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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Bill_Oreilly said: there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Then tell me...what are the positives?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
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Bill_Oreilly said: there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Then tell me...what are the positives?
You're the descendant of a foreigner.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
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Everyone seems to forget they are descendants of immigrants in this country. What is especially troubling is all these Americans of Irish, Italian, and German descent that are now so anti-immigration. Don't you guys no history? Have you forgotten that Americans over 100 years ago hated ur ancestors coming from Ireland and these other countries. Before the mexicans it was the Europeans that were hated for migrating to the US. And now most of the descendants of these European immigrants are doing the same to the Mexicans. And yet most of this land was owned by Mexico until the U.S. took it away. So funny how quickly you all forget, or maybe you didn't forget, you just chose not to learn.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Bill_Oreilly said: there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
bullshit
this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration
I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration
Seconded, immigration and assimilation made this country great. Illegal immigration will undo it.
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TORCUTT said: Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.
The lions share of heroin comes from Mexico, same for methamphetamine. This is the result of marijuana legalization.
Cartels are losing the mj revenue to American growers, to compensate they have doubled down on crystal, coke and heroin. They also have keen business acumen, being able to capitalize on the rampant opioid prescription abuse.
Another favorite market is human trafficking, be it illegal migrant workers, sex slavery or OTM (other than mexican/central American/south American).
OTMs could be anything from Chinese to middle eastern.
I don't care about immigration...my grandfather is an immigrant. I thought my post implied that...my bad.
but yeah, its the illegals I want out.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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TORCUTT said: Ever think the baby boomers generation was overly racist filled with black segregation and shit? Brainwashed from then until forever.
You would kill to live half as good as they did, they weren't brainwashed, they used commonsense and didn't follow some stupid PC rule book.
I live better. Im not subject to MK Ultra experiments, bullshit Reagan regime, or around for the United States assassination of Martin luther King Jr. (United States found guilty in '99) Not to mention the failure of Vietnam. Or the LA riots.
It really was a bad time in america. 50's -80's full of brainwashing propaganda, that you are still defending.
http://mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/
Oh look. A new troll.
There are several factors in comparing today and the sixties. Number one living conditions are far better for poor people today. The things we take for granted were uncommon then. Air conditioning. Phone calls were expensive as fuck and you had to make them tied to a handset. Dishwashers were a rarity. There's a lot more.
Then there was the fact that the rest of the world had recently been decimated and there was no competition to speak of. Once Japan got on its feet what happened to the auto industry in the US that had been pumping out shit quality for decades?
Then there are technology advances that allow an economy of production that used to require skills. Robots. In construction nail guns allow a huge increase in production and require far less skill. One guy with the knowledge can lead a crew of twelve monkeys that will produce more than twenty guys with skills 30 years ago.
Idiots are getting marginalized. As they should be.
Where do you stand on the argument.? Because you just agrred with me that baby boomers fucked up that era, and things are better in this one. #teamdishwashers.
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zappaisgod said: Do either of you two understand competition and pricing? What do you think the profit margins for most businesses are? For instance the health insurance industry? http://www.markfarrah.com/healthcare-business-strategy/Profit-Margins-Converge-for-Top-Health-Plans.aspx
If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?

These kind of replies to me show immaturity. There was no malice in Zappas question, and you respond with a trite meme. Also, you believe in curses? Automatically you come across as less rational now.
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Bill_Oreilly said: who agrees?
there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.
and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.
you're an anchor baby, plus also your mom goes to college.
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As your signature says "I am a woman inside a man, inside a horse"
Should i hold you accountable to being less rational for your clear delusions.? Curses are an expression, and do not dictate rationale.
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336 said: Truth is Qman it's your generation's fault that America has fallen. My parents and their parents wasted all their money away, sold their businesses and assets, and got themselves up to their ears in debt. There are a few that didn't (my mother's father and my great uncle) other than that almost all the people I know that are my parents and grandparents age fucked themselves up with debt; then when you consider the business men of that age bracket you find that they were the ones that were REALLY responsible. They outsourced so much labor and played so many Wolf On Wallstreet/Enron-type games to make more money that it sunk our nation into what it is now.
