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Need criticism and feedback
    #22316573 - 09/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay so this is my first time at attempting to grow mushrooms and I need some help and feedback on a lot of things.

1st batch
So I made around 7 jars with a BRF tek. Since this is my first time I screwed up a lot but I've been learning but I believe I didnt put enough water in this batch , something around 30-50ml I believe while the vermiculite was 1/2 cup and the BRF at 1/4 cup.


Preparation: I used silicon for the inoculation holes , one per jar ( I started using two after this) and then I made an air hole and practically clogged it accidentally using cotton balls as my filter, which is why I think all my jars  are stalled. I dont have a pressure cooker so I boiled them for 30 minutes.

        My first mistake was using actual brown rice and trying to blend it, some pieces did not blend well and at the time I just didn't think it'd cause me nay problems. But As weeks went by I started to notice the few grains of rice swelled up and would later be the cause of a few of the jars getting contaminated with a yellowy mold thing. One jar had it very bad and the yellow turned into like an orange color and almost no mycelium grew. Only 3 don't show any signs of contam so far, one jar was almost done colonizing when the top started growing these red dot looking things so I pulled out most of the mature mycelium and threw away the red stuff.

Heres a few pictures of the one I'm trying to salvage ( if thats even possible) Also its supposed to be one cake but it broke up when I tried birthing it.

http://i.imgur.com/ONYZcSL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jcG8V8k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fH6np6G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gwrl7S0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/baVcJcq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7hWMwZf.jpg
I think theres possible contam on the left side on this one.


I didn't dunk this cake when I birthed it because I wasn't aware I was supposed to I just thought I had to maintain 100% humidity and make sure they were very wet. But these pictures are a day after the cake's birth and I'm not seeing any pins and there isn't a lot of matured mycelium.

I just replaced the air filters with micropore tape in hopes of helping the surviving jars grow and mature , its been about a month now , they're almost done but I believe their progress was stalled due to lack of oxygen , please correct me if i am wrong.

2nd batch
I used the quarter pint jars for this batch , two inoculation points , micro pore tape for the air holes , 2:1:1 exact ratio of BRf , I used actual BRF this time. I spent 80 minutes boiling these for sterilization to make sure they didnt contam this time. during inoculation I didnt heat up the needle but I covered it with paper tower soaked in alcohol whenever the syringe was exposed. I'll update on how these jars turned out :laugh:

So yeah any constructive criticism , feedback even some light flaming is appreciated. Still learning and I'm willing to learn more :laugh:

http://i.imgur.com/BkJJJs0.jpg
This is one of the jars that doesnt have any contamination ( that I'm aware of) that has been stalled pretty badly, this is from the first batch. i replaced the filter in hope of having it colonizing again.

Heres another pic , upclose
http://i.imgur.com/LDhQrnx.jpg


And heres basically all that I have inside the incubator
http://i.imgur.com/wkF9Yuf.jpg

Thanks for reading and let me know what you think :laugh:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22316590 - 09/30/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

here's what you asked for:


criticism:  you fucking suck!  you suck at everything! go home!
feedback: not bad for a noob.  it seems like you are about 90% on track.  but there are quite a few things you did wrong...  go back and read a few more PF teks and i'm sure you find out where to improve.

but more importantly, i think your problem lies in the fruiting stage, not the colonization stage.  post a pic of your fruiting chamber. it appears as if you are trying to fruit in the open air :confused:  did you build a SGFC? 

(i dont see any contams btw)


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: FriedEgg]
    #22316598 - 09/30/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

or i'll just tell you... take those cakes out of that bowl of wet verm before they contaminate.  put them in a properly built SGFC (shotgun fruiting chamber).


