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Bill_Oreilly
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Stop Illegal Immigration!!!
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who agrees?
there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
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Bill_Oreilly said: who agrees?
there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
I agree 100 percent. Especially the immigrants who take the upper level jobs. I don't mind hard working mexicans that handle the basic labor.
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Shove it, hole.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Bill_Oreilly said: who agrees?
there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
I agree 100 percent. Especially the immigrants who take the upper level jobs. I don't mind hard working mexicans that handle the basic labor.
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WhyDidiDoThis
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Nah. In the end it wont matter. Population control methods currently in effect

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People are blowing this immigration ordeal out of proportion .. I mean out of all the important issues that go undiscussed , Americans are worried about Mexicans taking away jobs.
I personally don't know a single Hispanic who took jobs away from Americans , many Hispanics speak English but prefer their own language -wouldn't you ? , I know factory jobs moved out of this country due to cheaper manufacturing and I thank the pale, stale , males for giving jobs to Mexicans , Chinese , Bangldeshi people at cheaper wages because now we can file complaints towards the innocent.
I wonder if people ever question why immigrants keep coming to this country ?
Look around , not many people have jobs... Look around ... I don't see many bean burritos getting their backs wet for a cracker ass job..
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Trump is going to solve the problem.
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Dey took ar jerb!!! Dey tek he jeb? Deturkarjab!!!hahahaha
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OP are you worried they will take your job as professional methadone addict?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: my3rdeye]
#22316647 - 09/30/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There isn't enough jobs to take. And thats not the Mexicans fault.. Why dont we ever blame the Chinese for taking our factorys hmmm?
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Or the Saudis for taking our oil lmfao
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Bill_Oreilly said: there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
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TORCUTT said: There isn't enough jobs to take. And thats not the Mexicans fault.. Why dont we ever blame the Chinese for taking our factorys hmmm?
ex-fucking-zactly bro
*Waiting on Zap, Pris, or qman to make up some bullshit to scapegoat for their racism and general bitterness towards Mexicans and Latin Americans in general*
you'll be waiting a long time
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TORCUTT said: There isn't enough jobs to take. And thats not the Mexicans fault.. Why dont we ever blame the Chinese for taking our factorys hmmm?
"There isn't enough jobs to take"
Yet, the have taken millions of jobs.
"And that's not the Mexicans fault"
People that have entered the US illegally are at fault.
"Why don't we ever blame the Chinese for taking our factorys hmmm?"
The Chinese didn't take our factories, US companies decided to move operations out of the US, what does that have to do with illegal immigration? Nothing.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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The job crisis has long been a problem for well, along. Maybe if we would stop out sourceing, there would be more jobs. Hell, we even have automotive plants not in America any more.
Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get. The avarage bachelors degree citizen have a hard time finding a job.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics. And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
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If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
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Mexicans are more expensive than Chinese. Not in the bigger picture but the ones doing the outsourcing only look at personal gain in the short term.
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Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do. They just walk in and steal the money Americans have worked for shamelessly.
I am completely against it.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
#22318045 - 10/01/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bleh its about moralitys, not sovereignty. We fought for this country more than 250 years ago, so no one really knows the suffering.
We stole it from the natives. We defyed their sovereignty. So its all irrelevant. Not one man can own a peice of earth. For they will die. Along with all other men. But the land shall continue to exist. The longer we stay seperated, the longer our goals wont be met.
Im sure we could figure out a way to outsource to mexico at a better rate than china. After all, they arent 6000 miles away. Just south. A truck drive. We choose not to support them. To make a mess. To fix the mess.
We make messes. All around the globe.
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TORCUTT said: Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics.
you clearly dont know much, sure, the vast majority of illegals wont be working as engineers or doctors or the CEO of huge corporations but guess what, neither will the majority of citizens in the US
illegals will be doing jobs such as lawn care/landscaping, they will be working in the restaurants, even in the position of being a chef, maybe not a TV chef like you're probably most familiar with but they do hold those positions, they'll also hold positions in cleaning services and as mechanics, they work in construction and many other trades
maybe you're unfamiliar with the education of the people in the US, there are plenty of people that lack the education to be doctors, layers and engineers, many that dont have a highschool diploma or a GED and even with them that's often not enough to do anything more than work in fast food or other restaurants or to work as a landscaper or a mechanic if they manage to get funding to attend the local trade school
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
No, they don't. How can you collect social security if you have no documentation.
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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TORCUTT said: Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics.
you clearly dont know much, sure, the vast majority of illegals wont be working as engineers or doctors or the CEO of huge corporations but guess what, neither will the majority of citizens in the US
illegals will be doing jobs such as lawn care/landscaping, they will be working in the restaurants, even in the position of being a chef, maybe not a TV chef like you're probably most familiar with but they do hold those positions, they'll also hold positions in cleaning services and as mechanics, they work in construction and many other trades
maybe you're unfamiliar with the education of the people in the US, there are plenty of people that lack the education to be doctors, layers and engineers, many that dont have a highschool diploma or a GED and even with them that's often not enough to do anything more than work in fast food or other restaurants or to work as a landscaper or a mechanic if they manage to get funding to attend the local trade school
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
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TORCUTT said: Bleh its about moralitys, not sovereignty. We fought for this country more than 250 years ago, so no one really knows the suffering.
We stole it from the natives. We defyed their sovereignty. So its all irrelevant. Not one man can own a peice of earth. For they will die. Along with all other men. But the land shall continue to exist. The longer we stay seperated, the longer our goals wont be met.
Im sure we could figure out a way to outsource to mexico at a better rate than china. After all, they arent 6000 miles away. Just south. A truck drive. We choose not to support them. To make a mess. To fix the mess.
We make messes. All around the globe.
you have no clue what kind of ignorance you're spewing, being an idealist must be nice
all 3 of the big automakers have shut many of their US plants and moved them to mexico, many of the clothing manufacturers have done the same, a textile mill that's local to me used to take locally grown cotton and produce denim for Levi Strauss, yes, the large jeans manufacturer based in San Francisco, it seems that all there is on SF now is a company headquarters, the jeans are now "Hecho en Mexico" and the cotton grown here isnt being shipped to mexico to be used in denim but they are making the denim there and the mill is closed, now keep in mind that this is after Levi's was busted for slapping Made in the USA labels on their Malaysian made clothing that was produced in slavery like sweat shops by chinese workers, and none of that has actually changed and thankfully clothing can still be made in countries like Saipan and Guam and any other US protectorate or territory in the sweat shop conditions with wages well under the US minimum wage and still keep the made in the USA label because they're a 'part of the united states'
so guess what, we do exports our jobs to mexico... and asia, and the middle east and to south america and europe and anywhere else that our government believes will be equitable for large companies to move production too when they establish these free trade agreements
BTW. just because smeone has died, it doesnt mean the land they owned reverts to the government or the chinese or something, it typically goes to their family who become the new owners, the same thing happens with money and vehicles and pretty much everything else they owned, so yeah... there is in fact land ownership since the heirs do not re purchase the property after someone's death
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TORCUTT said: Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics.
you clearly dont know much, sure, the vast majority of illegals wont be working as engineers or doctors or the CEO of huge corporations but guess what, neither will the majority of citizens in the US
illegals will be doing jobs such as lawn care/landscaping, they will be working in the restaurants, even in the position of being a chef, maybe not a TV chef like you're probably most familiar with but they do hold those positions, they'll also hold positions in cleaning services and as mechanics, they work in construction and many other trades
maybe you're unfamiliar with the education of the people in the US, there are plenty of people that lack the education to be doctors, layers and engineers, many that dont have a highschool diploma or a GED and even with them that's often not enough to do anything more than work in fast food or other restaurants or to work as a landscaper or a mechanic if they manage to get funding to attend the local trade school
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
and that has nothing at all to do with what I have said
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: koods]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
No, they don't. How can you collect social security if you have no documentation.
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Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
There is no hoodwinking going on with me. I am very often the only native English speaker on the job and most of the non-English speakers are illegal. They are also not just Hispanic. A lot of them are Slavic. How do I know whether they are legal or not? I ask them and they are usually honest. And yes, they are taking jobs from Americans. If a contractor can drive by a train station or Home Depot and pick somebody up for a day or two no documentation is required as long as he gets a different guy every day. That allows him to not put somebody on payroll. I see it every day.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
and that has nothing at all to do with what I have said
Sure it does.
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TORCUTT said: The job crisis has long been a problem for well, along. Maybe if we would stop out sourceing, there would be more jobs. Hell, we even have automotive plants not in America any more.
Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get. The avarage bachelors degree citizen have a hard time finding a job.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics. And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
It's called creating an excess pool of labor, it's really irrelevant what type of job they take, their very presence depresses wages for all US workers. Guess who suffers the most in the labor market? The disadvantaged, mainly black and Hispanic US citizens!
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equivalent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do. They just walk in and steal the money Americans have worked for shamelessly.
I am completely against it.
"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
#22318442 - 10/01/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inflation is the biggist factor of depressed wages. And bitchy americans.
