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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22337894 - 10/05/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd rather take my chance with the crossfire than be executed.



That is seriously one of the stupidest posts I have ever seen here and I have seen a bunch.




Yes, but not quite as stupid as this one>

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If one other person in that classroom had a gun a lot of lives would have been saved.




So students should go to class carrying guns? :brilliant:
Not like that would lead to more them being shot in school is it, when some kid takes offence at something someone said/did/thought...bang.

Maybe the tutor should be the one carrying the gun, again, fucking :brilliant:
Like the lunatic wouldn't know where the teacher might be sitting would he, you know, cos he's a lunatic and incapable of reasoning.

The lunatics always seem to be suicidal, in that they often save a bullet for themselves. They just want to take people out with them, so the fact their going to die that day is neither here nor there.




Are you slow?  Yeah, any sane person who wants to pack should be allowed to.  And it shouldn't just be the teacher because the asshole will know to take them out first  You are a victim waiting to happen.  They kill themselves only after the guns show up against them.  Wouldn't it be great if the guns show up in the first five seconds?




Of course it would be better, but would it ofset the number of extra fatalities in schools due to volatile teens getting the arsehole when confronted with some percieved slight, or jonny sees katie kissing jim bob. Are you slow?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22337897 - 10/05/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you assume college students are hoodrat gang members who can't control themselves in polite company?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22337898 - 10/05/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you need to learn to read again zappa. my assumption here has nothing to do with the emotional stability of civilian gun owners and everything to do with their inability to handle themselves well during a fire fight. civilian gun owners just don't have that level of training or experience to be effective in those scenarios. and even then, like i said, it doesn't matter if you're rambo when someone just runs up and starts shooting.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22337913 - 10/05/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you need to learn to read again zappa. my assumption here has nothing to do with the emotional stability of civilian gun owners and everything to do with their incapability to handle themselves well during a fire fight.




How could it be worse?  You pull out your gun and shoot at the guy.  Maybe a few others get grazed but they will have time to run, take cover while the defender is laying down suppressing fire even if he doesn't take the asshole out right away.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22337935 - 10/05/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how could it be worse? more people injured and dying. the shooter has the advantage in this scenario, not someone who's sitting down, concentrating on lecture. that has nothing to do with any sort of prejudice i have against gun owners but rather common sense.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22337957 - 10/05/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how could it be worse? more people injured and dying. the shooter has the advantage in this scenario, not someone who's sitting down, concentrating on lecture. that has nothing to do with any sort of prejudice i have against gun owners but rather common sense.



What the fuck are you babbling about?  The asshole pulled the gun, asked everybody who was Christian to stand up and proceeded to execute them.  One other gun in the room and he might not get anybody.  Do you know who would be the victim of surprise in that scenario?  The asshole.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22337966 - 10/05/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is really not that hard to pull a gun out, point it at someone, and shoot. You're acting like just because the gun man is standing there that anyone with a gun is totally helpless. All it takes is for him to look away for literally 1 second, and the entire situation can end right there.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22338012 - 10/05/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's hard to get up out of your seat, draw down on someone and fire in a second when you aren't expecting to have to do so, and nobody sitting in a classroom would be. as i've said, most people with professional training would be incredible if they pulled that off.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22338023 - 10/05/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck are you babbling about?  The asshole pulled the gun, asked everybody who was Christian to stand up and proceeded to execute them.  One other gun in the room and he might not get anybody.  Do you know who would be the victim of surprise in that scenario?  The asshole.




so it's completely inconceivable that the shooter could've just seen someone drawing a weapon and shot them first?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22338050 - 10/05/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck are you babbling about?  The asshole pulled the gun, asked everybody who was Christian to stand up and proceeded to execute them.  One other gun in the room and he might not get anybody.  Do you know who would be the victim of surprise in that scenario?  The asshole.




so it's completely inconceivable that the shooter could've just seen someone drawing a weapon and shot them first?



Not inconceivable but the surprise would have been on him..  How long do you think it takes to pull out a gun?  One second.  You prefer that to everybody in the room being a sitting duck?  You are a victim waiting to happen and your attitude endangers everybody since we do not have adequate nut control in this country.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22338054 - 10/05/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The gun isn't locked up with a combination lock.. It's most likely going to be in a concealed holster in their waistband towards their backside, still fully accessible while sitting.

