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Metabolite dilemma
    #22316701 - 09/30/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I'm torn on what to do about these metabolites, almost on day 6 of colonization. No abnormal smell to report on besides the regular smell of mush when i opened the tub to take a pic. Should i leave these pools for now or dab them up with a paper towel? I'll be going out of town on late friday evening (Day 7) until monday evening so I won't be here to monitor and i'm not sure what to do. I know i could maybe fruit it on 7 days and hope the fae will evap some of that up. Any help is appreciated though  :psychsplit:



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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316707 - 09/30/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If that's the casing layer then I would go ahead and fruit it. But that's just me


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316710 - 09/30/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fruit that shit now dude


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316712 - 09/30/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it hasn't even been 7 days though :eek:


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316719 - 09/30/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is it 100% colonized?


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: impatientguy]
    #22316721 - 09/30/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If that's the casing layer then I would go ahead and fruit it. But that's just me




Just spawn and sub


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316725 - 09/30/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Is it 100% colonized?




there's a piece of corn where the top of it's only partially colonized, and a few tiny tiny patches of barely covered substrate


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316728 - 09/30/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316731 - 09/30/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

He's right...:whathesaid:
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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316734 - 09/30/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.



:whathesaid:

FAE ASAP.  also monitor the tub for stinky smells and signs of mold


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316736 - 09/30/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.




I didn't think anything was wrong with it, it smelled fine and the water was initially just water when it first started to collect excessively, then turned yellow. I did use a bit much spore solution in each spawn bag as it was my first time which could maybe account for the extra moisture build up?


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: FriedEgg]
    #22316742 - 09/30/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.



:whathesaid:

FAE ASAP.  also monitor the tub for stinky smells and signs of mold




I don't have any polyfill on hand but i could go to the walmart right now if it's really necessary. Tub smells fine, light mushroom smell. Nothing overpowering or seemingly out of place


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316743 - 09/30/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.




I didn't think anything was wrong with it, it smelled fine and the water was initially just water when it first started to collect excessively, then turned yellow. I did use a bit much spore solution in each spawn bag as it was my first time which could maybe account for the extra moisture build up?



if you injected spores directly into your spawn bag thats probably why it's not healthy


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: FriedEgg]
    #22316748 - 09/30/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well obviously something is wrong so I would get it fresh air ASAP.




I didn't think anything was wrong with it, it smelled fine and the water was initially just water when it first started to collect excessively, then turned yellow. I did use a bit much spore solution in each spawn bag as it was my first time which could maybe account for the extra moisture build up?



if you injected spores directly into your spawn bag thats probably why it's not healthy

you should clean up those spores on agar before you use them on grain





this was my first time growing and agar didn't seem very necessary :S i've seen plenty of people inject spawn bags with spores

the bags colonized fine, with no metabolites or any other bad signs


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316749 - 09/30/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Too much spore solution is the reason it's too wet? :/.. I think it just needs to get dried up a bit. Probably from the substrate not being at field capacity when you made it. Just get it lots of fae. Keep it glistening/with beads of water. Mist when needed


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Mad Season]
    #22316752 - 09/30/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

should i go out and get some polyfill now? where in walmart would i find it, it's 1am and don't want to wonder around there too long


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    #22316754 - 09/30/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you have a pillow you hate you can use the stuffing no problem


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316758 - 09/30/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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should i go out and get some polyfill now? where in walmart would i find it, it's 1am and don't want to wonder around there too long



that would be preferable.  but if it were me, i would un-tape 2 of the holes and then go buy polyfill in the morning.  (it's inside pillows).  just buy a cheap $3 pillow and tear it open :thumbup:


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: FriedEgg]
    #22316764 - 09/30/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

does polyfill need to be cleaned before being placed in the holes?


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316768 - 09/30/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316769 - 09/30/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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should i go out and get some polyfill now? where in walmart would i find it, it's 1am and don't want to wonder around there too long



It's usually in the back near the section that sells fabric or crafts...I buy the actual Poly-fil kind, but there are several kinds...usually comes in a clear, pillow-shaped bag. It's super cheap...$5 or less for a ton of it.
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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Darkhome]
    #22316775 - 09/30/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

and is there any specific way i should be packing my holes to get rid of this excess water/metabolites? besides the loose up top tight on the bottom?


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316779 - 09/30/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and is there any specific way i should be packing my holes to get rid of this excess water/metabolites? besides the loose up top tight on the bottom?



you should be fine with that. 

but if you like to live dangerously, you could leave the bottom holes loose until you see the excess water evaporate, then proceed to dial it in


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316787 - 09/30/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd start off with at least half the top holes unstuffed, and tight on the bottom until the metabolites get a little bit controlled lol. It's easier to just adjust the top holes/take poly out for fae imo.


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Mad Season]
    #22316853 - 09/30/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316872 - 09/30/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316896 - 09/30/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I would do less in the top that thing is wet




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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: godform]
    #22316916 - 09/30/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

do you think with a ceiling fan, indirect standing fan and central AC ill be good on fae for the night?


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    #22316922 - 10/01/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah careful not to get too much.