Give the burger flippers 15 bucks an hour damnit. Im tired of seeing that protest. Federal Reserve prints more money everyday than Hasbro prints monopoly money.. Umm.. whats backing the value of that paper? Sure aint Fort Knox. We lease all that to other countries.
Excess pool of labor. Thats why most of them are unemployed and waiting by the home depot to work for whoever comes and talks to them. They cant get any national job. Hello. They are local to the area. Workers. Which is typically fine cause either A) we want a career [so we dont need to worry about illegal competition] B) Sit on our fatasses and live off mommy and daddys money. C) Be homeless.
They really dont threatn your workpool unless you want to be an orchard laborer. Its not like if there are too many in the orchard, you cant work at the grocery store..
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.
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TORCUTT said: Inflation is the biggist factor of depressed wages. And bitchy americans.
Give the burger flippers 15 bucks an hour damnit. Im tired of seeing that protest. Federal Reserve prints more money everyday than Hasbro prints monopoly money.. Umm.. whats backing the value of that paper? Sure aint Fort Knox. We lease all that to other countries.
Excess pool of labor. Thats why most of them are unemployed and waiting by the home depot to work for whoever comes and talks to them. They cant get any national job. Hello. They are local to the area. Workers. Which is typically fine cause either A) we want a career [so we dont need to worry about illegal competition] B) Sit on our fatasses and live off mommy and daddys money. C) Be homeless.
They really dont threatn your workpool unless you want to be an orchard laborer. Its not like if there are too many in the orchard, you cant work at the grocery store..
"Inflation is biggest factor of depressed wages"
No, it's globalization and the flood of cheap labor entering the US, you do realize the wages can move up with inflation under the proper conditions?
When illegals take the low skilled jobs, they force workers into a more skilled position which ultimately floods that market and depresses the wage, it's called a domino effect. Again, you're focusing on the specific job that the illegal works, it doesn't matter, it effects everyone.
This is a economic issue, if you don't have a clear understanding of economics this situation can be very confusing. I have heard the argument you're trying to make a thousand times, whoever sold this line of reasoning is misinformed.
Do you know why we have a open border? The people at the top aren't concerned about Julio and his family, they want an excess pool of labor to maximize profits in ALL industries.
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.

You clearly don't have economic study.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.
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Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
Well, that's constantly what I hear people on here say.
Remember, I'm not in the states therefore I only know the general things. Everyday life, I have no idea
Take a look at this comment by qman
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"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
Now do you understand why I think they get social security?
Let's say an illegal walks in a hospital. Does he get turned down? Can they not send their kids to school? Enlighten me
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Anyone can get turned away from a hospital if they dont have insurance. And if the kid aint illegal, it aint illegal. Not like the unborn child made the choice to jump the border.
They'll have a hard enough time anyway.
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Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!
What made the US great in the past? Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential. To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.
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I think it's about the broader picture of globalization. Our societies are no longer localized and to cling to that is backwards.
Unless we start killing trespassers again, like the primal era, we should probably learn to support and promote co-existence. Why do you have any more of a right to these resources than a young, struggling immigrant. YOU certainly didn't earn this.
What's funny is that there's all sorts of incentive for the Chinese to send their kids and money over here, but Mexicans? We oughta build a big wall for those fuckers
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
Well, that's constantly what I hear people on here say.
Remember, I'm not in the states therefore I only know the general things. Everyday life, I have no idea
Take a look at this comment by qman
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"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
Now do you understand why I think they get social security?
Let's say an illegal walks in a hospital. Does he get turned down? Can they not send their kids to school? Enlighten me
Health care and education is available for all illegals. The social services kick in as soon as they give birth to a anchor baby, they know the game and abuse the fuck out of it. The idea that an illegal can give birth to a US citizen is ridiculous, Trump is going to eliminate this anchor baby policy nonsense.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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TORCUTT said: Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.
Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!
What made the US great in the past? Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential. To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.
I already combated that arguement. We give all the mass employed jobs to other countries for lower wages, because we dont wanna spend the extra dough paying american citizens. Capitalist economy.
In Germany quality college is free. Meanwhile, college in America leaves you in debt for years.
Theres answers for the problems. We just keep them problems and point fingers at scapegoats.
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Unless we start killing trespassers again, like the primal era, we should probably learn to support and promote co-existence. Why do you have any more of a right to these resources than a young, struggling immigrant. YOU certainly didn't earn this.
What's funny is that there's all sorts of incentive for the Chinese to send their kids and money over here, but Mexicans? We oughta build a big wall for those fuckers 
What the fuck are you talking about? They broke the law and entered the US illegally, when we deport them and build a wall, US citizens won't have to worry about "co-existence".
"YOU certainly didn't earn this"
Enough of this hippy bullshit, my relatives helped build this nation, we aren't giving it away to a bunch of illegals, let them fix their own homeland.
If so you're so concerned with the struggling illegal immigrant, you pay for them, don't force it on others.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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Meh our taxes go right to the military anyway. Everything else is false money. How many times have the banks bailed out the federal government? Too many. 1 hellfire drone missle. 80,000 bucks. And we bomb ALOT.
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Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!
What made the US great in the past? Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential. To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.
I already combated that arguement. We give all the mass employed jobs to other countries for lower wages, because we dont wanna spend the extra dough paying american citizens. Capitalist economy.
In Germany quality college is free. Meanwhile, college in America leaves you in debt for years.
Theres answers for the problems. We just keep them problems and point fingers at scapegoats.

The outsourcing of US jobs DOES NOT justify illegal immigration into the US, that makes no sense.
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there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
Where else will you get your heroin from if you don't get it from the Mexicans all crossing the border illegally?
You do realize that's where most of the heroin coming into the US is coming from, right?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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Not to mention the near 1 trillion dollar jet we just made.
And you're so right. But it sure creates more tension for the legal citizen. Instead of demanding our job back, we point fingers at brown people.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Uzziel]
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Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.
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In reality the only people really affected by illegal immigration is primarily poor/young people in California, New Mexico, Texas, and a few other agricultural states.
Everyone else should just stfu imo
but w/e lol; you guys can repeat what Fox News and Bill O'reilly told you to say until you go blue in the face. Truth is not a damn thing is going to change. Mexicans will get in as long as they have a reason to.
And it doesn't matter what kind of wall is constructed. It only takes a single crack for the damn to break. No to mention you know... tunnels... which they already have... lol
Maybe one day we'll have a better argument than you guys watch Faux News, pathetic.
You clearly don't understand the economic implications of illegals flooding the US labor market, don't you have a military to join since you can't find a job?
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What you don't understand is they go through the Mexicans. Most of it is smuggled through the south where it is much much easier to get through. The Taliban does not just waltz into the US on a boat or through Canada to smuggle in. They go through mexico.
And as of current, the majority of heroin in the US <IS> coming from Mexican cartels
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It's pretty interesting how you think 30million+ illegals do nothing to disrupt the economic flow of the US. They have driven down the price of many labor-intensive jobs that should be paying WAY more.
It affects way more than just the south. 10% of the population in the US isn't even accounted for because of illegals being off the books.
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336 said: Hey Pat, you're from Canada/living in Canada right? Why the fuck are you even talking about this issue? Far as I'm concerned it's none of your maple eaten business eh.
In reality the only people really affected by illegal immigration is primarily poor/young people in California, New Mexico, Texas, and a few other agricultural states.
Everyone else should just stfu imo
but w/e lol; you guys can repeat what Fox News and Bill O'reilly told you to say until you go blue in the face. Truth is not a damn thing is going to change. Mexicans will get in as long as they have a reason to.
And it doesn't matter what kind of wall is constructed. It only takes a single crack for the damn to break. No to mention you know... tunnels... which they already have... lol
Maybe one day we'll have a better argument than you guys watch Faux News, pathetic.
You clearly don't understand the economic implications of illegals flooding the US labor market, don't you have a military to join since you can't find a job?
Oh i've argued extensively on this point with you guys, especially you and Zap in some of the older topics.
Now I'm just amused at how you guys simply repeat and repeat and repeat yourselves over and over again as if it changes anything. And I say Fox News/Bill O'Reilly because essentially everything you guys have to say on this issue is verbatim what Fox News says. It's like you guys are little Bill O'Reilly parrots.
I rarely watched O'Reilly, but when I did I wasn't impressed, he lacks a basic understanding of economics. 
O'Reilly doesn't really go into details on the real reasons for the open border, he blames it on Obama or liberalism, yet the truth is the very rich insist that it stays open, maybe he can't even say that on TV.
I never heard Bill talk about an "excess pool of labor", again most of his rhetoric is blaming some liberal. The liberal has no clue why the border remains open, they don't understand the economics behind the policy.
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And you're so right. But it sure creates more tension for the legal citizen. Instead of demanding our job back, we point fingers at brown people.
Trump is blaming both, outsourcing to foreign nations and illegal immigration, if we fix both issues the US thrives like it once did, you're probably too young to remember the old America, people lived well.