Here look at this dude so drunk he can't even hold onto the damn thing, while not having it in a holster (which means it's gonna get caught on clothing instead of sliding out easily) and instead having it in the worst spot imaginable to be accessible while sitting, in the back of a police car, do it.



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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22338099 - 10/05/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you're going into a room to shoot people. someone shooting back is probably something you may be watching out for. the shooter returned fire with the police in this case. they had multiple advantages, namely numbers, training and the element of surprise. why didn't they get the drop on him then?

moreover, i'm just hedging my bets on untrained, unprepared people making a mass shooting worse while you are not. ad hominem attacks regarding my alleged lack of courage make this less of a serious conversation.

and shroomslip - one example that backs your claim does not disprove my general point.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22338121 - 10/05/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you're going into a room to shoot people. someone shooting back is probably something you may be watching out for. the shooter returned fire with the police in this case. they had multiple advantages, namely numbers, training and the element of surprise. why didn't they get the drop on him then?

moreover, i'm just hedging my bets on untrained, unprepared people making a mass shooting worse while you are not. ad hominem attacks regarding my alleged lack of courage make this less of a serious conversation.

and shroomslip - one example that backs your claim does not disprove my general point.




Do you not realize that these places are gun free zones where people are forbidden to carry?  Thus you guarantee that only lunatic murderers will be armed.  Well done, victim in waiting.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22338149 - 10/05/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

and again, ad hominem attacks don't move this conversation forward.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22338155 - 10/05/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently there is nothing that can advance this conversation.  You would rather sit there and get shot by an asshole than fight back.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy] * 2
    #22338156 - 10/05/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rolleyes: You can keep carrying on like it's totally impractical and would be useless all you want. Facts say otherwise. A gun behind you in a holster can be pulled out in a second or so by someone even remotely sober. They are specifically designed to allow guns to be pulled fast in emergency situations. That is their entire function. Anyone legally carrying a gun on their person isn't stuffing it in their boxers like a thug. It's gonna be in holster. Due to the way we sit down, it's also pretty much necessitated the holster be at your sides or usually, more towards your back.

Unless you are literally the only person there, he is not going to be watching you the entire time, it's an impossibility. Our peripheral vision is not tuned to fine movements. He puts all you together in a tight huddle he can't see your hands/arms too well. But then let's be real. Some crazy asshole walks into a classroom with a gun, he last thing on his mind is that someone else may have one. Why? Because we see this shit happen often enough and it never really ends with "student pulls gun is a hero". The only time a "hero" is even mentioned is when someone charged the gunman. That doesn't really happen often though. So no, he has no reason to assume he needs to watch all of you like a hawk.

And your logic is stupid as fuck honestly. "Students shouldn't carry guns and try to save themselves because more people MAY get shot that way. We should just cross our fingers and hope for the best. If he wants to shoot everyone in the room, that's fine. As long as it was only him doing the shooting. If someone fired at him to try and stop and managed to kill everyone in the room, well that would just be bad."


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy] * 2
    #22338167 - 10/05/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd rather have a chance with a gun of my own than no chance at all without a weapon.
In the event I have to face a gun fight with someone I expect I may be shot, but at least I know I stand a fighting chance being able to return fire.


Most people who CCW train with their weapon. They are not these wild west yokels you try to make them out to be.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: joe666] * 1
    #22338169 - 10/05/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's not impractical to share opinions and ideas, holy fuck, you people are being whipped into a frenzy because why?


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: millzy]
    #22338228 - 10/05/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how could it be worse? more people injured and dying. the shooter has the advantage in this scenario, not someone who's sitting down, concentrating on lecture. that has nothing to do with any sort of prejudice i have against gun owners but rather common sense.




One person amongst dozens who the shooter does not know has a gun has an obvious advantage once the shooter starts shooting people. He can't closely watch everyone.

You act like people are saying to just give all students guns We're talking about not banning people with carry permits from carrying on campus. They carry everywhere else they go and don't end up shooting up people why do you think they would do it when at school? You have to undergo an extensive background and mental health check as well as take a 8-12 hour class to get your permit. Most people with permits shoot/train atleast somewhat reguarly. You're talking out your ass.


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Re: Shooting at Oregon college [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22338264 - 10/05/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

he was just giving his opinion. :shrug: then you all immediately went for the jugular.


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