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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: Herbologist]
    #22344820 - 10/07/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL at gun grabbers still stinking up this thread with bullshit claims


:stupid:  :braindamage:



You're right, everyone should get to keep their guns until they kill someone.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods] * 1
    #22344827 - 10/07/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think the ATF should have seized her guns as soon as as the mother posted about this:

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she read aloud to her unborn son from Donald Trump's "The Art of The Deal"




On a side note, Donald trump causes autism.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22345555 - 10/07/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

really thats what you want people to read your posts and sieze guns based off of it?  News flash the entire shroomery would be gunless


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy] * 1
    #22413478 - 10/21/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If one other person in that classroom had a gun a lot of lives would have been saved.




that is a silly assumption. an armed student wouldn't even be ready for an attack. and even if someone had been ready and had been armed, who's to say that it wouldn't result in more lives being lost in the crossfire?




Let's put all this right wing bullshit to rest. I keep on having to learn this lesson: fact check everything that comes out of the mouths of conservatives. They have reality issues.

Oregon allows people with concealed carry permits to carry their guns on college campuses.

UCC Vice President Rebecca Redell:
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The student misconduct policy regarding firearms does not apply to students with a valid concealed weapons permit. There is a general prohibition against the possession of weapons on campus that would apply to College patrons, but this, similarly would not apply to those with valid concealed weapon permits pursuant to Oregon law (ORS 166.170).





There were people on that campus at the time of the shooting that were armed. Here's an interview with one of them


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413708 - 10/21/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your willingness to expose your lack of knowledge is astonishing. The only thing about you that is even more pathetic is your inability to man up and admit you're wrong.

There is indeed a state law allowing students and staff to carry.

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Oregon is one of seven states with provisions, either from state legislation or court rulings, that allow the carrying of concealed weapons on public postsecondary campuses, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The other states are Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Utah and Wisconsin.




http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/umpqua_community_college_not_a.html



However, there is a UCC prohibition on carrying weapons into buildings (you know, where the classrooms are)

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At issue was a state law declaring that only the state legislature could regulate the use, sale and possession of firearms. The following year, the Oregon state board of higher education approved a policy that banned guns from being brought inside campus buildings. However, the status of campus gun regulations has yet to be fully settled in the courts.




http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/04/oregon-shooting-state-universities-campus-gun-laws-concealed-carry



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The day after the vote, the Oregon State Board of Higher Education took up the issue, setting a policy that allows guns on campus, but bars them from college buildings and sporting venues. Umpqua Community College upholds this ban, making an allowance for those "expressly authorized by law or college regulations."




http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/umpquagunfree.asp



And as for the student with a weapon...

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A college employee talked them out of leaving to try to use their guns to save others. The active shooter could have taken them down first. Law enforcement officers already on the scene would not have known their guns would be used to defend students and instructors, not hurt them, he said.




http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/umpquagunfree.asp


So that leaves two questions...

Why don't you ever learn from your mistakes and why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22413738 - 10/21/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have a quote in my post from the Vice President of the School. She knows far more about this than you do, which is not surprising at all really. Listen to the interview - the guy with a gun specifically says the professor asked if anyone had a gun to help secure the classroom.

You're just flat wrong anot everything. Go home.

Here let me show you how you are wrong. Remember these are the words of a school official, not some know it all on the Internet. I'll make them really big so you can see.

The student misconduct policy regarding firearms does not apply to students with a valid concealed weapons permit. There is a general prohibition against the possession of weapons on campus that would apply to College patrons, but this, similarly would not apply to those with valid concealed weapon permits pursuant to Oregon law (ORS 166.170).


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413742 - 10/21/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have a quote in my post from the Vice President of the School. She knows far more about this than you do, which is not surprising at all really. Listen to the interview - the guy with a gun specifically says the professor asked if anyone had a gun to help secure the classroom.

You're just flat wrong anot everything. Go home.

Here let me show you how you are wrong. Remember these are the words of a school official, not some know it all on the Internet. I'll make them really big so you can see.