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What you don't understand is they go through the Mexicans. Most of it is smuggled through the south where it is much much easier to get through. The Taliban does not just waltz into the US on a boat or through Canada to smuggle in. They go through mexico.
And as of current, the majority of heroin in the US <IS> coming from Mexican cartels
You're right. They dont waltz in. We bring it in. The military soilders trade guns and other equipment for kilos to bring home. I just talked to a vet abiut how he and his squad would rip off extra supplies to trade for heroin, then ended up fighting fools thay have their tech.
Herion production in Afghanistan is at the highest its ever been in history since weve occupied the region. Not to mention their mountins are FILLED with lithium we sell to asia for their hybrid car batterys. We arent their for democracy. We are there for supply and demand.
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I never said production wasn't done in middle east. I said it comes from the Mexican cartels into the US...and it does.
I think I read somewhere like more than 70-80%+ of all opium is grown in the ME.
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I know many of the young people on this site don't have the experiences to know the difference between today and 30-40 years ago, but it was a different economic reality.
On my fathers side he had 24 first cousins, they all ended up becoming multi-millionaires except for one, and they weren't all geniuses by any means. They worked hard and saved their money.
My grandparents who both had less than an 8th grade education made the equivalent of over 100k per year today, they didn't compete with people from China or illegals from south of the border.
You really don't understand what you're talking about, this has NOTHING to do with race or ethnicity, it has to do with economics, something you're not very familiar with at this point.
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Ever think the baby boomers generation was overly racist filled with black segregation and shit? Brainwashed from then until forever.
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bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Seconded, immigration and assimilation made this country great. Illegal immigration will undo it.
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The lions share of heroin comes from Mexico, same for methamphetamine. This is the result of marijuana legalization.
Cartels are losing the mj revenue to American growers, to compensate they have doubled down on crystal, coke and heroin. They also have keen business acumen, being able to capitalize on the rampant opioid prescription abuse.
Another favorite market is human trafficking, be it illegal migrant workers, sex slavery or OTM (other than mexican/central American/south American).
OTMs could be anything from Chinese to middle eastern.
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I know many of the young people on this site don't have the experiences to know the difference between today and 30-40 years ago, but it was a different economic reality.
On my fathers side he had 24 first cousins, they all ended up becoming multi-millionaires except for one, and they weren't all geniuses by any means. They worked hard and saved their money.
My grandparents who both had less than an 8th grade education made the equivalent of over 100k per year today, they didn't compete with people from China or illegals from south of the border.
You really don't understand what you're talking about, this has NOTHING to do with race or ethnicity, it has to do with economics, something you're not very familiar with at this point.
Aww so all this complaining about illegal immigration is for us, the youth? I would have never guessed you guys all cared so much about us.
And I thought it was all about blaming someone else about personal shortfalls and or general racism and conservative parroting. Boy was I wrong.
How sweet of you.
"is for us, the youth?"
Most of you have been fooled by PC propoganda thinking that you're informed, it's scary when you let others think for yourself. Maybe you don't care about your standard of living, but I bet most young people do.
"cared so much about us"
I have two nieces around your age, I worry about how naïve they are on the current state of affairs.
"How sweet of you"
Well, it's nice to appreciated. Constantly trying to inform the uninformed gets tiresome.
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bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Seconded, immigration and assimilation made this country great. Illegal immigration will undo it.
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The lions share of heroin comes from Mexico, same for methamphetamine. This is the result of marijuana legalization.
Cartels are losing the mj revenue to American growers, to compensate they have doubled down on crystal, coke and heroin. They also have keen business acumen, being able to capitalize on the rampant opioid prescription abuse.
Another favorite market is human trafficking, be it illegal migrant workers, sex slavery or OTM (other than mexican/central American/south American).
OTMs could be anything from Chinese to middle eastern.
BS mexico doesnt even have conditions anywhere near as good as he eastern countrys for heroin. It comes straight from the CIA. http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
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TORCUTT said: Ever think the baby boomers generation was overly racist filled with black segregation and shit? Brainwashed from then until forever.
You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
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You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
I live better. Im not subject to MK Ultra experiments, bullshit Reagan regime, or around for the United States assassination of Martin luther King Jr. (United States found guilty in '99) Not to mention the failure of Vietnam. Or the LA riots.
It really was a bad time in america. 50's -80's full of brainwashing propaganda, that you are still defending.
http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
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You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
I live better. Im not subject to MK Ultra experiments, bullshit Reagan regime, or around for the United States assassination of Martin luther King Jr. (United States found guilty in '99) Not to mention the failure of Vietnam. Or the LA riots.
It really was a bad time in america. 50's -80's full of brainwashing propaganda, that you are still defending.
http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
"I live better"
I doubt it, you complain about the Reagan regime, how's the Obama years treating you? 
"It was really a bad time in america. 50's-80's"
Wow, you really don't have a clue.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do. They just walk in and steal the money Americans have worked for shamelessly.
I am completely against it.
Do you even live in canada? If so, when do you plan on moving to the usa? Because all you ever seem to speak about is the USA, except the occasional time you praise harper and call him one of the greatest prime ministers weve ever had.
I cant even tell if youre serious, considering thats the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard.
Harper...a good prime minister...
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China isn't responsible; illegal immigration isn't responsible; YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE!
YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US!
And now all you people do is bitch and moan about how it's all the Mexicans fault, it's all because of illegal immigration, it's all because of Obama.
Fucking hypocrites stringing up scapegoats to try and undermine your own responsibility for the current state of affairs.
IMHO of course
"They outsourced so much labor"
No, the US working class didn't outsource their own jobs, the corporations bought off the politicians and the rest was history. There was a real political debate on this "free trade" nonsense in 1994 when Ross Perot demanded it shouldn't happen, once that ended the American people just kind of stood by idle and watched everything close down.
"YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE, YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US"
Well, you are correct to a certain degree, but to be fair most Americans were and still are pretty clueless when it comes to economic trade and globalization. It's a complex economic issue with lots of negatives and a few benefits, the MSM wasn't going to spell it out for them.
Also, all developed economies also fell into this trap, Japan, UK, and all of the EU are in the same boat. The average working class peasant didn't really have a choice in this matter, so I don't know why much responsibility one should put on them.
"hypocrites stringing up scapegoats"
We know who pushed for globalization- the very rich!! We know who pushed for a open border- the very rich! I'm not blaming China or Mexico, but that doesn't mean that illegal immigrants aren't a huge negative for the US citizen. Again, that doesn't mean they're bad people, they just need to be deported.
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You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
I live better. Im not subject to MK Ultra experiments, bullshit Reagan regime, or around for the United States assassination of Martin luther King Jr. (United States found guilty in '99) Not to mention the failure of Vietnam. Or the LA riots.
It really was a bad time in america. 50's -80's full of brainwashing propaganda, that you are still defending.
http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
Oh look. A new troll.
There are several factors in comparing today and the sixties. Number one living conditions are far better for poor people today. The things we take for granted were uncommon then. Air conditioning. Phone calls were expensive as fuck and you had to make them tied to a handset. Dishwashers were a rarity. There's a lot more.
Then there was the fact that the rest of the world had recently been decimated and there was no competition to speak of. Once Japan got on its feet what happened to the auto industry in the US that had been pumping out shit quality for decades?
Then there are technology advances that allow an economy of production that used to require skills. Robots. In construction nail guns allow a huge increase in production and require far less skill. One guy with the knowledge can lead a crew of twelve monkeys that will produce more than twenty guys with skills 30 years ago.
Idiots are getting marginalized. As they should be.
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China isn't responsible; illegal immigration isn't responsible; YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE!
YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US!
And now all you people do is bitch and moan about how it's all the Mexicans fault, it's all because of illegal immigration, it's all because of Obama.
Fucking hypocrites stringing up scapegoats to try and undermine your own responsibility for the current state of affairs.
IMHO of course
"They outsourced so much labor"
No, the US working class didn't outsource their own jobs, the corporations bought off the politicians and the rest was history. There was a real political debate on this "free trade" nonsense in 1994 when Ross Perot demanded it shouldn't happen, once that ended the American people just kind of stood by idle and watched everything close down.
"YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE, YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US"
Well, you are correct to a certain degree, but to be fair most Americans were and still are pretty clueless when it comes to economic trade and globalization. It's a complex economic issue with lots of negatives and a few benefits, the MSM wasn't going to spell it out for them.
Also, all developed economies also fell into this trap, Japan, UK, and all of the EU are in the same boat. The average working class peasant didn't really have a choice in this matter, so I don't know why much responsibility one should put on them.
"hypocrites stringing up scapegoats"
We know who pushed for globalization- the very rich!! We know who pushed for a open border- the very rich! I'm not blaming China or Mexico, but that doesn't mean that illegal immigrants aren't a huge negative for the US citizen. Again, that doesn't mean they're bad people, they just need to be deported.
The root cause of globalization is the consumer who wants to pay less.