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: FriedEgg]
    #22317070 - 10/01/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

See my only problem with continuously reading more teks is that they all contain minor changes on how they do things and what not, it gets to a point where sometimes a tek will tell me to do something and then a different tek straight up tells you never to do what the other tek told you to do. Don't get me wrong , I learn something new everytime but my problem is I'm not simply trying to copy someone's tek ( Especially when I have very limited resources). I'm trying to understand mycology and that implies fucking up and learning what to do and not to do. I don't need a SGFC ( although I'd fucking love to have one ), what I need are the ideal conditions to produce shrooms and the right measures to avoid contamination. But thank you though :laugh: , and no its not in open air its inside a fish tank thats sealed off with a flap thing i made out of cardboard covered in wax paper. So far moisture stays in and the fish tank is big enough to maintain good oxygen levels until the flap is lifted (which is about twice a day o-0) Should I make some sort of filter or just leave some holes in it? I can't be moisturizing them too much because everything is kept a friends house who I'm doing this for ( he paid for most of it so he's getting most of our yields but I'm treating this as a free learning experience :laugh:) But what should I do about the wet verm?(I'm thinking I should fruit them ontop of some wax paper or tinfoil ) Also should I use perlite for my incubator or verm? Also do you mind mentioning a few more things that I did wrong in order to prevent fucking up in my next batch? I personally think the 2nd batch is going to work ALOT  better than the first one, the first one was rushed and I'm sure I didn't sterilize properly.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22317246 - 10/01/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Preparation: I used silicon for the inoculation holes , one per jar ( I started using two after this) and then I made an air hole and practically clogged it accidentally using cotton balls as my filter, which is why I think all my jars  are stalled. I dont have a pressure cooker so I boiled them for 30 minutes.



You steam sterilize them, not boil them, and we do this for 90 minutes, not 30...

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        My first mistake was using actual brown rice and trying to blend it, some pieces did not blend well and at the time I just didn't think it'd cause me nay problems. But As weeks went by I started to notice the few grains of rice swelled up and would later be the cause of a few of the jars getting contaminated with a yellowy mold thing.



Don't blame your sub par sterilization techniques on rice...it's not fair.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22317579 - 10/01/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also fish tanks and flaps sounds like fail


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22317618 - 10/01/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

At this point, since you aren't looking to follow a tek, I would just crumble the cakes into a pan and case them with vermiculite... You don't have a fruiting chamber, so a casing layer will become your best friend.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: Sksoul]
    #22317754 - 10/01/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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At this point, since you aren't looking to follow a tek, I would just crumble the cakes into a pan and case them with vermiculite... You don't have a fruiting chamber, so a casing layer will become your best friend.



I've been following the pf tek for the most part , especially with the 2nd batch , and I might create a fruiting chamber for these upcoming cakes. But I like the idea of a casing layer for the fish tank


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22317830 - 10/01/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also fish tanks and flaps sounds like fail





I plan on buying an actual lid for it but that and the flap was the best I could do when I was trying to salvage that one cake. But the point of getting a fish tank was to create a fancy c02 exhaust and have some sort of humidifier , something like this would be ideal, http://www.shroomery.org/9789/Teh-Fire-and-4get-Bubbleh-Humidifier

Do you agree or are fish tanks just cursed? I can always just place a plastic lid with enough holes ontop to create a sub-par SGFC but I want to go a step further and just create something with an automated humidifier/ air exchange. Idk from what I've read about shrooms this should provide ideal conditions, I might just even try both.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22317853 - 10/01/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For 1 cake just put it in a PMP in a 2 liter bottle or something. Fish tanks are for fish lol and other reptiles of course but not mushrooms. If you want automated then move up and do bulk in a monotub...about as automated as they come. Other than that, a SGFC is your best option and I know it's fun to feel like a mad scientist making all these cool contraptions but a plastic box with holes and perlite is all you need.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22317906 - 10/01/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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At this point, since you aren't looking to follow a tek, I would just crumble the cakes into a pan and case them with vermiculite... You don't have a fruiting chamber, so a casing layer will become your best friend.



I've been following the pf tek for the most part , especially with the 2nd batch , and I might create a fruiting chamber for these upcoming cakes. But I like the idea of a casing layer for the fish tank




Right there is the likely problem. It will really help to follow the TEK to a "T". Once you get a few successful grows under your belt then experiment. Besides, it will help you to have a reference to what a grow is supposed to do and what things should look like...:thumbup:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22317935 - 10/01/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh god that write up :lmafo:

I'm on my phone so I can't post it but did anyone actually scroll to the bottom of that link to see the "result"? OP if that's all your looking to get from your cakes you don't need a fancy fishtank bubbler setup.. Just throw them in a trash can and check on em in a week before you take out the garbage. You should see the same result. That whole post should be renamed to "the resilance of cubes".


