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HardTrippin
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DMT Breakthrough? 1
#22319162 - 10/01/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I just vaped pure DMT for the first time. I smoked twice consecutively because I had to go back to find out more about the space I was in. Both times I experienced the generally reported buzzing that gets louder and louder. Only, I didn't break through a membrane so much as I would hear something shatter and then I would close my eyes and be in some sort of hospital setting with doctors working on me. They weren't playful like the elves Terence McKenna speaks of. They were really busy actually. I could sense that they were concerned for me, but they were almost too busy to really pay me too much attention aside from the fact they were performing some sort of surgery on my head.
What I want to know, are there various levels of the DMT experience that one can break through? Did I only experience one of them? I never got that blissful oneness experience that is reported in The Spirit Molecule either. I was simply in a space with doctors working on me. I couldn't tell for sure if they were human, but they might as well have been. They looked very human.
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Shiithead
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You were trippin....
Go into it clear minded.
The brain does weird things when it reacts to drugs. Drugs don't do anything essentially.
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HardTrippin
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead]
#22319222 - 10/01/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree that the brain does weird things on drugs. I disagree that drugs don't do anything essentially. There are clear differences between the effects of different substances.
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Shiithead
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HardTrippin said: There are clear differences between the effects of different substances.
Yes but those effects aren't known until they react with the brain. And even then everyone has different experiences with them. Drugs do don't anything really.
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HardTrippin
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead]
#22319276 - 10/01/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your conclusion "drugs don't do anything really" is too strong. Just because they don't have psychoactive effects unless they are reacting with brain chemistry, it doesn't follow that they "don't do anything". The effects of drugs are much more predictable than you seem to think.
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Shiithead
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HardTrippin said: The effects of drugs are much more predictable than you seem to think.
You're talking about effects on your brain dude. Not the drugs themselves....
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HardTrippin
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead]
#22319309 - 10/01/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I fail to see your point. Of course we're talking about the effects of the drugs on your brain. What else would we be talking about? Their molecular structure?
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Shiithead
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HardTrippin said: Just because they don't have psychoactive effects unless they are reacting with brain chemistry, it doesn't follow that they "don't do anything".
What did you mean by this.
What do drugs do then if they aren't reacting with the brain?????
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Thats the most "normal" breakthru Ive ever heard of.
No aliens, no strange geometric landscapes, no infinitely-elaborate "rooms" or "spaces", no clowns/elves/entities. Just human doctors doing surgery on you. So very strange but so intriguing 
Try listen to some spiritual music 10 minutes prior to smoke DMT again. You might get that spiritual hyperspace that you seek
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#22319341 - 10/01/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Thats the most "normal" breakthru Ive ever heard of.
No aliens, no strange geometric landscapes, no infinitely-elaborate "rooms" or "spaces", no clowns/elves/entities. Just human doctors doing surgery on you. So very strange but so intriguing 
Try listen to some spiritual music 10 minutes prior to smoke DMT again. You might get that spiritual hyperspace that you seek 
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HardTrippin said: Just because they don't have psychoactive effects unless they are reacting with brain chemistry, it doesn't follow that they "don't do anything".
What did you mean by this.
What do drugs do then if they aren't reacting with the brain?????
You said drugs "don't do anything". You realise that 'to do' and 'to have something done to' are two different things right? Drugs do in fact do something, insofar as they affect the brain. I am arguing that there are essential qualities that the effects of any given substance will have.
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Shiithead
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HardTrippin said: I am arguing that there are essential qualities that the effects of any given substance will have.
They don't do anything. It is all in your head. Literally.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead] 1
#22319364 - 10/01/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I disagree with Shithead (must....resist...name...calling)
Psychedelics do a lot of things that the normal mind cannot create on its own. Thats why psychedelics are so unique, it puts us in a unique state unlike any other normal sober state possible.
Some say advanced meditation techniques can achieve what psychedelics can, but im not so sure
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Shiithead
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Some say advanced meditation techniques can achieve what psychedelics can, but im not so sure 
If you're not sure, why speak in absolutes?
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Shiithead]
#22321345 - 10/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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How were you vaping it?
Did you still have awareness of your body? Did you still remember that you smoked dmt?
On a full on breakthrough (IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE) you wont have any memories of ever living on earth, you wont know your name, wont know you even smoked dmt.
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When I breakthrough there is no question of if I did or not. 30 seconds after taking my last hit usually the fact that just 30 seconds ago I was a human being on the planet earth is lost to me. I become everything and nothing forever because I was never a human in the first place. The experience of infinity in 5-7 minutes DMT 
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22321455 - 10/01/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im worried about this guy. DMT tends to be real more real than any drug I have ever done. Like DMT means something its not something to just blow off those trips usually are something that I feel is real. Im worried for you dont blow this off look for what it is in your life that is causing this. Im worried it's a sign and it doesn't sound good. The other side showed you something abnormal to me, and my guess is something abnormal to most DMT users. Take that seriously its not every day someone experiences something like that, all my trips mean something but this seems especail important because its so odd. Im really worried for you man it could be nothing but I have a strong feeling its something. Can you try some ayahuasca? It takes you deeper and its longer it won't be the crazy rush like vaped DMT but it will show you the path more clearly. DMT is trying to tell you something I feel you can figure out what it is much better with a strong dose of aya.
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That sounds fucking crazy man, the few times I have done DMT was very rushed & just for the thrill of the super trip nothing spiritual or deeper purpose then wanting my body to melt away & have my mind shattered have never lead me to anything like you described.