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FALSE The root cause of globalization is the producer who wants to pay less and make more.
No. A producer who can't compete becomes a non-producer. Profit margins are generally pretty slim.
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You really have no fucking clue at all. The stock market is not the consumer market. Apple is the perfect example
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/ive-always-wondered/how-much-would-all-american-iphone-cost
The iPhone would cost 3 times as much as it does. Which would put Apple out of the cellphone business. The iPhone would not even exist.
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The brand new iphone 6 costs $200.10 to produce by apple. Yet they are being sold $550-$600. That's a pretty high markup.
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http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/ive-always-wondered/how-much-would-all-american-iphone-cost
The iPhone would cost 3 times as much as it does. Which would put Apple out of the cellphone business. The iPhone would not even exist.
 I swear talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.
I'm not gonna say what talking to you is like. Your understanding of economics rivals that of Winnie the Pooh. If an iPhone costs $2000 nobody will buy it hence there will be no iPhone. La derr
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Children pay the price.
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Children pay the price.
I sometimes wonder why you even bother to share this stuff on this forum. The Shroomery's pub is the druggie arm of the Edge Lord Reddit Reject Crew. You think most of these people give a fuck about African children?
But I do appreciate your continued benevolence and good faith.
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One view. Just one person in the thread who decides to watch and is made to stop and think about the bigger picture. Thats why I do it. Most of the time theres little to no response in the thread, most in a thread lurk or stick with the immediate line of discussion, but theres always 1 or 2 in the shadows who wants to find out more.
People are inherently good, and how most people discuss in the Pub only bears superficial resemblance to their real life character.
I do it for the one that pays attention, who cares beyond the outcome of the discussion, in this case you.
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FALSE The root cause of globalization is the producer who wants to pay less and make more.
336 you are just about correct. Zappa you are out of touch with reality.
Fact: The producer wants to make more money by paying less for labor. So they go to other countries where they can pay a worker less than half what an American worker would get paid. Or they hire illegal immigrants and pay them the absolute minimum, actually some companies get away with paying less than the minimum. If the cost of labor goes up the cost of goods will also go up because producers want to keep their profits. Everyone should agree with this, if you don't then man I feel bad for you.
Obviously consumers want to pay less but they do not set prices for goods and services, the corporations and the free-market does. Producers will jack up prices as high as long as they don't start losing money because they raised prices so much consumers can't afford it.
Americans don't want the jobs illegals have unless they get paid well. Farming jobs are hard and americans won't work unless they get paid 15-20 an hour. So prices will go up!
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Do either of you two understand competition and pricing? What do you think the profit margins for most businesses are? For instance the health insurance industry? http://www.markfarrah.com/healthcare-business-strategy/Profit-Margins-Converge-for-Top-Health-Plans.aspx
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I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
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If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?
I think the one not understanding is you. Of course no one would pay $2000 for an Iphone, a consumer in their right mind would most likely go choose a substitute like an android for far cheaper. But we're talking about illegal immigration and agriculture here. You want me to explain competition and prices... Ok try following me here. I work in the commercial mushroom industry. I've been to over 100 farms and have only seen maybe a couple whites, and no one from any other race, everyone else is latino and maybe 98% of them are illegals. These people get paid the federal minimum which is $7.25 and trust me harvesting mushrooms and caring for them is not as easy as it sounds. In my opinion these people should be paid atleast 15-20 per hour easy, its hard ass work man! And it's sad because I make almost 5x what they make and I'm sitting on my ass all day and I love my job, these people don't like picking shrooms but they do because the have mouths to feed and they have no other opportunities.
Let's say hypothetically Trump get's elected and gets rid of all the illegals. In order for agricultural companies to give americans an incentive to work they'll have to raise wages by at least 2x. As a result the prices for these agricultural goods will also go up. Now lets not forget that we also receive foods from other countries which are competitors especially because the sell food at a cheaper price. So If the prices of American grown vegetables goes up because wages also went up since producers want to keep their current profit margin. Who do you think American consumers will buy vegetables from? The American grown crop that just inflated their prices or the international competitor that sells for far cheaper? How would this affect the american agricultural business? Just think about that for a bit.
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Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
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I also dont want to sound like i'm totally for immigration because I'm really not. We do have a bit of an immigration problem, I can admit that but it's not for the reason most of you people think about. And telling all these people to get their bags ready and GTFO is not the way to do it. Building a wall also isn't feasible especially when it's gonna cost billions of dollars. Fuckin stupid republican hypocrites cry about how much the government is spending but yet they want a multi-billion dollar wall. Why not spend these billions of dollars on our shitty education system that is an embarrassment among 1st world countries.
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It's also pretty ridiculous to argue that a foreign people with no prior knowledge of Europeans should be expected to provide documentation upon arrival of the white man to prove their claim to the fucking continent... I mean what's done is done, but that's ridiculous
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Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
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If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?
I think the one not understanding is you. Of course no one would pay $2000 for an Iphone, a consumer in their right mind would most likely go choose a substitute like an android for far cheaper. But we're talking about illegal immigration and agriculture here. You want me to explain competition and prices... Ok try following me here. I work in the commercial mushroom industry. I've been to over 100 farms and have only seen maybe a couple whites, and no one from any other race, everyone else is latino and maybe 98% of them are illegals. These people get paid the federal minimum which is $7.25 and trust me harvesting mushrooms and caring for them is not as easy as it sounds. In my opinion these people should be paid atleast 15-20 per hour easy, its hard ass work man! And it's sad because I make almost 5x what they make and I'm sitting on my ass all day and I love my job, these people don't like picking shrooms but they do because the have mouths to feed and they have no other opportunities.
Let's say hypothetically Trump get's elected and gets rid of all the illegals. In order for agricultural companies to give americans an incentive to work they'll have to raise wages by at least 2x. As a result the prices for these agricultural goods will also go up. Now lets not forget that we also receive foods from other countries which are competitors especially because the sell food at a cheaper price. So If the prices of American grown vegetables goes up because wages also went up since producers want to keep their current profit margin. Who do you think American consumers will buy vegetables from? The American grown crop that just inflated their prices or the international competitor that sells for far cheaper? How would this affect the american agricultural business? Just think about that for a bit.
Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
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Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
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336, I've just read through this entire thread and you should honestly be embarrassed about how little you know about the world if you're over 12 years old. It's a little pathetic, man. You have all of the information in the world at your fingertips, educate yourself. Virtually 100% of what you've said about illegal immigration is patently false.
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Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
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Care to explain?
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
I got no problem with that. Just like I got no problem telling the Japs Krauts and Limeys. I don't give a fuck. Name one nation on earth that isn't the result of some form of conquest. Will you please explain why your Apache brothers are still wallowing in poverty when they have access to everything that this country, built by Europeans, has to offer. Join us.
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
I got no problem with that. Just like I got no problem telling the Japs Krauts and Limeys. I don't give a fuck. Name one nation on earth that isn't the result of some form of conquest. Will you please explain why your Apache brothers are still wallowing in poverty when they have access to everything that this country, built by Europeans, has to offer. Join us.
Israel. You've asked this before.
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Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
If you want to know, most tribes were the ALLIES of these european countries due to trade. Many of them did fight europeans, alongside other europeans.
But once the US became a country, quite a few tribes were close allies with the US. My tribe(for example) were allies with the US since they became a country. We(and every south eastern tribe) were fucked by Andrew Jackson and forced along the trail of tears. My tribe fought against many tribes in the war of 1812, for the US. Even declining Tecumseh's plan to protect the lands.
Then as the US randomly claimed the rest of the continent, they forced, raped, and murdered whole tribes to take the land. There was no big war, it was genocide.
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price? 2)No I don't support slave labor in order to keep prices low. If u understood what I was saying you would know I want them to make more money. It sounds like you do support it though. Of course their work isn't exportable because its being consumed in the country duh!!! How is a restaurant worker going to export their services? wake the fuck up! 3) I don't support lower wages but again its the companies doing that. If it wasn't for the federal minimum wage law, all our bosses would be trying to pay us even lower wages. They don't care about you or me, they care about making their money. 4)Unemployment for "negroes" is about 20%, for young blacks its closer to 50%. Of course I want black people to get jobs but they wont be paid any different than illegals are for the same job. And they certainly don't want to be working the corn fields. 5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
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Hahaha this is hilarious! You pretty much told him he has the intelligence of a 12yo because of his position and that he is ignorant. He asks you to explain and give your position. You talk shit than ran like a pussy. 336 calls you out on it. And now ur like ur position is stupid because ur posting stupid memes and not articulating. Umm did you actually read what he's being saying? His position is pretty clear it just appears you have the reading comprehension of a 1st grader. I'm in no way defending 336, well maybe a bit. But I just had to call you out too.
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Bro this is like the first time I've even seen you. You must not have read many of my posts otherwise you would find that I often quote sources and statistics. I just get tired of arguing with Zap and Qman etc because every statistic and historical reference I give they simply ignore because "MURCA #1" (keep in my i'm joining the military, i don't hate America)
Check out some of the other illegal immigration threads and you'll see. Shit just look on page 6, I give a clear answer to Zap's question to which he never replied btw.