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22318677 - 10/01/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I've decided to just keep using the fish tank for what ive been using it up to this point which is just keeping all my jars and spores inside and I'm going with a PMP for the cake I birthed. Once the other jars are ready I'm going to make an SGFC and house it inside the fish tank. Why would I do this? Well I thought I could add a layer of water (not to much ) to the fish tank and then drop the SGFC inside , thus water will hydrate the bottom layer of verm ( or perlite), but only to the point where theres always water around and I dont have to hydrate it as much. Also I'll take off the flap once I add the SGFC in order to get air exchange. So I drew something up to illustrate my idea

Also I didn't design this because I'm lazy, I just cant be around to hydrate them 24/7 but I think by doing this the fruiting chamber will always have high levels of moisture. Tell me what you think about this , but before we start flaming poor old me  tell me why this would be a bad idea. All the feedback up to this point has been pretty helpful and I appreciate it all :laugh:  so thank you.
I will be adding more pictures later tonight to see wether or not the cakes have begun fruiting.


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    #22318833 - 10/01/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you think you need to be around 24/7 to run a SGFC? You can leave it for days at a time if you needed to.


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    #22318858 - 10/01/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Rather than point out all the problems with your design let me ask you a simple question.  Be honest.  Do you think you are familiar enough with this organism to be able to design an automated chamber for it to thrive in? The fact that you need to ask for opinions on it suggests to me that you are not.

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    #22318934 - 10/01/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

there are very smart people that have made this hobby their discipline for decades.  they know what's best.  i'm not saying don't innovate.... just take baby steps.  we all want the same thing (for you to stick with this hobby).  the quickest way to become disinterested is to immediately fail right off the bat.


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    #22318945 - 10/01/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So I've decided to just keep using the fish tank for what ive been using it up to this point which is just keeping all my jars and spores inside and I'm going with a PMP for the cake I birthed. Once the other jars are ready I'm going to make an SGFC and house it inside the fish tank. Why would I do this? Well I thought I could add a layer of water (not to much ) to the fish tank and then drop the SGFC inside , thus water will hydrate the bottom layer of verm ( or perlite), but only to the point where theres always water around and I dont have to hydrate it as much. Also I'll take off the flap once I add the SGFC in order to get air exchange. So I drew something up to illustrate my idea

Also I didn't design this because I'm lazy, I just cant be around to hydrate them 24/7 but I think by doing this the fruiting chamber will always have high levels of moisture. Tell me what you think about this , but before we start flaming poor old me  tell me why this would be a bad idea. All the feedback up to this point has been pretty helpful and I appreciate it all :laugh:  so thank you.
I will be adding more pictures later tonight to see wether or not the cakes have begun fruiting.




You are definitely doing things the hard way.  PF Tek is not the easiest way to grow mushrooms to begin with, as its key attraction is you can do it without a pressure cooker, which is not very smart to begin with ... but if you are going to do the PF Tek method, then a simple and inexpensive SGFC is the way to go and following the directions carefully.  I found growing with PP5 jars and rye grass seed to be MUCH easier and more forgiving with a lot fewer steps and no need for birthing steps ... fruiting chambers ... concern about humidity, dunking, rolling ... etc.

All you need is spores, Rye grass seed (very cheap), a few ziplock loc-tite quart or pint jars, a pressure cooker, a misting bottle and a small amount of vermiculite ... and that's it ...


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22318955 - 10/01/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PF Tek is not the easiest way to grow mushrooms to begin with, as its key attraction is you can do it without a pressure cooker, which is not very smart to begin with ...



Except it's worked for millions of jars.....so yea, there's that.

What's not smart is investing in a PC when a stock pot works just as well...for pf tek.


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    #22319006 - 10/01/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's not smart is investing in a PC when a stock pot works just as well...for pf tek.




For the  money you likely spend on making proper lids, SAB, fruiting chamber, perlite, mason jars ... you could probably pick up a cheap pressure cooker that will up your odds of success and open up easier cultivation possibilities for you.  Nothing wrong with PF Tek, it's just not the easiest way for beginners to grow and yes, it will work and has worked for many, many people.  Not trying to be a jerk, just being honest ... of all the cultivation methods I've tried, I found PF Tek to be the most difficult and multiple steps intensive.


