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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Webster10]
    #22327410 - 10/03/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Restaurants and construction around here.  Fat stupid Americans would rather be on the tit.  I say take the tit away.  That will incentivize work.



I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.

Problem solved.



A draft solves the illegal immigrant problem? :huxleyfacepalm:



@Zappa - Israel was awarded through a political process. No such conquest in that region happened.




Every fucking border in the region is the result of conquest.  And their borders today are not what you describe as awarded.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328037 - 10/03/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My point about the college thing is that some people will get a benefit and others will not.  I would be extremely surprised to find that many of them have that kind of bank but if they do good for them.  I think most of them are pretty broke when they get out. 

So you want to force young people to work on infrastructure. 

I'm sorry but fuck that.  I do not accept the idea of forced military OR forced civilian service.  They are both slavery and will require that resentful utter incompetents be involved instead of people who can actually do the job and do it willingly.  Just a dumb idea.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328143 - 10/03/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Then let the disenfranchised youth enlist.  This military is not the military of the past.  They don't want a pile of losers to use for cannon fodder.  Your attitude disgusts me.  I actually had to face the idea of a draft but even then they didn't draft everybody although my lottery number said I was fucked.  You are espousing the exact opposite of freedom.  Why am I not surprised a leftist would do that?


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328153 - 10/03/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And oh yeah do you know who would really hate the idea of conscriptees working on infrastructure projects?  Your union buddies.  That is why they opposed workfare.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328241 - 10/03/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Then let the disenfranchised youth enlist.  This military is not the military of the past.  They don't want a pile of losers to use for cannon fodder.  Your attitude disgusts me.  I actually had to face the idea of a draft but even then they didn't draft everybody although my lottery number said I was fucked.  You are espousing the exact opposite of freedom.  Why am I not surprised a leftist would do that?



So you're saying that you don't think military service would benefit the youth? You don't think it would help them to learn how to be more responsible and disciplined thus leading to a generation that would be more capable of making decisions based on more than their personal satisfaction and instead help them to think more about the nation as a whole?




I do not think every young person would benefit and I do not think that thinking about the nation should be any one's first concern.  JFK had it exactly backwards.  The government exists to serve the individuals.  Do not misconstrue this as me supporting wealth redistribution.  That is NOT serving individuals. 
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Look I'm not saying we need to draft a bunch of kinds and throw them into the infantry; there are dozens of positions that are non-combat related in the military that would help kids to pursue career options when they get out; such as auto/boat/air mechanics, divers, medicine, construction, etc etc etc.

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And oh yeah do you know who would really hate the idea of conscriptees working on infrastructure projects?  Your union buddies.  That is why they opposed workfare.



I've never been a part of a union and I don't have any union buddies. lol
And I don't really favor or disfavor unions as my knowledge on the pros and cons of unions is lacking severely.




Your liberal con freres are all on board with them but I'll take you at your word.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328410 - 10/03/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I do not think every young person would benefit and I do not think that thinking about the nation should be any one's first concern.  JFK had it exactly backwards.  The government exists to serve the individuals.  Do not misconstrue this as me supporting wealth redistribution.  That is NOT serving individuals. 



Wasn't it not so long ago that you said you were so angry about illegal immigration because you were thinking of the best of the nation as a whole? And that illegaimmigrants were hurting this nation? Aren't you being a little hypocritical now?




Illegal immigration is harming our citizens.  Individual people.  Fuck the nation if it does not serve the people.
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As for the government existing to serve the individuals, what if the individuals and the government were one in the same? What if the country was unified instead of divided? Couldn't we accomplish a lot more?




Unicorns farting skittles.  Politics is conflict resolution.  There is no way everybody is going to have the same interests.  Ever
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Think about it; from the ages of 18-22 people are still children,




If so then they shouldn't have the vote.  In my generation you awere and adult at 18.  Either go to college or go to work. 
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they act impulsively and stupidly, even the ones that go to college waste the majority of their time fucking off.


especially the ones that go to college
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Think, instead of kids wasting those years what if they were put into a constructive place where they learned various skills that would actually provide them with the "tools necessary for them to pursue their dreams when they got out.  Why do they need slavery to learn skills?  Just get a fucking job.  Freely.  Of your own choice among what you can get. 
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Your liberal con freres are all on board with them but I'll take you at your word.



Bro, I'm not a liberal. You should know that by now on my stances with the military and gun rights.
I try not to box myself into political associations that force me to follow the leader.
Instead I try and develop my own opinions on individual issues.

My mother's side were right-wing conservatives and my dad's side is left-wing liberals (more-or-less)
Thus I've tried to walk the fine line of balance in-between those two ideals.




You most certainly are a liberal.  The espousal of government interference in the market and of forced enrollment in a draft clearly stamps you as batshhit crazy liberal.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22328585 - 10/03/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Illegal immigration is harming our citizens.  Individual people.  Fuck the nation if it does not serve the people.



