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Gyleveidys
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P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation
#22317263 - 10/01/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey folks,
Lovely season to all 
Lately I've been doing some research into proven techniques of semilanceata cultivation indoors and outdoors. What I have found through searching the web is three historical (some might say legendary) attempts: Gartz's attempt under lab conditions in 1992, Workman's attempt of 2005 well documented on shroomery board and CaptainFuture's trial of 2009 documented on mycotopia.
Though results vary, none of these trials seems to be documented too well (so that procedure could be repeated precisely) and none gave a clear and definite result.
Is there anyone else out there investigating into possibilities of semilanceata cultivation (both or either indoor/outdoor)? Ar you guys aware of any other historical and documented attempts to do this? Have you been trying this yourself?
Since the season for picking up mycelium for cultivation is open, I hope to initiate a fruitful discussion on the topic.
Cheers!
Edited by Gyleveidys (10/01/15 02:34 AM)
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22317395 - 10/01/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have been curious about semilanceata for a long time, but it doesn't look like anyone has had any success at all. and yet my local vendor sells spore syringes of these: http://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/spores-cubensis/psilocybe-semilanceata/
i remember back in the day (10+ years ago) there were people talking about growing on grass seeds, but i don't remember ever seeing a picture of an indoor grown liberty cap.
i wonder if these are supposed to achieve some kind of symbiosis with some other organism, like grass.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22317644 - 10/01/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr pulled it off. I don't know exactly where the thread is, but this came up in a search
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21138075#21138075
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Sksoul]
#22317768 - 10/01/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep crons done it a couple times. Don't ask him how many hundreds of quarts he's run tho. Most of the time they do fuck all indoors then he buries them outside and they take off. The variables are minute and still undefined. There won't be a "tek" for them anytime soon.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22318013 - 10/01/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Yep crons done it a couple times. Don't ask him how many hundreds of quarts he's run tho. Most of the time they do fuck all indoors then he buries them outside and they take off. The variables are minute and still undefined. There won't be a "tek" for them anytime soon.
so outdoor cultivation is doable?
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22318053 - 10/01/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Yep crons done it a couple times. Don't ask him how many hundreds of quarts he's run tho. Most of the time they do fuck all indoors then he buries them outside and they take off. The variables are minute and still undefined. There won't be a "tek" for them anytime soon.
so outdoor cultivation is doable?
Absolutely.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22318132 - 10/01/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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never thought of doing a search on 'liberty caps' instead of semilanceata...
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Pastywhyte said: Yep crons done it a couple times. Don't ask him how many hundreds of quarts he's run tho. Most of the time they do fuck all indoors then he buries them outside and they take off. The variables are minute and still undefined. There won't be a "tek" for them anytime soon.
so outdoor cultivation is doable?
Absolutely.
oh kewl! i will add that to my list of things to try.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22318551 - 10/01/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, that is the thing I am willing to try. I have an easily accessible several hectare pasture in which I have found some lib spots, though not too many, this year. I would like to try to convert this pasture into a "psilocybin meadow". So the task is to multiply mycelium throughout the winter and then plant it outside in late spring (after the frost risk will be gone). If I succeed, I hope to have much more libs showing up next fall.
As I can see from the most detailed and recent CaptainFuture's attempt to cultivate semis indoors, geting mycelium to grow and colonize a substrate is not a difficult task at all. What is more difficult is to get those shrooms to fruit under indoor conditions - a step, which is unneccessary in my case.
What do you guys think about this feat?
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22318642 - 10/01/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fill yer boots. Making the spawn is easy and if the destination is outside it will be fine.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22319331 - 10/01/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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considering the difficulty and low yield of indoor attempts, and the fact that in nature these mushrooms are often found spread out over an area...
could it be that they react to a minimum total size, distance or surface area of mycelium, as opposed to total mass?
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22319408 - 10/01/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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never thought of doing a search on 'liberty caps' instead of semilanceata...
haha i did the same a couple years ago!
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Gyleveidys said: Actually, that is the thing I am willing to try. I have an easily accessible several hectare pasture in which I have found some lib spots, though not too many, this year. I would like to try to convert this pasture into a "psilocybin meadow". So the task is to multiply mycelium throughout the winter and then plant it outside in late spring (after the frost risk will be gone). If I succeed, I hope to have much more libs showing up next fall.
As I can see from the most detailed and recent CaptainFuture's attempt to cultivate semis indoors, geting mycelium to grow and colonize a substrate is not a difficult task at all. What is more difficult is to get those shrooms to fruit under indoor conditions - a step, which is unneccessary in my case.
What do you guys think about this feat?
actually if you read his grow logs on here you will see colonizing was the worst part, it can take over a month sometimes two to colonize what a cube would do in 10 days casing layers are key and some good temp flucuations and lots of light...possibly throwing them at a wall too
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#22319477 - 10/01/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#22321851 - 10/02/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have red the logs and I know cubes are so much more easy to cultivate, so I take it for granted that semis will be a task of a different order.
However, I have the whole winter to prepare the mycelium until the spring will hit back. Hence, slow colonization is not a problem in this case. My concern, instead, is a proper colonization which would yield fruits next fall after being transplanted outdoors in late spring.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22321868 - 10/02/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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they fruit very easily outdoors so there is no worries there, start with agar go to grain from the re to straw/manure and get it ouside burried and top off with a casing layer, can also plant some grass seed on top but i never bothered the last times just burried it in the grass
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#22321977 - 10/02/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As I understand agar and possibly grains too are steps neccessary if one is growing the culture from the spores. But what if I'm willing to multiply mycelium brought from the pasture, would I simply place it on a straw/manure substrate and that would be it?
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22321987 - 10/02/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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doesn't sound like a promising plan, often there are other molds along with it and bacteria's
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#22322074 - 10/02/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i came across this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2102193 and this: http://www.thehawkseye.com/hispanica/hisp.html P. hispanica apparently is a close relative to semilanceata and much easier to grow.
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#22322086 - 10/02/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why then nor Workman nor CaptainFuture didn't use agar? They both started from grass seed or rye grain spawn. Could you clarify this?
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22323196 - 10/02/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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they started on agar and took the agar to grain
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Re: P. Semilanceata indoor/outdoor cultivation [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22323203 - 10/02/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DaveyJones6911 said: i came across this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2102193 and this: http://www.thehawkseye.com/hispanica/hisp.html P. hispanica apparently is a close relative to semilanceata and much easier to grow.
yes they are fairly easy to grow but not as strong
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