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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319182 - 10/01/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: That was a really lackluster explanation, even the people who've posted in here already should know more than me on that, I just picked up what I've learned here from some of the biologists and such that come through.
And this whole time I thought you were parroting my post :V
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319208 - 10/01/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: That was a really lackluster explanation, even the people who've posted in here already should know more than me on that, I just picked up what I've learned here from some of the biologists and such that come through.
im interested in how they grow as well. They break down nutrients on a molecular level, but do you know how they actually use the nutrients to grow. And how does their environment affect growth? I assume they require high humidity because they're largely made up of water, but theres more to it than that.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Dboy]
#22319245 - 10/01/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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They don't require high humidity, they require lots of water. High humidity just keeps them from losing water, if there's a supply of water like a week long light rain, or someone misting them several times a day, they don't actually need the humidity to be high, they can actively transport water to where it's needed very well.
They do break down things on a molecular level but they're picky about which things they break down. They seem to favor various stages of dead organic matter, some things are better being kind of fresh, some things are better having been composted, and then other things still, like coir, perform better just having been cooked. It's hard to say what takes place to aid digestion when it's different with every substrate. We know that they don't like straight fertilizer/nutrients, and prefer to break something down to get what they need.
A lot more would be available for reading without having to just be in the right place at the right time if this could get funding, like I said. Most of what I know about this, I read in some thread whose topic wasn't even about the thing that I learned. Sometimes people just come out of the woodwork and share gems when you lurk in certain places.
I wish I knew more but I feel satisfied with the effort to knowledge ratio this place offers. If you just keep an eye out on all the happenings here you'll never be toooo far behind the leading edge of progress.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319371 - 10/01/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: They don't require high humidity, they require lots of water. High humidity just keeps them from losing water, if there's a supply of water like a week long light rain, or someone misting them several times a day, they don't actually need the humidity to be high, they can actively transport water to where it's needed very well.
Do you actually believe what you are saying there?
Why do you case? Why do you use perlite?
Why do they grow underground?
If humidity didn't matter you wouldn't do any of these things.
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A lot more would be available for reading without having to just be in the right place at the right time if this could get funding, like I said. Most of what I know about this, I read in some thread whose topic wasn't even about the thing that I learned. Sometimes people just come out of the woodwork and share gems when you lurk in certain places.
Generally one can look at other similar fungi >.>
That would take some thought, though :V
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22319400 - 10/01/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said:
Do you actually believe what you are saying there?
Yes, I do. Do you believe everything you read in a book?
If a surface was constantly maintained with light misting it would never need a casing or perlite. Both help obviously, but neither are required.
If you did open air fruit you'd want a casing, and if you did fruit something uncased, you'd probably want a SGFC full of perlite, but that's besides the point. Humidity isn't a need, it's a luxury.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319422 - 10/01/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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failtroll, you are trying too hard
/thread
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22319433 - 10/01/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You just do this everywhere don't you? You don't have any argument, you just want to discredit anything that doesn't fit into your paradigm. This is coming from the guy who argued with Pasty and Mad Season about what constitutes "mist".
Have you ever fruited in open air? Do you not understand? Is your brain incapable?
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319784 - 10/01/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You just do this everywhere don't you? You don't have any argument, you just want to discredit anything that doesn't fit into your paradigm. This is coming from the guy who argued with Pasty and Mad Season about what constitutes "mist".
Have you ever fruited in open air? Do you not understand? Is your brain incapable?
what is this "mist" of which you speak. i must know more
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Dboy]
#22319795 - 10/01/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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From a spray bottle. Any old spray bottle. A repurposed windex bottle, one for plants, one for.. fuck I dunno, lens cleaner? Pesticide misters work too. I used one for a while before I pumped too much pressure into it and it split the seam. I still use it, it's just plugged with silicone so I can't pump it as much as before.
I assume you're just asking for fun, rather than for an answer though. Either way, someone will come upon this and want to know.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22319982 - 10/01/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you two are pathetic
you don't think i noticed this dumb charade from the get-go
generally i play along, but this is just awful :v
at leasat *try* to make it sound sincere?