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316939 - 10/01/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Once you get it a little dryer...use this to Dial it in...if you haven't read it yet...the evaporation patterns let you know you are in good shape.

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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22316950 - 10/01/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Once you get it a little dryer...use this to Dial it in...if you haven't read it yet...the evaporation patterns let you know you are in good shape.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777




have ready many times now aha..
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Yeah careful not to get too much.




im not all to worried about this sub drying up over night,


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    #22316969 - 10/01/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely :smile: and if the surface dries, just mist it til you see those crystal glistles with no pooling water :smile:


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Mad Season]
    #22316975 - 10/01/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thank you a lot to all of you, definitely a very helpful first thread for me. you all have been a+. i'll update in the morning.


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    #22316979 - 10/01/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:billymaythumbup::goodluck:


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Darkhome]
    #22318570 - 10/01/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so i woke up and it was still a little wet, restuffed the bottom polyfill looser for today and dabbed up the pooling metabolites with a piece of folded paper towel


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    #22318593 - 10/01/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

here's what it looks like right now



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    #22318598 - 10/01/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks much better to me. Still quite bacterial, but it looks like it wants to flush. Keep it glistening :smile:


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    #22318632 - 10/01/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks much better to me. Still quite bacterial, but it looks like it wants to flush. Keep it glistening :smile:




still smells like mushrooms

i'm going out of town tomorrow evening until monday, probably a bad idea at this stage but is there anything preemptive i can do


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    #22318639 - 10/01/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dial er in like a boss before you go. They're pretty much set and forget.

Also I'd love to point you to this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260

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It's also interesting to note.. they both smelled extremely mushroomy.. If I was to use my nose, I'd think they were clean. Even though I know they're not. This is why I really don't like advising people to sniff shit (unless your spawning or birthing, then sniffing every jar is recommended ). Your eyes are 10x better at spotting crap during colonization though.




And in the bacterial section, look at blindingleafs stuff. See how lumpy they are? When myc colonizes certain types of bacteria it makes it really lumpy. Like your substrate. I can guarantee even on agar it'll still smell like mushrooms. Smelling is more for cobweb/trich in substrates, and bacteria when you spawn


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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Mad Season]
    #22318646 - 10/01/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Dial er in like a boss before you go. They're pretty much set and forget.





so just stuffed lightly up top (how light?) and nice and tight on the bottom


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    #22318658 - 10/01/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Almost falling out


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    #22318670 - 10/01/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Dial er in like a boss before you go. They're pretty much set and forget.





so just stuffed lightly up top (how light?) and nice and tight on the bottom



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Re: Metabolite dilemma [Re: Mad Season]
    #22318675 - 10/01/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i can easily push it out with a light push from my finger, that good?


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    #22319254 - 10/01/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. Be careful not to let that dry out anymore though. Mad Season was right, you can mist if it happens, but the sub ends up getting matted and the water tends to sit on top and it doesn't perform nearly as well as if you don't let it dry out in the first place. That's what happened in a tub of mine last year.



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    #22321392 - 10/01/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes. Be careful not to let that dry out anymore though. Mad Season was right, you can mist if it happens, but the sub ends up getting matted and the water tends to sit on top and it doesn't perform nearly as well as if you don't let it dry out in the first place. That's what happened in a tub of mine last year.



It's a delicate balance I know. :lol:




i'm gonna monitor tomorrow up until i go and try my best to dial it in, ill have a friend here while im away to keep an eye on the moisture


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    #22321525 - 10/01/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

also, the bottoms holes on my tub aren't directly above the substrate. maybe and inch or a bit more above it. i was thinking to keep the bottom holes stuffed as they are (not extremely tight but theyre in there) to help fae and evaporation since theyre not at sub level. but ill decide that friday night before i leave. got evaporation rings around the most holes right now


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    #22321746 - 10/01/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That is considered sub level.


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    #22322715 - 10/02/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is considered sub level.




they may be an inch and a half. but I stuffed them a little tighter before I went to work today to see how the tub and sub responds


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    #22322824 - 10/02/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool. If you're doing the whole bottom tight top light thing with the poly, then there is no such thing as having the bottom holes too tight. Get those nice and stuffed and leave them alone...only adjust the top poly or your fan.


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    #22323386 - 10/02/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

evaporation around the holes looking good?



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Cool. If you're doing the whole bottom tight top light thing with the poly, then there is no such thing as having the bottom holes too tight. Get those nice and stuffed and leave them alone...only adjust the top poly or your fan.




okay cool, just stuffed the bottom ones more. thank you


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    #22345545 - 10/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

figured i'd leave you guys with an update... PINS, PINS EVERYWHERE :smile: can't thank you guys enough for the help. :psychsplit: :heart:


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    #22345552 - 10/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:whathesaid:


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    #22345919 - 10/07/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

not the best pic as theyre not very large yet, but theyre there and pretty abundant. even more that are just starting to form and rise from the mycellium.



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    #22345926 - 10/07/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the discoloration on the right side is from the metabolites drying up. also how does the evaporation on my bottom holes look? (i know you can only see one) but im trying to figure out if i should stuff them tighter


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    #22345940 - 10/07/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

here's a closer pic of the pins. a bit dark but you can get a better look



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