China isn't responsible; illegal immigration isn't responsible; YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE!
YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US!
And now all you people do is bitch and moan about how it's all the Mexicans fault, it's all because of illegal immigration, it's all because of Obama.
Fucking hypocrites stringing up scapegoats to try and undermine your own responsibility for the current state of affairs.
IMHO of course
"They outsourced so much labor"
No, the US working class didn't outsource their own jobs, the corporations bought off the politicians and the rest was history. There was a real political debate on this "free trade" nonsense in 1994 when Ross Perot demanded it shouldn't happen, once that ended the American people just kind of stood by idle and watched everything close down.
"YOUR GENERATION IS RESPONSIBLE, YOUR PEOPLE FUCKED US"
Well, you are correct to a certain degree, but to be fair most Americans were and still are pretty clueless when it comes to economic trade and globalization. It's a complex economic issue with lots of negatives and a few benefits, the MSM wasn't going to spell it out for them.
Also, all developed economies also fell into this trap, Japan, UK, and all of the EU are in the same boat. The average working class peasant didn't really have a choice in this matter, so I don't know why much responsibility one should put on them.
"hypocrites stringing up scapegoats"
We know who pushed for globalization- the very rich!! We know who pushed for a open border- the very rich! I'm not blaming China or Mexico, but that doesn't mean that illegal immigrants aren't a huge negative for the US citizen. Again, that doesn't mean they're bad people, they just need to be deported.
The root cause of globalization is the consumer who wants to pay less.
No, because the consumer lost their overall standard of living as a result. Did you see the jobs report this morning? What good is cheap products when the consumer is broke?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/business/economy/jobs-report-hiring-unemployment-wages-fed-rates.html?_r=0
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FALSE The root cause of globalization is the producer who wants to pay less and make more.
336 you are just about correct. Zappa you are out of touch with reality.
Fact: The producer wants to make more money by paying less for labor. So they go to other countries where they can pay a worker less than half what an American worker would get paid. Or they hire illegal immigrants and pay them the absolute minimum, actually some companies get away with paying less than the minimum. If the cost of labor goes up the cost of goods will also go up because producers want to keep their profits. Everyone should agree with this, if you don't then man I feel bad for you.
Obviously consumers want to pay less but they do not set prices for goods and services, the corporations and the free-market does. Producers will jack up prices as high as long as they don't start losing money because they raised prices so much consumers can't afford it.
Americans don't want the jobs illegals have unless they get paid well. Farming jobs are hard and americans won't work unless they get paid 15-20 an hour. So prices will go up!
So what if the prices went up, that's counterbalanced by the fact that US workers are now taxpayers and we don't have to provide hundreds of billions to illegals and their children, it's really not that complicated.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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What if we legalized the illegals, so they can pay taxes, so then the benifits they dont deserve, would be contributed towards?
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price? 2)No I don't support slave labor in order to keep prices low. If u understood what I was saying you would know I want them to make more money. It sounds like you do support it though. Of course their work isn't exportable because its being consumed in the country duh!!! How is a restaurant worker going to export their services? wake the fuck up! 3) I don't support lower wages but again its the companies doing that. If it wasn't for the federal minimum wage law, all our bosses would be trying to pay us even lower wages. They don't care about you or me, they care about making their money. 4)Unemployment for "negroes" is about 20%, for young blacks its closer to 50%. Of course I want black people to get jobs but they wont be paid any different than illegals are for the same job. And they certainly don't want to be working the corn fields. 5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
When you reduce the amount of labor (by deporting the illegals) available wages move higher, US workers would get paid more for the same work, that's not going to make prices go much higher, just profit margins would go lower, so be it. Do you have any economic study that shows what happen 30-50 years ago in the US? This isn't anything new.
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TORCUTT said: What if we legalized the illegals, so they can pay taxes, so then the benifits they dont deserve, would be contributed towards?