And this harming of individual citizens is by removing the option for them to work under-the-table below minimum wage jobs right? The nation is the people you fool! By trying to separate the two all you do is divide the nation into rulers and servants.




The nation is the people?  What a lovely Kollektifist notion Komrade.  All of the people are in constant conflict with their various interests and no two are the same.  There is no Kollektif interest Komrade.  I want the businesses to have to compete for labor that is legal and not be forced to rely on illegal border jumping scum bags who have no respect for our laws and are screwing over the people who actually try to do it legally
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Unicorns farting skittles.  Politics is conflict resolution.  There is no way everybody is going to have the same interests.  Ever



I didn't say to do away with politics, what I was saying is that military service often helps people to understand that they are part of a whole, part of a nation, rather then individuals who are only out to better themselves.


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No.  The government exists to serve the individual.  Not the other way around
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If so then they shouldn't have the vote.  In my generation you awere and adult at 18.  Either go to college or go to work.



Kids under 21 aren't allowed to drink; no one is allowed federally to indulge in many of the drugs that we talk about on this site; the idea that people in this nation are adults after they turn 18 is ridiculous and false.
It's obvious when you look at the laws.




Drinking age is set by the state.  Any state can drop it to 3 if they want.  Do you know why it was raised to 21, (which by the way was well after I became 21).  Because the federal government said they wouldn't get any highway funds if they didn't.  Let us abolish federal highway funding.  That is just in re the laws

Then they shouldn't get to vote.  I couldn't vote until I was 21.  Do you know why they dropped the age?  Because of the draft.
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Why do they need slavery to learn skills?  Just get a fucking job.  Freely.  Of your own choice among what you can get.



Right you mean picking between McDonald's and Burger King? Blue Cross or Blue shield? Geico or Allstate?
We don't really have many choices Zap, it's an illusion. They are boxes with different wrapping and that's all.




No it isn't.  It certainly wasn't an illusion for me or my friends or my children.  They all had choices.  Sometimes they worked low paying summer jobs.  It taught them a work ethic
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You most certainly are a liberal.  The espousal of government interference in the market and of forced enrollment in a draft clearly stamps you as batshhit crazy liberal.



See the biggest difference between me and you is that you associate yourself with a political belief system that makes it very difficult to make decisions and formulate opinions that go against your political alliance.




I am an alliance of one.  You are a Kollektiffist.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22328598 - 10/03/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, they're dissecting illusions, it's getting hot in here!

Don't mind me, boys, I'm just going to take of my shirt. My rippling body is so hot and moist!


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329054 - 10/03/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and then tell us illegal immigrants are the big problem.





illegal immigrants are the problem

that and liberals

illegals keep the wages low, why will a company pay someone $15/hr when they can
get an illegal to do the job for minimum wage, so now to compete the poor have to
work for the same wages as the illegals, liberals support this policy and give lip
service to the almighty 'living wage'


did you destroy your coltan bearing TV and computer yet or will you only be
turning off your cell phone for an hour each day in protest?




LOL Nice post. Full of hard ball hitting truth. *Troof

It's always amusing to see people like Asante try to exploit an unethical happening like "coltan mining" in the Congo for shock value and as a form of psychological manipulation. It's ironic, because these very same people wouldn't be caught dead doing something drastic and meaningful for their cause, like giving up and refusing to use the various technologies equipped with coltan.

Same goes for those who insist that the Iraq war was just a ploy and that the real venture was seizing and apprehending the oil wells. They love pointing their fingers at Uncle Sam, and demonizing the American establishment. Yet not a single one of them would dare to even think about giving up driving their sports utility vehicles, vehicles that are fueled by the very same oil which they state is infused with the blood of Iraqi and Afghani children.

Just goes to show how superficial the nature of the human species really is. All talk, no revolution. 

Oh one more thing, Prisoner#1, we ARE going to be apprehending your firearms, that's just a stone cold fact. You probably wont like it, and you're not alone on that, but you'll do absolutely nothing to stop it.

It's almost time now.

Be prepared.

As far as immigration goes, I honestly believe that the immigrants here now both documented and undocumented should be showing the American establishment a hell of a lot more gratitude, they should be kissing uncle Sam's red white and blue feet. Also, show us born citizens some Goddamn courtesy. Instead of prancing about with an entitlement complex and expecting/demanding us to be considerate/educated of your culture, how about you actually acknowledge that ours exists first. We see you, we saw you coming from 10 miles down the road, now how about you return the favor and turn your head our way to see us.


Illegal immigration is a capitalist's wet dream come true. Don't get me wrong there's suffering on both sides. Americans affected by it suffer from inability to find employment. The immigrants affected suffer from sweatshop like work environments with really no place else to go. Like the above poster said, Greedy farmers love hiring illegal immigrants because they can get away with paying them ridiculously low wages. On top of that, they don't have to worry about labor laws, like overtime or excessive long hours or paying for health insurance or paying liability insurance in case one of the workers is injured on the job. If that happens they'll just throw him/her out like a used condom, next. It's a really sad story, but it's true and it happens all the time on America's sweat farms.