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Bro this is like the first time I've even seen you. You must not have read many of my posts otherwise you would find that I often quote sources and statistics. I just get tired of arguing with Zap and Qman etc because every statistic and historical reference I give they simply ignore because "MURCA #1" (keep in my i'm joining the military, i don't hate America)
Check out some of the other illegal immigration threads and you'll see. Shit just look on page 6, I give a clear answer to Zap's question to which he never replied btw.
Bro we can't win when stupidity outnumbers us.
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bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Then tell me...what are the positives?
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this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Then tell me...what are the positives?
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Everyone seems to forget they are descendants of immigrants in this country. What is especially troubling is all these Americans of Irish, Italian, and German descent that are now so anti-immigration. Don't you guys no history? Have you forgotten that Americans over 100 years ago hated ur ancestors coming from Ireland and these other countries. Before the mexicans it was the Europeans that were hated for migrating to the US. And now most of the descendants of these European immigrants are doing the same to the Mexicans. And yet most of this land was owned by Mexico until the U.S. took it away. So funny how quickly you all forget, or maybe you didn't forget, you just chose not to learn.
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this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Seconded, immigration and assimilation made this country great. Illegal immigration will undo it.
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TORCUTT said: Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.
The lions share of heroin comes from Mexico, same for methamphetamine. This is the result of marijuana legalization.
Cartels are losing the mj revenue to American growers, to compensate they have doubled down on crystal, coke and heroin. They also have keen business acumen, being able to capitalize on the rampant opioid prescription abuse.
Another favorite market is human trafficking, be it illegal migrant workers, sex slavery or OTM (other than mexican/central American/south American).
OTMs could be anything from Chinese to middle eastern.
I don't care about immigration...my grandfather is an immigrant. I thought my post implied that...my bad.
but yeah, its the illegals I want out.
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TORCUTT said: Ever think the baby boomers generation was overly racist filled with black segregation and shit? Brainwashed from then until forever.
You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
I live better. Im not subject to MK Ultra experiments, bullshit Reagan regime, or around for the United States assassination of Martin luther King Jr. (United States found guilty in '99) Not to mention the failure of Vietnam. Or the LA riots.
It really was a bad time in america. 50's -80's full of brainwashing propaganda, that you are still defending.
http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
Oh look. A new troll.
There are several factors in comparing today and the sixties. Number one living conditions are far better for poor people today. The things we take for granted were uncommon then. Air conditioning. Phone calls were expensive as fuck and you had to make them tied to a handset. Dishwashers were a rarity. There's a lot more.
Then there was the fact that the rest of the world had recently been decimated and there was no competition to speak of. Once Japan got on its feet what happened to the auto industry in the US that had been pumping out shit quality for decades?
Then there are technology advances that allow an economy of production that used to require skills. Robots. In construction nail guns allow a huge increase in production and require far less skill. One guy with the knowledge can lead a crew of twelve monkeys that will produce more than twenty guys with skills 30 years ago.
Idiots are getting marginalized. As they should be.
Where do you stand on the argument.? Because you just agrred with me that baby boomers fucked up that era, and things are better in this one. #teamdishwashers.
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If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?

These kind of replies to me show immaturity. There was no malice in Zappas question, and you respond with a trite meme. Also, you believe in curses? Automatically you come across as less rational now.
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there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
you're an anchor baby, plus also your mom goes to college.
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As your signature says "I am a woman inside a man, inside a horse"
Should i hold you accountable to being less rational for your clear delusions.? Curses are an expression, and do not dictate rationale.
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China isn't responsible; illegal immigration isn't responsible; YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE!
YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US!
And now all you people do is bitch and moan about how it's all the Mexicans fault, it's all because of illegal immigration, it's all because of Obama.
Fucking hypocrites stringing up scapegoats to try and undermine your own responsibility for the current state of affairs.
IMHO of course
"They outsourced so much labor"
No, the US working class didn't outsource their own jobs, the corporations bought off the politicians and the rest was history. There was a real political debate on this "free trade" nonsense in 1994 when Ross Perot demanded it shouldn't happen, once that ended the American people just kind of stood by idle and watched everything close down.
"YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE, YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US"
Well, you are correct to a certain degree, but to be fair most Americans were and still are pretty clueless when it comes to economic trade and globalization. It's a complex economic issue with lots of negatives and a few benefits, the MSM wasn't going to spell it out for them.
Also, all developed economies also fell into this trap, Japan, UK, and all of the EU are in the same boat. The average working class peasant didn't really have a choice in this matter, so I don't know why much responsibility one should put on them.
"hypocrites stringing up scapegoats"
We know who pushed for globalization- the very rich!! We know who pushed for a open border- the very rich! I'm not blaming China or Mexico, but that doesn't mean that illegal immigrants aren't a huge negative for the US citizen. Again, that doesn't mean they're bad people, they just need to be deported.
The root cause of globalization is the consumer who wants to pay less.
No, because the consumer lost their overall standard of living as a result. Did you see the jobs report this morning? What good is cheap products when the consumer is broke?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/business/economy/jobs-report-hiring-unemployment-wages-fed-rates.html?_r=0
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FALSE The root cause of globalization is the producer who wants to pay less and make more.
336 you are just about correct. Zappa you are out of touch with reality.
Fact: The producer wants to make more money by paying less for labor. So they go to other countries where they can pay a worker less than half what an American worker would get paid. Or they hire illegal immigrants and pay them the absolute minimum, actually some companies get away with paying less than the minimum. If the cost of labor goes up the cost of goods will also go up because producers want to keep their profits. Everyone should agree with this, if you don't then man I feel bad for you.
Obviously consumers want to pay less but they do not set prices for goods and services, the corporations and the free-market does. Producers will jack up prices as high as long as they don't start losing money because they raised prices so much consumers can't afford it.
Americans don't want the jobs illegals have unless they get paid well. Farming jobs are hard and americans won't work unless they get paid 15-20 an hour. So prices will go up!
So what if the prices went up, that's counterbalanced by the fact that US workers are now taxpayers and we don't have to provide hundreds of billions to illegals and their children, it's really not that complicated.
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What if we legalized the illegals, so they can pay taxes, so then the benifits they dont deserve, would be contributed towards?
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price? 2)No I don't support slave labor in order to keep prices low. If u understood what I was saying you would know I want them to make more money. It sounds like you do support it though. Of course their work isn't exportable because its being consumed in the country duh!!! How is a restaurant worker going to export their services? wake the fuck up! 3) I don't support lower wages but again its the companies doing that. If it wasn't for the federal minimum wage law, all our bosses would be trying to pay us even lower wages. They don't care about you or me, they care about making their money. 4)Unemployment for "negroes" is about 20%, for young blacks its closer to 50%. Of course I want black people to get jobs but they wont be paid any different than illegals are for the same job. And they certainly don't want to be working the corn fields. 5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
When you reduce the amount of labor (by deporting the illegals) available wages move higher, US workers would get paid more for the same work, that's not going to make prices go much higher, just profit margins would go lower, so be it. Do you have any economic study that shows what happen 30-50 years ago in the US? This isn't anything new.
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Having more poor people that can't pay for what they consume in tax benefits isn't a solution. Do you know who benefits from illegals being in the US? The ultra rich, why do you want them to get even richer at the expense of US citizens?
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Why habent we upped the taxes on the wealthy? Thatd fix that spectrum youd brought up. Then the less fourtante, would be in a better scope.
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There's a big difference between mixing Europeans with Europeans, and mixing Europeans with Africans or Latinos.
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It's very difficult to increase taxes on the wealthy for a variety of reasons. Even if we did generate more tax revenue from taxing the wealthy, it should go towards US citizens, not illegals and their children.
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
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Israel. You've asked this before.
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price?
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5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
Let me give you a bulletin. My entire career has been far more physically demanding than picking mushrooms. My point is the skill level required. A fucking monkey could be trained to do it.Quote:
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
Let the market, within the constraints of law, determine what the wage should be. We cannot afford to fuck our own people over by letting these cheats flood the market and depress wages while our own are standing on street corners.
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Achillita said: The brand new iphone 6 costs $200.10 to produce by apple. Yet they are being sold $550-$600. That's a pretty high markup.