Having more poor people that can't pay for what they consume in tax benefits isn't a solution. Do you know who benefits from illegals being in the US? The ultra rich, why do you want them to get even richer at the expense of US citizens?
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
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Why habent we upped the taxes on the wealthy? Thatd fix that spectrum youd brought up. Then the less fourtante, would be in a better scope.
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There's a big difference between mixing Europeans with Europeans, and mixing Europeans with Africans or Latinos.
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Watch this
and then tell us illegal immigrants are the big problem.
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TORCUTT said: Why habent we upped the taxes on the wealthy? Thatd fix that spectrum youd brought up. Then the less fourtante, would be in a better scope.
It's very difficult to increase taxes on the wealthy for a variety of reasons. Even if we did generate more tax revenue from taxing the wealthy, it should go towards US citizens, not illegals and their children.
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
I got no problem with that. Just like I got no problem telling the Japs Krauts and Limeys. I don't give a fuck. Name one nation on earth that isn't the result of some form of conquest. Will you please explain why your Apache brothers are still wallowing in poverty when they have access to everything that this country, built by Europeans, has to offer. Join us.
Israel. You've asked this before.
But they are a result of conquest. As is what came before them there. You know nothing..
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price?
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2)No I don't support slave labor in order to keep prices low. If u understood what I was saying you would know I want them to make more money. It sounds like you do support it though. Of course their work isn't exportable because its being consumed in the country duh!!! How is a restaurant worker going to export their services? wake the fuck up!
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3) I don't support lower wages but again its the companies doing that. If it wasn't for the federal minimum wage law, all our bosses would be trying to pay us even lower wages. They don't care about you or me, they care about making their money.
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4)Unemployment for "negroes" is about 20%, for young blacks its closer to 50%. Of course I want black people to get jobs but they wont be paid any different than illegals are for the same job. And they certainly don't want to be working the corn fields.
If the illegals go away the market will demand higher wages that will benefit the poor and unemployed AMERICANS. I do not give a fuck about the poor and unemployed Guatamalens and Poles. They are not my problem.Quote:
5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
Let me give you a bulletin. My entire career has been far more physically demanding than picking mushrooms. My point is the skill level required. A fucking monkey could be trained to do it.Quote:
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
Let the market, within the constraints of law, determine what the wage should be. We cannot afford to fuck our own people over by letting these cheats flood the market and depress wages while our own are standing on street corners.
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Children pay the price.
oh, the great conspiracy of the white man killing the white man so a black man will oppress the black man for the white man's dollar
this jackass should have done his research, 'coltan' is tantalum, it's in anything that has a tantalum capacitor, that means it's in every single thing with any electronics, if he further read up on this shit instead of watching the youtube videos he'd have learned that tantalum wasnt being exported to australia, it was one of the major mining products of australia for decades with australia producing 70% of the world's supply, now that has changed since 2011 when australia stopped mining it but guess what, both Brazil and Rwanda produce more 'coltan' than than the DRC, combined it's 300% more
now why would this nice preacher man think that turning off a cell phone would do anything to affect the DRC? why would he lie and mislead us in such a way to think that a consumer electronic that uses less tantalum than any other consumer electronic on the market is going to have any effect on the poor little exploited children of the Congo
that computer you are currently using, there are no fewer than 40 tantalum capacitors in it strictly for noise control, that's in addition to the other IC and shit that require it, so if you want to make a difference, smash your computer, destroy the computers in the stores, make your stand by blowing up the producers or drive your ass to the congo and shut those mines down after you overthrow the government
the problem isnt the white man, the problem is the DRC government, this conspiracy theory doesnt work because the actual facts dont support it, stop youtubing your information from lying christians that want to manipulate you into believing some bullshit they gleaned from youtube and in the mean time, maybe we need to catch Joeseph Kony by spreading KONY2012 posters everywhere and donating millions to a guy that's pocketing the cash, getting drunk and masturbating in the streets to some piece of fiction he concocted about this tool being the most dangerous man alive.
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