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obladi oblada



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If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have?
#22318794 - 10/01/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have 6 quart, 1 pint, and 6 half-pint WBS jars that were filled half with grain, but now that they are colonized the jars look like 65% full. I am trying to see how much coir etc I'd need (hopefully with a pint to spare for G2G.)
Also while I am at it I will ask ... My impression is that the monotub recipe doesn't have to be too precise ... though maybe as far as water content ... I'm thinking I'll have some coir, verm, perlite and some peat moss? Does this sound good?
Thanks
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22318822 - 10/01/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're mixing a volcanic glass (perlite) in with your substrate? Why? What nutrients will adding pellets of glass supply? And why peat moss? That's a casing material, not a bulk substrate material.
Each quart jar half full still counts as a quart jar of spawn.
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obladi oblada



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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: Inocuole]
#22318931 - 10/01/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm... =| I don't know what that would add.
So just verm and coir is enough? I will just use Daimon5050's again then.
Wow, lots of spawn )) Thank you
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: Inocuole]
#22318947 - 10/01/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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verm is for water retention and perlite is for drainage, you dont do drainage in monotubs..
the ONLY time ive added perlite to a substrate mix is when I did qts of pf tek cakes, i added perlite just so I could break up the large cakes by beating the jars and breaking it up for spawn.
BUT.. if you have one qt and its only half full, you have a half of a qt.
the amount of spawn needed is determined by the amount of substrate being used.
personally I go 1:2. half the spawn as substrate used.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: 13shrooms]
#22318968 - 10/01/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Each quart jar half full still counts as a quart jar of spawn.
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13shrooms said:
BUT.. if you have one qt and its only half full, you have a half of a qt.
the amount of spawn needed is determined by the amount of substrate being used.
personally I go 1:2. half the spawn as substrate used. 
The question remains!
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22318985 - 10/01/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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obladi oblada said:
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Inocuole said: Each quart jar half full still counts as a quart jar of spawn.
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13shrooms said:
BUT.. if you have one qt and its only half full, you have a half of a qt.
the amount of spawn needed is determined by the amount of substrate being used.
personally I go 1:2. half the spawn as substrate used. 
The question remains!
Okay, when a tek says add 5 quarts of spawn, it means add 5 quart jars of spawn, you don't have to add 10 quart jars half full. This discussion has been had tons of times in the past here.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: Inocuole]
#22319041 - 10/01/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22319077 - 10/01/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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13 is still correct though, 1:2 is a great ratio.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22319159 - 10/01/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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obladi oblada said: I have 6 quart, 1 pint, and 6 half-pint WBS jars that were filled half with grain, but now that they are colonized the jars look like 65% full. I am trying to see how much coir etc I'd need (hopefully with a pint to spare for G2G.)
6qts + 1pt + 6 half pts = 7qts spawn
you want to save 1 for G2G, 7 - 1 = 6
so you need 12qts of coir/verm in total for a 1:2 ratio
1 brick of coir expands to 8-9 qts hydrated
you add 3qts of fine verm or 2 of med chunky verm (doesnt really matter +/-)
9 + 3 = 12
6qts of spawn to 12 qts of substrate = 1:2 spawn/sub
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: 13shrooms]
#22319244 - 10/01/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, it's been taking too long for me to figure that out. But wont I have 8 quarts? 6 quarts = 6 1 pint = .5 6 half pints = 1.5 = 8
- 1 pint for G2G
= 7.5
Using 1:2 ratio, I'd need 15q substrate
1 and 1/2 bricks of coir expands to 12q Add 3q verm???
Daimon5050's tek says I should use about 6q water for this.
All seems well.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22319265 - 10/01/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well okay, there's some confusion because there's two ways to measure the specs of a tub.
The standard monotub using damion's tek calls for 5 quart jars of spawn, that's not 5 actual quarts there, he actually means quart jars, you can see it in the picture.
Now, when you start talking about spawning with ratios, that's when you want to count those jars as half quarts, or however much they are. That's because you want to actually meet an exact volume.
So, teks are like "Just throw in this many jars, it'll work I swear" and they're not wrong. But if you want to know what ratio you're using of spawn to bulk, then you have to account for the exact volume rather than the number of jars. The ratio Damion uses works, but I don't think it's a proper 1:2.
I hope that helps curb any misunderstanding.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: Inocuole]
#22319332 - 10/01/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That makes sense. It just gets confusing when talking this and that ... It sounds like 13Shrooms is treating my jars as spawn volume ... but if I end up with something closer to 1:3 it won't hurt.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: obladi oblada]
#22319336 - 10/01/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right. You could put all your spawn in there or you could just put the quart jars and save the rest for expansion or something. Either would still produce quite well. You can get down to like 1:4 or 1:5 and still be alright, but that's a waste of bulk in the opinion of most.
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Re: If I only filled grain jars halfway, how many quarts of spawn do I have? [Re: Inocuole]
#22319388 - 10/01/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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