Children pay the price.
oh, the great conspiracy of the white man killing the white man so a black man will oppress the black man for the white man's dollar
this jackass should have done his research, 'coltan' is tantalum, it's in anything that has a tantalum capacitor, that means it's in every single thing with any electronics, if he further read up on this shit instead of watching the youtube videos he'd have learned that tantalum wasnt being exported to australia, it was one of the major mining products of australia for decades with australia producing 70% of the world's supply, now that has changed since 2011 when australia stopped mining it but guess what, both Brazil and Rwanda produce more 'coltan' than than the DRC, combined it's 300% more
now why would this nice preacher man think that turning off a cell phone would do anything to affect the DRC? why would he lie and mislead us in such a way to think that a consumer electronic that uses less tantalum than any other consumer electronic on the market is going to have any effect on the poor little exploited children of the Congo
that computer you are currently using, there are no fewer than 40 tantalum capacitors in it strictly for noise control, that's in addition to the other IC and shit that require it, so if you want to make a difference, smash your computer, destroy the computers in the stores, make your stand by blowing up the producers or drive your ass to the congo and shut those mines down after you overthrow the government
the problem isnt the white man, the problem is the DRC government, this conspiracy theory doesnt work because the actual facts dont support it, stop youtubing your information from lying christians that want to manipulate you into believing some bullshit they gleaned from youtube and in the mean time, maybe we need to catch Joeseph Kony by spreading KONY2012 posters everywhere and donating millions to a guy that's pocketing the cash, getting drunk and masturbating in the streets to some piece of fiction he concocted about this tool being the most dangerous man alive.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: and then tell us illegal immigrants are the big problem.
illegal immigrants are the problem
that and liberals
illegals keep the wages low, why will a company pay someone $15/hr when they can get an illegal to do the job for minimum wage, so now to compete the poor have to work for the same wages as the illegals, liberals support this policy and give lip service to the almighty 'living wage'
did you destroy your coltan bearing TV and computer yet or will you only be turning off your cell phone for an hour each day in protest?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It's guys like trump who are partly responsible.. Guys like him who wouldn't think twice about outsourcing factories to maximize profits... Reading through this thread it seems besides unions Zappa actually knows what he's talking about
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Trump is a protectionist in his speeches but buys outsourced products. He has to because his competition is.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Trump is a protectionist in his speeches but buys outsourced products. He has to because his competition is.
Zappa. are you jumping on the trump train?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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And ps regarding the out sourced farming, all the government would have to do is raise the tariffs, so imported would be more expensive than local
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Achillita]
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Fuck no. I hate him. I have hated him for decades. Ya'll don't understand. I live right outside NYC. I'm in construction. I have known about this cunt for decades. He is not new to me like he is to most of you guys. And he isn't conservative. Nor is he even remotely qualified for the job he is seeking. It is not his area of expertise. He is a petulant brat who goes ape if he doesn't get exactly what he wants. Yeah, that works real well in a democracy.
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That doesn't make sense but I think I know what you mean. Do you know who doesn't want farming tariffs? American farmers. Because other countries will retaliate and we export a lot of food.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Was spit balling / talking out of my ass... Seemed like a good idea iam also suprised how much support he is getting, given all the documented accounts of him fucking people over... Let's be real he's a business man who didn't get to where he got by being a nice guy... Guys like that at the top manipulate and steer everything for it goes their way, no matter who they screw over.. Can't you guys see him flipping the switch as soon as he is elected and start steering everything towards his favor? ( tax breaks, laws etc that could help him and his business ventures)
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ok we will never agree on the economic side of things. But I do agree that something has to be done about illegal immigration. I just don't think it's right to deport all the illegals here especially the ones with families, build a wall, and prevent any more immigrants from coming in with visas.
Any illegals that have multiple violent crimes need to be deported immediately. Everyone else should be allowed to stay as long as they are working. They should be required to learn some English. Provide a path of citizenship and have them pay taxes. Also maybe provide an incentive for a work visa.
Enforce the border! Instead of building a multibillion gazillion dollar wall that will only provide jobs while it's being constructed for a few years. Hire more law enforcement to guard the border and pay them well. This will create long careers for a few thousand people. It will be less expensive and better for our economy. Plus, if a wall is built more officers would still need to be hired to guard it. As recent history shows they don't care if a wall is there, they'll find a way in.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Fuck no. I hate him. I have hated him for decades. Ya'll don't understand. I live right outside NYC. I'm in construction. I have known about this cunt for decades. He is not new to me like he is to most of you guys. And he isn't conservative. Nor is he even remotely qualified for the job he is seeking. It is not his area of expertise. He is a petulant brat who goes ape if he doesn't get exactly what he wants. Yeah, that works real well in a democracy.
so he's another obamabushclinton
there are only 2 things I like about Trump, the fact that he makes the media, liberal and conservative politicians choke and that fucking hair because that seems to be the only thing the liberals can find bad to say about him, kinda like how all they seemed to talk about with McCain is he couldnt raise his arms... and he was the devil.
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it's because he's a brash, hothead that tells it as the american people see it that he has the support, trump says that he wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, deport all the illegals and stop funding all the shit going on over seas, that's because while he is a dick, he's certainly more in touch with what the majority of the populace wants that the politicians. in the eyes of the world the US is the great satan and the ones the US and most of the world had have vilified for decades such as the Russians are now the supported leaders, know why that is?
because people like Putin and Trump arent afraid of offending people, in fact, it seems to be their goal to make people cry so they can tell them to pull their panties up and be a big boy. it's the same sort of leadership that earned support for reagan in the 80s and made the world admire the US for more than a century.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The only reason that buffoon is ahead is because there are so many others in the race. I think his support is topped out.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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it's because he's a brash, hothead that tells it as the american people see it that he has the support, trump says that he wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, deport all the illegals and stop funding all the shit going on over seas, that's because while he is a dick, he's certainly more in touch with what the majority of the populace wants that the politicians. in the eyes of the world the US is the great satan and the ones the US and most of the world had have vilified for decades such as the Russians are now the supported leaders, know why that is?
because people like Putin and Trump arent afraid of offending people, in fact, it seems to be their goal to make people cry so they can tell them to pull their panties up and be a big boy. it's the same sort of leadership that earned support for reagan in the 80s and made the world admire the US for more than a century.
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it's because he's a brash, hothead that tells it as the american people see it that he has the support, trump says that he wants to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, deport all the illegals and stop funding all the shit going on over seas, that's because while he is a dick, he's certainly more in touch with what the majority of the populace wants that the politicians. in the eyes of the world the US is the great satan and the ones the US and most of the world had have vilified for decades such as the Russians are now the supported leaders, know why that is?
because people like Putin and Trump arent afraid of offending people, in fact, it seems to be their goal to make people cry so they can tell them to pull their panties up and be a big boy. it's the same sort of leadership that earned support for reagan in the 80s and made the world admire the US for more than a century.
Ha! You really are dumber than advertised!
Dunno seemed more or less cogent to me. I don't agree that it's what the "majority" wants, though
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Give the burger flippers 15 bucks an hour damnit. Im tired of seeing that protest. Federal Reserve prints more money everyday than Hasbro prints monopoly money.. Umm.. whats backing the value of that paper? Sure aint Fort Knox. We lease all that to other countries.
Excess pool of labor. Thats why most of them are unemployed and waiting by the home depot to work for whoever comes and talks to them. They cant get any national job. Hello. They are local to the area. Workers. Which is typically fine cause either A) we want a career [so we dont need to worry about illegal competition] B) Sit on our fatasses and live off mommy and daddys money. C) Be homeless.
They really dont threatn your workpool unless you want to be an orchard laborer. Its not like if there are too many in the orchard, you cant work at the grocery store..
Illegal immigrants dominate alot of work force areas besides strawberry picking. Go to any factory in America and take a look at all the people. Not a lot of English speakers in the crowd.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: lowbrow]
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Restaurants and construction around here. Fat stupid Americans would rather be on the tit. I say take the tit away. That will incentivize work.
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zappaisgod said: Restaurants and construction around here. Fat stupid Americans would rather be on the tit. I say take the tit away. That will incentivize work.
I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.
Problem solved.
This is probably the only good thing you've said, let me expound.
Wars will be fought to be won, because its not really a war until everyones kid is fighting and dying. The biggest obstacle the American military will confront are American's, you know armchair generals.
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I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.
Problem solved.
A draft solves the illegal immigrant problem? 
@Zappa - Israel was awarded through a political process. No such conquest in that region happened.
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zappaisgod said: Restaurants and construction around here. Fat stupid Americans would rather be on the tit. I say take the tit away. That will incentivize work.
I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.
Problem solved.
So you believe in slavery. Good to know. So you want to draft everybody and then send them all, even the idiots, to college which will just further inflate the already bloated cost of college. And what of the ones that don't want to waste any more years puirsuing a bullshit education? What do they get out of it? And then there is the little matter of flooding the ranks of the greatest military the world has ever seen with idiots.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Webster10]
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I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.
Problem solved.
A draft solves the illegal immigrant problem? 
@Zappa - Israel was awarded through a political process. No such conquest in that region happened.
Every fucking border in the region is the result of conquest. And their borders today are not what you describe as awarded.
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My point about the college thing is that some people will get a benefit and others will not. I would be extremely surprised to find that many of them have that kind of bank but if they do good for them. I think most of them are pretty broke when they get out.
So you want to force young people to work on infrastructure.
I'm sorry but fuck that. I do not accept the idea of forced military OR forced civilian service. They are both slavery and will require that resentful utter incompetents be involved instead of people who can actually do the job and do it willingly. Just a dumb idea.
