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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22319080 - 10/01/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Rather than point out all the problems with your design let me ask you a simple question.  Be honest.  Do you think you are familiar enough with this organism to be able to design an automated chamber for it to thrive in? The fact that you need to ask for opinions on it suggests to me that you are not.

Again I'm not trying to be mean but, be honest with yourself.




Honestly I've been reading and learning about mycology for a while now , I know the fundamentals now I'm just trying to develop my technique. At this point I don't want to be automated, I can't be spending anymore money on this before I get results and I have plenty of liquid cultures and spores to keep trying with the current resources that I have. I think I'm up for the challenge and I like to ask for other people's insight because I get personalized feedback which benefits me directly. And I agree attempting to create an automated fruiting chamber with my first cakes is probably not the best idea but at some point I'll try it out and hopefully do it right.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319088 - 10/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I know the fundamentals



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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319101 - 10/01/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But you would still need to buy jars, SAB, and fruiting chamber(s).... so what's your point? Save money on perlite?

But then again, now you need bulk substrate material, or casing layer material at the very least, so you save nothing really....

Difficult how?

Inoculate and wait....birth, dunk, roll, mist.......done.




Don't need a fruiting chamber, no perlite, no special filters for lids ... bulk substrate and casing is a wash between two methods ...

so ... buy jars > prepare lids > mix verm/BRF > cook in big pot > inoculate in SAB > wait to colonize > remove from jars > dunk and soak > roll in Verm > build Fruiting Chamber > mist and fan 3-5 times a day for weeks exposing to a lot of possible contams > hopefully success

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Buy PP5 containers (no modifications needed) > boil RGS for 30 minutes and strain > PC in PP5 containers > inoculate in SAB > Colonize > loosen lids and case, put lid back on loosely and wait for mushrooms

So, you've got 11 steps vs. 6 and much more exposure to contams which is often a big problem for people starting out.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22319118 - 10/01/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've learn about SGFC is that they should be fanned about 3 times a day and that implies misting right after to avoid dryness , I can only tend to the shrooms about twice a day which should be fine but as a failsafe I want to ensure that the chamber will always be 90%<x humidity.

And I'm totally down to buy some perlite and experiment with that, I've also been wanting to try out the grain and rye teks but for now I need to make sure the ones I have now show results , and if these don't work dont worry I wont give up on the hobby. More jars were inoculated yesterday and I expect these to be the true result of what I've learned through trial and error.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319127 - 10/01/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How'd your first grow turn out?


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22319149 - 10/01/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't need a fruiting chamber, no perlite, no special filters for lids ...



PF Tek requires no  "special filters"...

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so ... buy jars > prepare lids > mix verm/BRF > cook in big pot > inoculate in SAB > wait to colonize > remove from jars > dunk and soak > roll in Verm > build Fruiting Chamber > mist and fan 3-5 times a day for weeks exposing to a lot of possible contams > hopefully success



Fruiting is not a sterile process, it is done in open air...after full colonization, we do not worry about exposing them to open air, they are full colonized and contam resistant....

Next...

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Buy PP5 containers (no modifications needed) > boil RGS for 30 minutes and strain > PC in PP5 containers > inoculate in SAB > Colonize > loosen lids and case, put lid back on loosely and wait for mushrooms



You forgot the word hopefully....and no shit fruiting in the jars is easier than making a FC.....

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So, you've got 11 steps vs. 6 and much more exposure to contams which is often a big problem for people starting out.



Exposure to contams after full colonization is not a problem for anyone.

And few extra steps doesn't make it "difficult". It means it's more involved....

And covering the PP5 containers back up, not giving themany type of FAE, will yield you more than PF Tek?

All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319156 - 10/01/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How'd your first grow turn out?




For my first grow, I had a lot more success than I anticipated.  I got lucky and made a clean LC from a purchased spore syringe (not recommended) and used WBS in grow bags.  When the WBS colonized I cased it with PC'd coir/verm and lots of big mushrooms grew ... 50+ dry grams per bag ...

My second grow was harder as I had a hard time getting a good LC and found that only certain strains work well invitro.  If you find a good strain that thrives invitro, it is by far the easiest way to grow them ... practically contamination proof ... but not all strains will fruit well invitro.  I found that out the hard way.  After that I learned how to work with agar and the results became much more consistent.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319167 - 10/01/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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From what I've learn about SGFC is that they should be fanned about 3 times a day and that implies misting right after to avoid dryness



:facepalm:  You have lots to learn still..

