mostly looked like this...


I tossed most of them, but left a few just in case. I tossed the others because they smelled bad. Some were sweet, other sour. The only thing I didn't smell was that good earthy mushroom smell. However, I had spawned some of those same bad jars to bulk and they are fruiting right now and don't show any signs of contamination? Should I spawn the other jars that smell bad and have the little uncolonized spots on the WBS?


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22319204 - 10/01/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Under no circumstance should yous spawn any jar with uncolonized spots.  You're getting brave because you got away with spawning something gross, don't let it lead you into the quicksand.


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22319304 - 10/01/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could shake those, see if they recover and finish colonizing.  Did you already open them to smell though?


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22322273 - 10/02/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The only jars I opened were 100% oolonized. When I say the initial reason I thought they might be contaminated is due to the TINY TINY spots on the grain that look pressed against the glass and weren't colonized. I shook the jars and they recovered fully. ALL of my jars recovered to the same point as the jars in the pics above.

I opened all of them and not one smelled like it should, however, I have 7 subs in my GH and they are all doing really well. I just started using a cup of gypsum per sub (6 qt coir/verm 2 qt spawn 1 cup gypsum) and since I did that, my subs are nice and held together after only 8 days! Normally before, I would incubate (leave them in a tub to colonize the bulk) for 14 days and even then, they wouldn't be 100% firm, as in won't fall apart when taken out of the tub to the GH. They're super firm and held together, while still being soft to the touch and are fruiting SUPER well.

5/7 have been in the GH for 6 days and haven't quite started pinning, but they haven't shown ANY signs of contaminants, which I'm used to seeing pretty soon when the sub gets the FAE that brings out the mean green.

So again, I'm baffled that 7 of these bad smelling jars turned into wonderful fruiting subs and not 1 with any signs of contamination. Also, these are from the jars that looked and smelled like the jars in the pics above.

Any explanation? Or did I just witness a mushy miracle?


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22322390 - 10/02/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lots of people have spawned and fruited through bacteria, thats nothing new. But it really opens the door for mold. Personally i don't like to risk extra time, space or material on what is essentially a coin flip.

What I do when I have masters I suspect are bacterial is to case and top fruit em. Not breaking the colony up helps cut down the mold vector and if you bottom water you can often see a decent yield for the efforts. Not as good as spawning usually but better than a tub full of green.


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22322689 - 10/02/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What I do when I have masters I suspect are bacterial is to case and top fruit em. Not breaking the colony up helps cut down the mold vector and if you bottom water you can often see a decent yield for the efforts. Not as good as spawning usually but better than a tub full of green.




Since I have multiple jars that are definitely bacterial, could you briefly explain these 2 things you do in this specific situation? Are you still spawning to bulk? I imagine you mean that the fact that my subs have bacteria, they could still not contaminate with mold? I suppose I should really try and keep my greenhouse clean then.

Top fruiting?
Bottom Water?


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22322830 - 10/02/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No you don't spawn them, that becomes the vector.  Just remove the lid and case the top with coir or peat, I prefer coir in these instances. When the pins come in you can pour a little water down the sides and the myc draws it up into the fruits. This allows for a decent flush and few aborts due to water not being available.

The subs you already spawned are full of mold spores already, cleaning your greenhouse won't really change much. They might make it but keep an eye on em.


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22323202 - 10/02/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No you don't spawn them, that becomes the vector.  Just remove the lid and case the top with coir or peat, I prefer coir in these instances. When the pins come in you can pour a little water down the sides and the myc draws it up into the fruits. This allows for a decent flush and few aborts due to water not being available.

The subs you already spawned are full of mold spores already, cleaning your greenhouse won't really change much. They might make it but keep an eye on em.




I'll definitely do that. I just made 4 more subs, so I'll top fruit them and I've been watching my other subs closely, but it's been a whole 7 days and not one spot of contamination.


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Re: Bad smelling spawn still fruited on bulk sub without contamination? [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22323308 - 10/02/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=22&Number=21936821&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#21936821

:thumbup: in a nutshell i agree with pasty. It's not worth the time, low yield, and risk imo. Did I experiment with bacterial spawn for awhile tho? Definitely.


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