I've always just had tetris blocks everywhere I could control with my mind, flying through the matrix in tunnels or like I am a bullet shooting out a gun barrel & just seeing what almost looks like an LED bright universe or maelstrom having its own rave.
I really doubt I have ever broken through but I seen some crazy ass shit & felt like I didn't exist for a moment, only when I fully come back do I realize "shit real life again that was only 5 minutes" can't wait to get my hands on some again to at lest give it one more good go.
DMT is truly the businessman trip in a nutshell, & I love it
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HardTrippin said: They were really busy actually. I could sense that they were concerned for me, but they were almost too busy to really pay me too much attention aside from the fact they were performing some sort of surgery on my head.
This explains my first dmt breakthrough perfectly. I had a very similar experience
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Quit The Cult said: How were you vaping it?
Did you still have awareness of your body? Did you still remember that you smoked dmt?
On a full on breakthrough (IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE) you wont have any memories of ever living on earth, you wont know your name, wont know you even smoked dmt.
THIS^^^
first thing I wondered was his method. if you do it right then I think you know and you don't question whether there was a 'breakthrough' (which I feel is even a little subjective).
I saw a method where you cut the bottom off a plastic bottle and wrap aluminum foil around the bottom to vape all of your spice slowly into the bottle before inhaling. Haven't tried it but it looks like it might be the solution to everyone's problems. Personally, my tried and true is the sandwich method using plain ashes.
And you're spot on about lack of awareness of your body and that part usually comes toward the middle for me - and I would say it's similar to being under sedation because you zone out to the point of not knowing/caring. I have had some awareness during what I considered to be near breakthrough but it was like looking at my thumbs and trying to figure out what kind of strange little creatures I was looking at.
I've never really pondered whether or not I actually smoked it because I think deep down I know and never question it. Salvia on other hand ... I've totally forgot about smoking it and wondered wtf was happening to me or if I had died and was in the afterlife or something. Don't want to salvia-jack this thread but there are different types of this breaking through and salvia is way more disorienting.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: lurkmode]
#22322646 - 10/02/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lurkmode said:
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Quit The Cult said: How were you vaping it?
Did you still have awareness of your body? Did you still remember that you smoked dmt?
On a full on breakthrough (IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE) you wont have any memories of ever living on earth, you wont know your name, wont know you even smoked dmt.
THIS^^^
first thing I wondered was his method. if you do it right then I think you know and you don't question whether there was a 'breakthrough' (which I feel is even a little subjective).
I saw a method where you cut the bottom off a plastic bottle and wrap aluminum foil around the bottom to vape all of your spice slowly into the bottle before inhaling. Haven't tried it but it looks like it might be the solution to everyone's problems.
That should work I think but with a plastic bottle and foil its gonna burn the plastic.
I think the best method for smoked DMT must be a gravity bong (3/5 hits in one) but we need to think of a way of creating something that would alow a vape system ontop of a glass bottle.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: wolf8312]
#22322702 - 10/02/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Source of your spice >>> method of smoking it... as long as you don't totally burn it whatever you choose to smoke it with be a freebase pipe, spoon pipe sandwich, dab rig, machine, etc theres not much difference in the end except for some have a faster lift off. Dmt is extremely selective on the breakthrough and you really need zero external stimulation to get the most out of it.. all surrounding energies will have an effect on the trip and something like a door opening, dog barking, motor running, other people, etc can keep you grounded in this reality
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wolf8312
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I dunno man that sounds more like salvia to me. With DMT if you get enough into your system it's gonna pull you into hyperspace no matter whats going on around you.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: wolf8312]
#22323389 - 10/02/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have to ask if you broke through or not........you probably didn't. Once you do there is no question. nowadays if I smoke dmt its with harmalas More bang for your buck easier to control and longer to explore.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: wolf8312]
#22323637 - 10/02/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said:
That should work I think but with a plastic bottle and foil its gonna burn the plastic.
you use a 2 liter bottle and the area is enough that you don't really ever get the heat near the edge and the heat from the foil dissipates before it reaches the side.
i watched a video of a guy doing it somewhere. it looked like it had potential.
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Re: DMT Breakthrough? [Re: lurkmode]
#22324434 - 10/02/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tried the tinfoil plastic bottle thing. Didn't work for me. Just get a vapor genie and do it right.
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Did anything happen after the hospital? I think you got caught in the breakthrough. I've had a few death scenes, where I see parents or friends find my lifeless body and their faces of concern and disappointment. I've heard of others experiencing their death as well, or deep fears. I think this is how our minds can interpret the transition if we go through it anxiously or with fear. It's a challenge to let go of our human life and worries so you can embrace the larger life force we're really made of. It's the last gate in the breakthrough process and once you let go of everything and surrender to trusting the experience completely you'll transition into the more brilliant, loving realms that you allow to manifest with your unbound mindset.
Meditate a while with your piece loaded before doing it to calm down and let go of expectations and anxiety. Keep your cool as it sets in and try to take 1 more hit than you have been. Smiling after you finish your hits can guide you naturally.
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Rewindicus said: Just get a vapor genie and do it right. 
well, yeah!
I swear though ... I don't know how much spice I wasted vaping it out of this glass steamroller pipe I had. It worked ok at times but not as much as the first time when I just chased it off aluminum foil. Since then I've gone with ashes/spice/ashes in a plain ole glass piece and it works like gangbusters. And then there's changa ... yummy
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