We only fan after misting, if we do not mist, there is no reason to fan.

We mist the cakes genetly with a fine mist until they glisten, then we fan out the chamber for a drop in RH, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water we just misted to take place.

Evaporation off the cakes is a main pinning trigger, and humidifies the chamber.

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I can only tend to the shrooms about twice a day which should be fine but as a failsafe I want to ensure that the chamber will always be 90%<x humidity.



If the chamber is always at 90% RH, you will fail....you want giant fluctuations in RH....you only want RH that high at substrate level, not throughout the entire chamber.....there wouldn't be enough room in the air for that much evaporation to take place.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319170 - 10/01/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: PussyFart]
    #22319181 - 10/01/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah woops , mixed that up somehow but you're right I remember reading that fannign after misting triggers pinning. But I keep reading they have to stay humid so I just assumed they'd be dry after fanning so misting wouldn't cause any harm but I'll follow your instructions. And thats the wonder of personalized feedback http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/icons/mushroom_2.gif


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22319199 - 10/01/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PussyFart said:

All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.




I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319227 - 10/01/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:




I've found perhaps the most important element of all is getting the right strain/culture that matches well to your cultivation method.  What a lot of the really good growers have is really good cultures / inoculants that are PERFECTLY SUITED to the style of growing they do.  That saying that "a cube is a cube" is popular, but when it comes to how they respond to different growing conditions, I've found that to be complete BS.  It's possible to follow the directions to an absolute T and get very low  yield if any at all, simply because that strain or culture just isn't working for that tek or it just isn't a good strain for whatever reason.  I've found some strains really thrive with a lot more humidity and some really want a lot of FAE and others don't seem to need that much FAE to really do well.  The guys that really know what they're doing get their culture/inoculant and growing system really dialed in and that's really the X factor IMHO.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: japj15]
    #22319290 - 10/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PussyFart said:

All that being said, noobs must start some where, does it really matter where they start?

Learning the basics thru PF Tek works just fine....if you mess it up, don't blame it on the tek being "too difficult".




You win.

All I was trying to do is say there are options that for some, are quite a bit easier for the noob than PF Tek.  Really wasn't interested in an argument.  Just my opinion that, for me, PF Tek was more involved and tedious and I got better results with another method.  It's not more difficult for you and I get that and respect it.




I love this website and the people in it are pretty cool but people argue too much about which tek is better and what should be done, its whats made learning all this kinda hard because everyone always has some sort of personalized input that differs between user. Which is cool and all but what works for someone else might not work for the other person.

You guys have been awesome so far though :laugh:



I know a lot of growers who've never even used a tek. I only used the pf-tek once and since then I've just winged it. Once you gets the basics down it all becomes a lot easier. BUT, at first I would advise following a tek perfectly.


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22349547 - 10/08/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So just an update, after kinda winging it and taking in a few of the suggestions people gave me I think I'm getting results, I'll try to upload pictures tonight but the first cake I had to birth due to possible contam is actually fruiting as we speak and the other ones should be doing the same pretty soon :laugh:. I built a SGFC like many of you told me too , only problem is that its not that tall but I'll worry about that for my next batch , I have 4 inches of perlite with 8 inches to spare for the shroomies. I mist and fan about 3-5 times a day and so far its been working :laugh: , some of the cakes look slightly contaminated with a light greenish thing which some of the others had as well but I'm leaving it to see what they do , its not a bad case of contam so I'm not too worried. Although I messed up a lot while trying to get my first attempt at growing to actually produce results I have learned a lot in the process and this next batch is going to come out premo :wink:
So again thanks for everything guys!


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22350887 - 10/08/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I respectfully disagree with you concerning the PF-Tek.

It has to be one of the easiest ways there is for a beginner.

A stockpot works just fine for steam sterilizing 1/2pint hars of BRF/Verm.

You can also watch the progress of colonization and detect contams easy with this method.

All in all it is an easy and excellent way for beginners to be introduced to the hobby...  :thumbup:


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Re: Need criticism and feedback [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22352708 - 10/09/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I agree it was pretty damn simple


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