The student misconduct policy regarding firearms does not apply to students with a valid concealed weapons permit. There is a general prohibition against the possession of weapons on campus that would apply to College patrons, but this, similarly would not apply to those with valid concealed weapon permits pursuant to Oregon law (ORS 166.170).





Grow up ball-less wonder.

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Oregon's higher education board unanimously adopted a policy that will ban guns from most corners of campus life at the state's seven universities.

The university system's top priority is campus safety, said Jim Francesconi, member of the State Board of Higher Education, which met Friday for a regular meeting at Portland State University. "That is our job. We are just doing our job."

No one spoke against the policy, which will immediately ban guns from classrooms, buildings, dormitories and sporting and entertainment events.




http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/03/oregon_state_board_of_higher_e_7.html

Your butthurt when people demonstrate your lack of knowledge is amusing.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #22413750 - 10/21/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Face the facts, there were a number of students who were armed on a campus that allows concealed carry and none of them stopped the shooter.

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I have a quote in my post from the Vice President of the School. She knows far more about this than you do, which is not surprising at all really. Listen to the interview - the guy with a gun specifically says the professor asked if anyone had a gun to help secure the classroom.

You're just flat wrong anot everything. Go home.

Here let me show you how you are wrong. Remember these are the words of a school official, not some know it all on the Internet. I'll make them really big so you can see.

The student misconduct policy regarding firearms does not apply to students with a valid concealed weapons permit. There is a general prohibition against the possession of weapons on campus that would apply to College patrons, but this, similarly would not apply to those with valid concealed weapon permits pursuant to Oregon law (ORS 166.170).





Grow up ball-less wonder.

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Oregon's higher education board unanimously adopted a policy that will ban guns from most corners of campus life at the state's seven universities.

The university system's top priority is campus safety, said Jim Francesconi, member of the State Board of Higher Education, which met Friday for a regular meeting at Portland State University. "That is our job. We are just doing our job."

No one spoke against the policy, which will immediately ban guns from classrooms, buildings, dormitories and sporting and entertainment events.




http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/03/oregon_state_board_of_higher_e_7.html




The fucking Vice President of the school says people with concealed carry permit are allowed to have their guns on campus. She said it yesterday. END OF FUCKING ARGUMENT.

This is the problem with right wing tools - you can shove the facts in their face and they will continue to ignore reality.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22413766 - 10/21/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why you are quoting someone from the higher education board about the states seven universities I have no idea. Maybe you don't realize that UCC is not a university. Is that what you tell people? That you went to a university when you went to community college?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413769 - 10/21/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Face the facts, there were a number of students who were armed on a campus that allows concealed carry and no of them stopped the shooter.




Yup. That's a fact, as is the prohibition on guns in the buildings/classrooms.

Grow a pair. The links are there. They prove you wrong. Develop some testicular fortitude.

I've noticed the clueless are far more likely to say things like... "END OF FUCKING ARGUMENT." :lmafo:

That's always good for a laugh. How very like you to ignore all the links in opposition to your claims.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413774 - 10/21/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"no of them stopped the shooter"

So?  Being in a separate part of a large building doesn't allow someone with a gun to chase down some crazy person randomly shooting people, that's not the point.

The point is, if that shooter comes to their classroom or hallway, an armed person can POTENTIALLY defend themselves and the others around them.

If you're trying to make an argument that this specific incident somehow proves that self-defense with use of a gun isn't effective, you have failed.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22413783 - 10/21/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Public colleges like UCC are permitted to exclude concealed weapons from certain buildings and facilities but not the campus in general.




http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

Keep trying koodsie.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: qman]
    #22413785 - 10/21/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you have failed.




SOP for the koodsie.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: qman] * 1
    #22413791 - 10/21/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Face the facts, there were a number of students who were armed on a campus that allows concealed carry and no of them stopped the shooter.




Yup. That's a fact, as is the prohibition on guns in the buildings/classrooms.