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    #22319025 - 10/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's not smart is investing in a PC when a stock pot works just as well...for pf tek.




For the  money you likely spend on making proper lids, SAB, fruiting chamber, perlite, mason jars ... you could probably pick up a cheap pressure cooker that will up your odds of success and open up easier cultivation possibilities for you.



But you would still need to buy jars, SAB, and fruiting chamber(s).... so what's your point? Save money on perlite?

But then again, now you need bulk substrate material, or casing layer material at the very least, so you save nothing really....

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Nothing wrong with PF Tek, it's just not the easiest way for beginners to grow and yes, it will work and has worked for many, many people.  Not trying to be a jerk, just being honest ... of all the cultivation methods I've tried, I found PF Tek to be the most difficult and multiple steps intensive.



Difficult how?

Inoculate and wait....birth, dunk, roll, mist.......done.


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    #22319080 - 10/01/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Rather than point out all the problems with your design let me ask you a simple question.  Be honest.  Do you think you are familiar enough with this organism to be able to design an automated chamber for it to thrive in? The fact that you need to ask for opinions on it suggests to me that you are not.

Again I'm not trying to be mean but, be honest with yourself.




Honestly I've been reading and learning about mycology for a while now , I know the fundamentals now I'm just trying to develop my technique. At this point I don't want to be automated, I can't be spending anymore money on this before I get results and I have plenty of liquid cultures and spores to keep trying with the current resources that I have. I think I'm up for the challenge and I like to ask for other people's insight because I get personalized feedback which benefits me directly. And I agree attempting to create an automated fruiting chamber with my first cakes is probably not the best idea but at some point I'll try it out and hopefully do it right.


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    #22319088 - 10/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But you would still need to buy jars, SAB, and fruiting chamber(s).... so what's your point? Save money on perlite?

But then again, now you need bulk substrate material, or casing layer material at the very least, so you save nothing really....

Difficult how?

Inoculate and wait....birth, dunk, roll, mist.......done.




Don't need a fruiting chamber, no perlite, no special filters for lids ... bulk substrate and casing is a wash between two methods ...

so ... buy jars > prepare lids > mix verm/BRF > cook in big pot > inoculate in SAB > wait to colonize > remove from jars > dunk and soak > roll in Verm > build Fruiting Chamber > mist and fan 3-5 times a day for weeks exposing to a lot of possible contams > hopefully success

vs.

Buy PP5 containers (no modifications needed) > boil RGS for 30 minutes and strain > PC in PP5 containers > inoculate in SAB > Colonize > loosen lids and case, put lid back on loosely and wait for mushrooms

So, you've got 11 steps vs. 6 and much more exposure to contams which is often a big problem for people starting out.


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    #22319118 - 10/01/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've learn about SGFC is that they should be fanned about 3 times a day and that implies misting right after to avoid dryness , I can only tend to the shrooms about twice a day which should be fine but as a failsafe I want to ensure that the chamber will always be 90%<x humidity.

And I'm totally down to buy some perlite and experiment with that, I've also been wanting to try out the grain and rye teks but for now I need to make sure the ones I have now show results , and if these don't work dont worry I wont give up on the hobby. More jars were inoculated yesterday and I expect these to be the true result of what I've learned through trial and error.


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    #22319127 - 10/01/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How'd your first grow turn out?


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22319149 - 10/01/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't need a fruiting chamber, no perlite, no special filters for lids ...



PF Tek requires no  "special filters"...

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so ... buy jars > prepare lids > mix verm/BRF > cook in big pot > inoculate in SAB > wait to colonize > remove from jars > dunk and soak > roll in Verm > build Fruiting Chamber > mist and fan 3-5 times a day for weeks exposing to a lot of possible contams > hopefully success



Fruiting is not a sterile process, it is done in open air...after full colonization, we do not worry about exposing them to open air, they are full colonized and contam resistant....

Next...

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Buy PP5 containers (no modifications needed) > boil RGS for 30 minutes and strain > PC in PP5 containers > inoculate in SAB > Colonize > loosen lids and case, put lid back on loosely and wait for mushrooms



You forgot the word hopefully....and no shit fruiting in the jars is easier than making a FC.....

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So, you've got 11 steps vs. 6 and much more exposure to contams which is often a big problem for people starting out.