1/10, you did a much better job in that other thread
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22320021 - 10/01/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: This is coming from the guy who argued with Pasty and Mad Season about what constitutes "mist".
now that was funny.
everybody is so opposed to opposing views that they think everybody else is a troll.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22320022 - 10/01/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get it, you have this shtick where you like to be the wrench in the cog, but I'm not trolling, I'm actually offering what I know to this guy's thread. What are you doing other than stirring up shit? You haven't reasonably disproved anything, you just keep trying the same old tired straw man shit. You don't care about the topic, that much is clear.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22320080 - 10/01/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
now that was funny.
everybody is so opposed to opposing views that they think everybody else is a troll.
Youre buying this crap? 
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Inocuole said: If you did open air fruit you'd want a casing, and if you did fruit something uncased, you'd probably want a SGFC full of perlite, but that's besides the point. Humidity isn't a need, it's a luxury.
i see why people here are deperately clinging on to something another member wrote a long time ago like it's old testament
think for yourselves for once, just try to use common fucking sense
"humidity doesnt matter.. but like.. it makes a difference it just doesn't"
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22320092 - 10/01/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I get it, you have this shtick where you like to be the wrench in the cog, but I'm not trolling, I'm actually offering what I know to this guy's thread. What are you doing other than stirring up shit? You haven't reasonably disproved anything, you just keep trying the same old tired straw man shit. You don't care about the topic, that much is clear.
you're not even using the term "straw man" properly
google is your friend
the straw man is saying it doesn't matter in one particular case
which is still wrong
and no, i dont care anymore because it has turned into inane babbling with no logic whatsoever
replying with incorrectly used logical fallacies is a pretty good sign, anyway
if you want to have intelligent conversation, try saying something intelligent for once
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22320094 - 10/01/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sitting here thinking you're the troll. I have no clue what you're talking about
Talk about ruining a thread. Poor OP
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22320105 - 10/01/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I'm sitting here thinking you're the troll. I have no clue what you're talking about
Talk about ruining a thread. Poor OP 
yeah, right
i guess i'm the only one with any insight here
i don't care either way because i already know i'm correct
oh, i'll give you a hint
just in the off-chance you care
look back at that quote
if you can't see how he completely contradicted himself in one line then everyone here is beyond help anyway
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22320113 - 10/01/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humidity is the crutch which increases the time it takes for a substrate to need rehydrating. It makes a difference in how often you have to rehydrate the substrate.
To be clear, this still creates humidity on the surface for the time it takes for any moisture to evaporate from the surface. Ambient humidity just isn't the end-all factor in whether a mushroom life cycle can complete. Surface humidity will happen anyway when the substrate is properly hydrated. It's not worth focusing on humidity as its own factor though. It's not a measurement that tells you anything in particular about how well a grow will do.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22320117 - 10/01/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you already said you want perlite
the only point to perlite is humidity
just stop
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: micro]
#22320125 - 10/01/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now you're pulling shit out of context, seriously dude, stop. If you were being tactful being a dick would be totally fine but you're just being retarded. Perlite does provide humidity, I'm glad you know that, I can't imagine what that has to do with the biological needs of a fucking organism.
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Re: Can we talk the "Science" of Mushroom Cultivation? (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22320161 - 10/01/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: To be clear, this still creates humidity on the surface for the time it takes for any moisture to evaporate from the surface.
okay, stop
let's deconstruct this nonsense
"this still creates humidity on the surface for the time it takes for any moisture to evaporate"
"this creates humidity on the surface for the [amount of] time it takes for any moisture to evaporate"
First off, do you understand how diffusion works?
If there is more H2O(g) in the air, water takes longer to evaporate.
So yes, it does "[make] a difference in how often you have to rehydrate the substrate" you have to rehydrate the substrate less if there is more humidity.
If you don't believe me, you really need to re-take Physics.
Second off, perlite doesn't create humidity on the surface of anything.
Water evaporates from it, and the perlite is lower than anything else.
Once water evaporates it is a gas, it doesn't "hang around" the surface.
It will take the shape of whatever container it is in, just like every other gas.
Again, Physics 101
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Ambient humidity just isn't the end-all factor in whether a mushroom life cycle can complete. Surface humidity will happen anyway when the substrate is properly hydrated. It's not worth focusing on humidity as its own factor though. It's not a measurement that tells you anything in particular about how well a grow will do.
well, no shit
it is a balance and you want to get thigs close as you can to optimal
one of those things is HUMIDITY
you stated if you had it out in the open it would be a problem. you know why?
because all that humidity would no longer be in the container; it would evaporate
if it wasn't humidity, i ask you good sir, what the hell is going on
please don't try to re-write the laws of physics to fit your argument :v
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