Grow a pair. The links are there. They prove you wrong. Develop some testicular fortitude.

I've noticed the clueless are far more likely to say things like... "END OF FUCKING ARGUMENT." :lmafo:

That's always good for a laugh. How very like you to ignore all the links in opposition to your claims.




Do you not know how to read? Show me the part where it says this policy applies anywhere but the states seven universities!
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"no of them stopped the shooter"

So?  Being in a separate part of a large building doesn't allow someone with a gun to chase down some crazy person randomly shooting people, that's not the point.

The point is, if that shooter comes to their classroom or hallway, an armed person can POTENTIALLY defend themselves and the others around them.

If you're trying to make an argument that this specific incident somehow proves that self-defense with use of a gun isn't effective, you have failed.




Lol. When you guys though it was a gun free campus you said it wouldn't happen if they allowed guns. Now that you know it isn't a gun free campus, you have to dial back your claims,


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22413800 - 10/21/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Public colleges like UCC are permitted to exclude concealed weapons from certain buildings and facilities but not the campus in general.




http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

Keep trying koodsie.




And the quote from the school official trumps that. She says the gun policy does not apply to people with concealed carry permits. The guy with the gun in the Interview also confirms this.

"John Parker Jr., a veteran and student at UCC, spoke with MSNBC and revealed that he was in a campus building with a concealed handgun when the shooting started. He suggested other students with him at the time were also carrying concealed handguns."


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413802 - 10/21/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Public colleges like UCC are permitted to exclude concealed weapons from certain buildings and facilities but not the campus in general.




http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

Keep trying koodsie.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods] * 1
    #22413807 - 10/21/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And the quote from the school official trumps that. She says the gun policy does not apply to people with concealed carry permits. The guy with the gun in the Interview also confirms this.




Of course it does. :lmafo:

I'm sure that because she's a school official she never says anything to burnish the image of the school or herself.

I'll place more faith in the reporters and Snopes.

Thanks for playing and the entertainment. Watching you make a fool of yourself never gets old.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #22413819 - 10/21/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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John Parker Jr., a veteran and student at UCC, spoke with MSNBC and revealed that he was in a campus building with a concealed handgun when the shooting started. He suggested other students with him at the time were also carrying concealed handguns.




So you can't believe the school official. You won't believe the guy who said ON CAMERA that he had a gun and was in classroom,

You worry about gun free zone. We should all worry about the fact free zone you live in.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods]
    #22413822 - 10/21/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

koods said:
Face the facts, there were a number of students who were armed on a campus that allows concealed carry and no of them stopped the shooter.




Yup. That's a fact, as is the prohibition on guns in the buildings/classrooms.

Grow a pair. The links are there. They prove you wrong. Develop some testicular fortitude.

I've noticed the clueless are far more likely to say things like... "END OF FUCKING ARGUMENT." :lmafo:

That's always good for a laugh. How very like you to ignore all the links in opposition to your claims.




Do you not know how to read? Show me the part where it says this policy applies anywhere but the states seven universities!
Quote:

qman said:
"no of them stopped the shooter"

So?  Being in a separate part of a large building doesn't allow someone with a gun to chase down some crazy person randomly shooting people, that's not the point.

The point is, if that shooter comes to their classroom or hallway, an armed person can POTENTIALLY defend themselves and the others around them.

If you're trying to make an argument that this specific incident somehow proves that self-defense with use of a gun isn't effective, you have failed.




Lol. When you guys though it was a gun free campus you said it wouldn't happen if they allowed guns. Now that you know it isn't a gun free campus, you have to dial back your claims,




Well, maybe people have made those claims, I didn't.  These types of tragedies can happen with or without "gun free" campuses. With that being said, I'll take my chances with having the legal right to have a gun under those circumstances.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: koods] * 1
    #22413833 - 10/21/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd worry too if I lived in a fact free zone. However, links to the info was provided. You just don't like them.

Now, pull your head out of that air-free zone you keep it lodged in.


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