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Then let the disenfranchised youth enlist. This military is not the military of the past. They don't want a pile of losers to use for cannon fodder. Your attitude disgusts me. I actually had to face the idea of a draft but even then they didn't draft everybody although my lottery number said I was fucked. You are espousing the exact opposite of freedom. Why am I not surprised a leftist would do that?
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And oh yeah do you know who would really hate the idea of conscriptees working on infrastructure projects? Your union buddies. That is why they opposed workfare.
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So you're saying that you don't think military service would benefit the youth? You don't think it would help them to learn how to be more responsible and disciplined thus leading to a generation that would be more capable of making decisions based on more than their personal satisfaction and instead help them to think more about the nation as a whole?
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Look I'm not saying we need to draft a bunch of kinds and throw them into the infantry; there are dozens of positions that are non-combat related in the military that would help kids to pursue career options when they get out; such as auto/boat/air mechanics, divers, medicine, construction, etc etc etc.
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I've never been a part of a union and I don't have any union buddies. lol And I don't really favor or disfavor unions as my knowledge on the pros and cons of unions is lacking severely.
Your liberal con freres are all on board with them but I'll take you at your word.
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Wasn't it not so long ago that you said you were so angry about illegal immigration because you were thinking of the best of the nation as a whole? And that illegaimmigrants were hurting this nation? Aren't you being a little hypocritical now?
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As for the government existing to serve the individuals, what if the individuals and the government were one in the same? What if the country was unified instead of divided? Couldn't we accomplish a lot more?
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Bro, I'm not a liberal. You should know that by now on my stances with the military and gun rights. I try not to box myself into political associations that force me to follow the leader. Instead I try and develop my own opinions on individual issues.
My mother's side were right-wing conservatives and my dad's side is left-wing liberals (more-or-less) Thus I've tried to walk the fine line of balance in-between those two ideals.
You most certainly are a liberal. The espousal of government interference in the market and of forced enrollment in a draft clearly stamps you as batshhit crazy liberal.
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And this harming of individual citizens is by removing the option for them to work under-the-table below minimum wage jobs right? The nation is the people you fool! By trying to separate the two all you do is divide the nation into rulers and servants.
The nation is the people? What a lovely Kollektifist notion Komrade. All of the people are in constant conflict with their various interests and no two are the same. There is no Kollektif interest Komrade. I want the businesses to have to compete for labor that is legal and not be forced to rely on illegal border jumping scum bags who have no respect for our laws and are screwing over the people who actually try to do it legallyQuote:
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If so then they shouldn't have the vote. In my generation you awere and adult at 18. Either go to college or go to work.
Kids under 21 aren't allowed to drink; no one is allowed federally to indulge in many of the drugs that we talk about on this site; the idea that people in this nation are adults after they turn 18 is ridiculous and false. It's obvious when you look at the laws.
Drinking age is set by the state. Any state can drop it to 3 if they want. Do you know why it was raised to 21, (which by the way was well after I became 21). Because the federal government said they wouldn't get any highway funds if they didn't. Let us abolish federal highway funding. That is just in re the laws
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Right you mean picking between McDonald's and Burger King? Blue Cross or Blue shield? Geico or Allstate? We don't really have many choices Zap, it's an illusion. They are boxes with different wrapping and that's all.
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See the biggest difference between me and you is that you associate yourself with a political belief system that makes it very difficult to make decisions and formulate opinions that go against your political alliance.
I am an alliance of one. You are a Kollektiffist.
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Asante said: and then tell us illegal immigrants are the big problem.
illegal immigrants are the problem
that and liberals
illegals keep the wages low, why will a company pay someone $15/hr when they can get an illegal to do the job for minimum wage, so now to compete the poor have to work for the same wages as the illegals, liberals support this policy and give lip service to the almighty 'living wage'
did you destroy your coltan bearing TV and computer yet or will you only be turning off your cell phone for an hour each day in protest?
LOL Nice post. Full of hard ball hitting truth. *Troof
It's always amusing to see people like Asante try to exploit an unethical happening like "coltan mining" in the Congo for shock value and as a form of psychological manipulation. It's ironic, because these very same people wouldn't be caught dead doing something drastic and meaningful for their cause, like giving up and refusing to use the various technologies equipped with coltan.
Same goes for those who insist that the Iraq war was just a ploy and that the real venture was seizing and apprehending the oil wells. They love pointing their fingers at Uncle Sam, and demonizing the American establishment. Yet not a single one of them would dare to even think about giving up driving their sports utility vehicles, vehicles that are fueled by the very same oil which they state is infused with the blood of Iraqi and Afghani children.
Just goes to show how superficial the nature of the human species really is. All talk, no revolution.
Oh one more thing, Prisoner#1, we ARE going to be apprehending your firearms, that's just a stone cold fact. You probably wont like it, and you're not alone on that, but you'll do absolutely nothing to stop it.
It's almost time now.
Be prepared.
As far as immigration goes, I honestly believe that the immigrants here now both documented and undocumented should be showing the American establishment a hell of a lot more gratitude, they should be kissing uncle Sam's red white and blue feet. Also, show us born citizens some Goddamn courtesy. Instead of prancing about with an entitlement complex and expecting/demanding us to be considerate/educated of your culture, how about you actually acknowledge that ours exists first. We see you, we saw you coming from 10 miles down the road, now how about you return the favor and turn your head our way to see us.
Illegal immigration is a capitalist's wet dream come true. Don't get me wrong there's suffering on both sides. Americans affected by it suffer from inability to find employment. The immigrants affected suffer from sweatshop like work environments with really no place else to go. Like the above poster said, Greedy farmers love hiring illegal immigrants because they can get away with paying them ridiculously low wages. On top of that, they don't have to worry about labor laws, like overtime or excessive long hours or paying for health insurance or paying liability insurance in case one of the workers is injured on the job. If that happens they'll just throw him/her out like a used condom, next. It's a really sad story, but it's true and it happens all the time on America's sweat farms.
There is no such thing as "jobs Americans won't do", this is a myth that has been thoroughly debunked, time and time again. There are however jobs/employers that refuse to employ American citizens. Farmers meticulously avoid hiring America citizens to get out of paying legitimate wages, paying for health insurance and of course all the other liabilities that comes with maintaining an up to code workplace environment.
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The truth is America is supposed to be "By the people for the people"; that means that the nation and the individual are supposed to be one in the same. Unfortunately that is not the case as you pointed out. Instead we are just another kingdom masquerading as something else. We are just slaves pretending we are free. You can't see that because you have been blinded your whole life into believing you are free when really you are not.
We are supposed to be The UNITED States of America; not The Divided States of America. We are supposed to be ONE nation that is INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all.
This is obviously not the case. Our country has been hijacked by the elite, by the royalty-class that has spent generations to divide and conquer nations and set themselves atop the bones of fallen slaves that thought because they got to choose how they would slave away their lives that they were free...
I don't expect you to understand. You come from a generation where you're knowledge base was drilled into you by the power structure of the elite; designed to delude, confuse, and enslave you into believing things that are lies.
The biggest force of oppression in this country is the Kollekitifist bums who take the money I earned and give it to worthless shitbags who I don't even know. You come from a generation that had Kollektifist Marxist claptrap and political correctness drilled into your head. My generation did not get trophies for showing up.
As far as I'm concerned I am the elite. And I am getting screwed not by people with more money but by people with less money demanding that I support them. The rabble are running he show.
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I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.
Problem solved.
just what we need, more people with liberal arts degrees working at McDonalds and complaining about how they went to college that they cant find a job in their educated fields of talking nonsense, racism and vagina owner studies
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I wouldn't buy it if it cost $200. I am done with Apple. My daughters iPod battery died so I took it to the Apple store to get a new battery. They wouldn't fix it and said we could have a new one because it was still under warranty. "What about all the music on it", I asked. "Gone", they said. I left, went on the internet, found a ipod battery replacement kit and did it myself. I will say that it was quiote a delicate operation but there was no fucking reason for Apple to refuse to do it except to screw over idiots and suckers. That left a very bad taste in my mouth and they can go fuck themselves forever.
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As far as I'm concerned I am the elite. And I am getting screwed not by people with more money but by people with less money demanding that I support them. The rabble are running he show.

I don't think you really understood a word I said.
I'm so glad your generation is only a decade or so away from the retirement home. Can't come soon enough if you ask me.
I've your claptrap repeated by puppet after macaw.
Your precious generation is going to miss us when we're gone because then you are going to have to do all the heavy lifting and I think a great many of you are not prepared.
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Your precious generation is going to miss us when we're gone because then you are going to have to do all the heavy lifting and I think a great many of you are not prepared.
Lol it's your generation that fucked everything up for us just fyi. Basically the majority of you just shitted on everything and now your getting old and blaming everyone else but yourselves and leaving us to clean up your fucking mess.
We fucked shit up? You are a bunch of spoiled brats. Who do you think built all the shit you use? Give me a call when your generation does something worth a shit.