There is no such thing as "jobs Americans won't do", this is a myth that has been thoroughly debunked, time and time again. There are however jobs/employers that refuse to employ American citizens. Farmers meticulously avoid hiring America citizens to get out of paying legitimate wages, paying for  health insurance and of course all the other liabilities that comes with maintaining an up to code workplace environment.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329138 - 10/03/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whatever you say Zap. One moment you're talking about how you want the best for the nation and the next you're saying fuck the nation. You're a hypocrite that is constantly flip-flopping because your ideals and opinions are based on indoctrination into right/left politics.

The truth is America is supposed to be "By the people for the people"; that means that the nation and the individual are supposed to be one in the same. Unfortunately that is not the case as you pointed out. Instead we are just another kingdom masquerading as something else. We are just slaves pretending we are free. You can't see that because you have been blinded your whole life into believing you are free when really you are not.

We are supposed to be The UNITED States of America; not The Divided States of America.
We are supposed to be ONE nation that is INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all.

This is obviously not the case. Our country has been hijacked by the elite, by the royalty-class that has spent generations to divide and conquer nations and set themselves atop the bones of fallen slaves that thought because they got to choose how they would slave away their lives that they were free...

I don't expect you to understand. You come from a generation where you're knowledge base was drilled into you by the power structure of the elite; designed to delude, confuse, and enslave you into believing things that are lies.




The biggest force of oppression in this country is the Kollekitifist bums who take the money I earned and give it to worthless shitbags who I don't even know.  You come from a generation that had Kollektifist Marxist claptrap and political correctness drilled into your head.  My generation did not get trophies for showing up. 

As far as I'm concerned I am the elite.  And I am getting screwed not by people with more money but by people with less money demanding that I support them.  The rabble are running he show.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329153 - 10/03/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Restaurants and construction around here.  Fat stupid Americans would rather be on the tit.  I say take the tit away.  That will incentivize work.



I say we need to bring back a mandatory draft. Young people can learn skills, save up money, and have their college tuition paid for when they get out.

Problem solved.





just what we need, more people with liberal arts degrees working at McDonalds and
complaining about how they went to college that they cant find a job in their
educated fields of talking nonsense, racism  and vagina owner studies


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22329167 - 10/03/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?




Many, many, many people still would.. sadly.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Shroomism]
    #22329303 - 10/03/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't buy it if it cost $200.  I am done with Apple.  My daughters iPod battery died so I took it to the Apple store to get a new battery.  They wouldn't fix it and said we could have a new one because it was still under warranty.  "What about all the music on it", I asked.  "Gone", they said.  I left, went on the internet, found a ipod battery replacement kit and did it myself.  I will say that it was quiote a delicate operation but there was no fucking reason for Apple to refuse to do it except to screw over idiots and suckers.  That left a very bad taste in my mouth and they can go fuck themselves forever.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329311 - 10/03/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The biggest force of oppression in this country is the Kollekitifist bums who take the money I earned and give it to worthless shitbags who I don't even know.  You come from a generation that had Kollektifist Marxist claptrap and political correctness drilled into your head.  My generation did not get trophies for showing up. 

As far as I'm concerned I am the elite.  And I am getting screwed not by people with more money but by people with less money demanding that I support them.  The rabble are running he show.



:shitdude:

I don't think you really understood a word I said.

I'm so glad your generation is only a decade or so away from the retirement home.
Can't come soon enough if you ask me.




I've your claptrap repeated by puppet after macaw. 

Your precious generation is going to miss us when we're gone because then you are going to have to do all the heavy lifting and I think a great many of you are not prepared.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329607 - 10/03/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've your claptrap repeated by puppet after macaw. 

Your precious generation is going to miss us when we're gone because then you are going to have to do all the heavy lifting and I think a great many of you are not prepared.



Lol it's your generation that fucked everything up for us just fyi.
Basically the majority of you just shitted on everything and now your getting old and blaming everyone else but yourselves and leaving us to clean up your fucking mess.




We fucked shit up?  You are a bunch of spoiled brats.  Who do you think built all the shit you use?  Give me a call when your generation does something worth a shit.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22329693 - 10/03/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329734 - 10/03/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay everyone, chop chop!

All you pale-faced motherfuckers get out of the country. You are no longer wanted in America New India. Take all your genocidal Columbus-type holidays with you!

Bill_Oreilly The Indian has spoken.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329765 - 10/03/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Who do you think invented the internet and the computer you're using and your smartphone?  It wasn't you guys.  You aint done shit yet.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22329780 - 10/03/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It was me.

But, I'm a bit older than dirt.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22329785 - 10/03/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How old are you 336?


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