Exposure to contams after full colonization is not a problem for anyone.

And few extra steps doesn't make it "difficult". It means it's more involved....

And covering the PP5 containers back up, not giving themany type of FAE, will yield you more than PF Tek?

All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319156 - 10/01/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How'd your first grow turn out?




For my first grow, I had a lot more success than I anticipated.  I got lucky and made a clean LC from a purchased spore syringe (not recommended) and used WBS in grow bags.  When the WBS colonized I cased it with PC'd coir/verm and lots of big mushrooms grew ... 50+ dry grams per bag ...

My second grow was harder as I had a hard time getting a good LC and found that only certain strains work well invitro.  If you find a good strain that thrives invitro, it is by far the easiest way to grow them ... practically contamination proof ... but not all strains will fruit well invitro.  I found that out the hard way.  After that I learned how to work with agar and the results became much more consistent.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319167 - 10/01/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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From what I've learn about SGFC is that they should be fanned about 3 times a day and that implies misting right after to avoid dryness



:facepalm:  You have lots to learn still..

We only fan after misting, if we do not mist, there is no reason to fan.

We mist the cakes genetly with a fine mist until they glisten, then we fan out the chamber for a drop in RH, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water we just misted to take place.

Evaporation off the cakes is a main pinning trigger, and humidifies the chamber.

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I can only tend to the shrooms about twice a day which should be fine but as a failsafe I want to ensure that the chamber will always be 90%<x humidity.



If the chamber is always at 90% RH, you will fail....you want giant fluctuations in RH....you only want RH that high at substrate level, not throughout the entire chamber.....there wouldn't be enough room in the air for that much evaporation to take place.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319170 - 10/01/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319181 - 10/01/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah woops , mixed that up somehow but you're right I remember reading that fannign after misting triggers pinning. But I keep reading they have to stay humid so I just assumed they'd be dry after fanning so misting wouldn't cause any harm but I'll follow your instructions. And thats the wonder of personalized feedback http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/icons/mushroom_2.gif


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22319199 - 10/01/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.




I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319227 - 10/01/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:




I've found perhaps the most important element of all is getting the right strain/culture that matches well to your cultivation method.  What a lot of the really good growers have is really good cultures / inoculants that are PERFECTLY SUITED to the style of growing they do.  That saying that "a cube is a cube" is popular, but when it comes to how they respond to different growing conditions, I've found that to be complete BS.  It's possible to follow the directions to an absolute T and get very low  yield if any at all, simply because that strain or culture just isn't working for that tek or it just isn't a good strain for whatever reason.  I've found some strains really thrive with a lot more humidity and some really want a lot of FAE and others don't seem to need that much FAE to really do well.  The guys that really know what they're doing get their culture/inoculant and growing system really dialed in and that's really the X factor IMHO.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319290 - 10/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PussyFart said:

All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.




I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:



I know a lot of growers who've never even used a tek. I only used the pf-tek once and since then I've just winged it. Once you gets the basics down it all becomes a lot easier. BUT, at first I would advise following a tek perfectly.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22349547 - 10/08/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So just an update, after kinda winging it and taking in a few of the suggestions people gave me I think I'm getting results, I'll try to upload pictures tonight but the first cake I had to birth due to possible contam is actually fruiting as we speak and the other ones should be doing the same pretty soon :laugh:. I built a SGFC like many of you told me too , only problem is that its not that tall but I'll worry about that for my next batch , I have 4 inches of perlite with 8 inches to spare for the shroomies. I mist and fan about 3-5 times a day and so far its been working :laugh: , some of the cakes look slightly contaminated with a light greenish thing which some of the others had as well but I'm leaving it to see what they do , its not a bad case of contam so I'm not too worried. Although I messed up a lot while trying to get my first attempt at growing to actually produce results I have learned a lot in the process and this next batch is going to come out premo :wink:
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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22350887 - 10/08/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I respectfully disagree with you concerning the PF-Tek.

It has to be one of the easiest ways there is for a beginner.

A stockpot works just fine for steam sterilizing 1/2pint hars of BRF/Verm.

You can also watch the progress of colonization and detect contams easy with this method.

All in all it is an easy and excellent way for beginners to be introduced to the hobby...  :thumbup:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22352708 - 10/09/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I agree it was pretty damn simple


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