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Okay everyone, chop chop!
All you pale-faced motherfuckers get out of the country. You are no longer wanted in America New India. Take all your genocidal Columbus-type holidays with you!
Bill_Oreilly The Indian has spoken.
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Who do you think invented the internet and the computer you're using and your smartphone? It wasn't you guys. You aint done shit yet.
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It was me.
But, I'm a bit older than dirt.
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107.
How old are you, Zappaisgod.
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It wasn't your generation either. It was the one between us. Who basically fucked up just as bad as you guys just in different ways.
Yes it was. What generation do you think Steve Jobs belonged to?
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How old are you, Zappaisgod.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Korea

http://www.forbes.com/places/south-korea/ "South Korea over the past four decades has demonstrated incredible growth and global integration to become a high-tech industrialized economy. In the 1960s, GDP per capita was comparable with levels in the poorer countries of Africa and Asia. In 2004, South Korea joined the trillion-dollar club of world economies, and is currently the world's 12th largest economy. Initially, a system of close government and business ties, including directed credit and import restrictions, made this success possible." -Forbes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_South_Korea "Conscription, also known as mandatory military service or compulsory national service, is legislated in South Korea, with military service stated in Chapter II Article 39 of the Constitution of the Republic of Korea for all citizens. The current Conscription Law, enacted in 1965, however, applies only to males, aged between 18 and 35,[1] although women are allowed to enroll in the Reserve Officers' Training Corps as of 2010.[2]
It is administered by the Military Manpower Administration. There are two tiers of service: active duty or non-active duty service.[3] Length of service varies according to branches: 21 months for Army and Marine Corps, 23 months for Navy, 24 months for Air Force.[4] The non-active duty service, e.g. civil service or public service worker, is from 24 months to 36 months."
So suck on that Zap. You're position that conscription would hurt the country instead of help it is further degraded.
Well that's an irrelevant nonsequitur
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Israel and Switzerland also have it and they both thrive as well. What does that have to do with the economy?
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How does it not? Mandatory conscription is a major part of a country's operation. You don't think it would affect it's economy? Not saying every country with conscription has a healthy growing economy (North Korea for example) but it would seem that more democratic/capitalist countries do.
That said who knows if conscription would benefit America. 
However the fact that a very large percentage of the youth is either unemployed, in debt, or working low-paying jobs would suggest that it might actually help.
No it isn't. What do they produce while they are in the army?
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You like slavery. I get it. Why not conscript everybody?
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I say let the ones that will actually contribute come but they should be screened and if they do something wrong, depending on the severity throw them in prison or execute depending on crime and also deport them and their families after. The migrants that don't cause troubles will be ok and the ones that do will gotten ridden of and so will their families. I mean they should at least be given a chance to succeed like my ancestors and yours imo.
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Do you support K-12 schooling for children? Because that's essentially slavery too right? I mean the children and the parents don't legally have a say in whether or not their kids go to school. Even if you lump homeschooling in their it is still mandatory and the kids still have to take tests provided by the state.
School is slavery? Pray tell just what does the school get from the child?
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This is actually pretty much the law. It is not being enforced. Unscreened invaders stay here for decades, ripping taxpayers off, sucking resources and depressing wages for low level workers.
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Do you support K-12 schooling for children? Because that's essentially slavery too right? I mean the children and the parents don't legally have a say in whether or not their kids go to school. Even if you lump homeschooling in their it is still mandatory and the kids still have to take tests provided by the state.
School is slavery? Pray tell just what does the school get from the child?
Well first of all schools would cease to exist if it weren't for the children that are forced to attend them and secondly subsidies are provided to schools with large student bodies.
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Do you support K-12 schooling for children? Because that's essentially slavery too right? I mean the children and the parents don't legally have a say in whether or not their kids go to school. Even if you lump homeschooling in their it is still mandatory and the kids still have to take tests provided by the state.
School is slavery? Pray tell just what does the school get from the child?
Well first of all schools would cease to exist if it weren't for the children that are forced to attend them and secondly subsidies are provided to schools with large student bodies.
What does that have to do with slavery?
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I'm definitely against illegal immigration. shit is just unfair, to the tax payers and also to the people waiting to get here legally.
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I don't think it's against their will. I think they are quite happy to have it.
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FYI if the 10+ million illegals waiting to legally get in it would take them decades of waiting. I made a whole topic about it. Google it if you don't believe me.
Plus if you're concerned about the taxpayers alone you could simply legalize the illegals, thus allowing them to pay their fair share of taxes.
The illegals will never ever produce a net return. Unless you get well above the median income level you are a net loss. No illegals should ever be allowed in. They have demonstrated that they do not respect our laws. Then there is the issue of the labor force participation rate of Americans. It is in the toilet. Last month's jobs report was garbage
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lol
You have so lost this debate. Now it's just sad.
What part of they don't have to is beyond your understanding?
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Jesus Christ Zap. Are you serious? You know how many kids would rather be out playing than going to school? About 99% of them.
Just admit defeat man.
Kids do not get to make the decisions. Their parents do.
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Yes they do. They have a choice of how to educate their children. The children have no say in the matter.
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Yeah, I am right. Going to school is nothing like conscription or slavery and only a drooling retard would even draw a similarity.
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You're right GOING to school is nothing like conscription. Being FORCED to go to school is though...
Only a senile old man would be unable to see that.
You aren't forced to go to school.
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In both states you can be home schooled. In both states you can fail every test. You don't have to do any work at all. But it takes a real drooler to equate that with conscription or to even draw the analogy.
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Even if you are home-schooled it must first be APPROVED by the STATE. And even if it is approved you MUST still take the STATE tests.
Why is this so hard to get through you thick skull?
Which you can fail every time. Just like you can fail every test in public school. That still does not come close to establishing an equivalency to conscription. That is just idiotic.
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And you think that is the same as conscription?
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Sending kids to school at great expense for their benefit is not forced labor for the benefit of the state. The reason it is compulsory is to prevent forced child labor. When we were an agrarian society there was no requirement to attend schools and no restrictions on child laber. Instead the little fuckers were put to work in the fields.
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So... Are we getting rid of the illegal Mexicans, Chinese, or all the white folk this time?
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The fact of the matter is that forced schooling is in essence the same as forced military service. Both FORCE citizens to do things regardless of whether or not they want to do them.
And here we have the lunacy fully exposed. Is taxation conscription? Because it forces me to work for the government. Get a dictionary and stop pleasuring yourself so much
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There were no illegals until there were US laws. All of them out.
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The fact of the matter is that forced schooling is in essence the same as forced military service. Both FORCE citizens to do things regardless of whether or not they want to do them.
And here we have the lunacy fully exposed. Is taxation conscription? Because it forces me to work for the government. Get a dictionary and stop pleasuring yourself so much
 I give up your a hopeless old man stuck in a thought loop that has been pounded into you for decades. Like they say, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" I don't like making fun of old people but for you I'll make an exception. You're pen and paper bro, the world has moved on to computers.
Your time is up.

Want to know a secret? On top of everything else you generation has done to fuck up this country the simple fact is that you guys are living to old and when you finally do hit retirement it is going to be your generation that sinks this country entirely into the ground. Congratulations. Don't worry the GOP and Fox News will continue to blame it all on Mexicans and the poor so you won't have to worry about ever taking responsibility. Love you!
Yeah you are right Zappa himself destroyed this country.
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If the "white folk" are here illegally, then they are out!! They can apply for US citizenship back in their homelands.
Also, Puerto Rico should have never been made a US territory, they should maybe be deported if they change that law.
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If the "white folk" are here illegally, then they are out!! They can apply for US citizenship back in their homelands.
Also, Puerto Rico should have never been made a US territory, they should maybe be deported if they change that law.
So basically all white people have to return to Europe then right?
If they are here ILLEGALLY!! Do you are a reading comprehension problem? The large majority of whites in the US are here legally. That's why it's so easy to round up the illegals, we know what they look like 99.9% of the time.
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If the "white folk" are here illegally, then they are out!! They can apply for US citizenship back in their homelands.
Also, Puerto Rico should have never been made a US territory, they should maybe be deported if they change that law.
So basically all white people have to return to Europe then right?
If they are here ILLEGALLY!! Do you are a reading comprehension problem? The large majority of whites in the US are here legally. That's why it's so easy to round up the illegals, we know what they look like 99.9% of the time.
Oh yeah that's right nothing before the Europeans got here came to America ever happened or was legitimate. I forgot. The fact that Europeans illegally immigrated here, breaking treaties and invading tribal boundaries doesn't count.
My bad.
That's OK, at least you recognized your error. The US was founded and made into a superpower by white Europeans, you should be on your knees thanking them everyday for that fact.
Everything that you enjoy was invented by white people, maybe it's time your show some appreciation instead of the contempt you hold against people that made your life very easy.
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And don't forget rap music.
If it wasn't for Vanilla Ice and Eminem, we'd have no rhythm in this country.
"Go, white boy! Go, white boy! Go!"
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