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zappaisgod
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Answer the question.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#22320500 - 10/01/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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zappaisgod said: Do either of you two understand competition and pricing? What do you think the profit margins for most businesses are? For instance the health insurance industry? http://www.markfarrah.com/healthcare-business-strategy/Profit-Margins-Converge-for-Top-Health-Plans.aspx
If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?
I think the one not understanding is you. Of course no one would pay $2000 for an Iphone, a consumer in their right mind would most likely go choose a substitute like an android for far cheaper. But we're talking about illegal immigration and agriculture here. You want me to explain competition and prices... Ok try following me here. I work in the commercial mushroom industry. I've been to over 100 farms and have only seen maybe a couple whites, and no one from any other race, everyone else is latino and maybe 98% of them are illegals. These people get paid the federal minimum which is $7.25 and trust me harvesting mushrooms and caring for them is not as easy as it sounds. In my opinion these people should be paid atleast 15-20 per hour easy, its hard ass work man! And it's sad because I make almost 5x what they make and I'm sitting on my ass all day and I love my job, these people don't like picking shrooms but they do because the have mouths to feed and they have no other opportunities.
Let's say hypothetically Trump get's elected and gets rid of all the illegals. In order for agricultural companies to give americans an incentive to work they'll have to raise wages by at least 2x. As a result the prices for these agricultural goods will also go up. Now lets not forget that we also receive foods from other countries which are competitors especially because the sell food at a cheaper price. So If the prices of American grown vegetables goes up because wages also went up since producers want to keep their current profit margin. Who do you think American consumers will buy vegetables from? The American grown crop that just inflated their prices or the international competitor that sells for far cheaper? How would this affect the american agricultural business? Just think about that for a bit.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Answer the question.
I went to dinner and just answered back!
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zappaisgod
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basqueshaman said: I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
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I also dont want to sound like i'm totally for immigration because I'm really not. We do have a bit of an immigration problem, I can admit that but it's not for the reason most of you people think about. And telling all these people to get their bags ready and GTFO is not the way to do it. Building a wall also isn't feasible especially when it's gonna cost billions of dollars. Fuckin stupid republican hypocrites cry about how much the government is spending but yet they want a multi-billion dollar wall. Why not spend these billions of dollars on our shitty education system that is an embarrassment among 1st world countries.
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It's also pretty ridiculous to argue that a foreign people with no prior knowledge of Europeans should be expected to provide documentation upon arrival of the white man to prove their claim to the fucking continent... I mean what's done is done, but that's ridiculous
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basqueshaman
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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basqueshaman said: I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
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zappaisgod
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zappaisgod said: Do either of you two understand competition and pricing? What do you think the profit margins for most businesses are? For instance the health insurance industry? http://www.markfarrah.com/healthcare-business-strategy/Profit-Margins-Converge-for-Top-Health-Plans.aspx
If an iPhone cost $2000 would you buy it?
I think the one not understanding is you. Of course no one would pay $2000 for an Iphone, a consumer in their right mind would most likely go choose a substitute like an android for far cheaper. But we're talking about illegal immigration and agriculture here. You want me to explain competition and prices... Ok try following me here. I work in the commercial mushroom industry. I've been to over 100 farms and have only seen maybe a couple whites, and no one from any other race, everyone else is latino and maybe 98% of them are illegals. These people get paid the federal minimum which is $7.25 and trust me harvesting mushrooms and caring for them is not as easy as it sounds. In my opinion these people should be paid atleast 15-20 per hour easy, its hard ass work man! And it's sad because I make almost 5x what they make and I'm sitting on my ass all day and I love my job, these people don't like picking shrooms but they do because the have mouths to feed and they have no other opportunities.
Let's say hypothetically Trump get's elected and gets rid of all the illegals. In order for agricultural companies to give americans an incentive to work they'll have to raise wages by at least 2x. As a result the prices for these agricultural goods will also go up. Now lets not forget that we also receive foods from other countries which are competitors especially because the sell food at a cheaper price. So If the prices of American grown vegetables goes up because wages also went up since producers want to keep their current profit margin. Who do you think American consumers will buy vegetables from? The American grown crop that just inflated their prices or the international competitor that sells for far cheaper? How would this affect the american agricultural business? Just think about that for a bit.
Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
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basqueshaman said: I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
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336, I've just read through this entire thread and you should honestly be embarrassed about how little you know about the world if you're over 12 years old. It's a little pathetic, man. You have all of the information in the world at your fingertips, educate yourself. Virtually 100% of what you've said about illegal immigration is patently false.
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#22320653 - 10/01/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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basqueshaman said: I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
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Webster10
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Webster10 said: 336, I've just read through this entire thread and you should honestly be embarrassed about how little you know about the world if you're over 12 years old. It's a little pathetic, man. You have all of the information in the world at your fingertips, educate yourself. Virtually 100% of what you've said about illegal immigration is patently false.
Care to explain?
I would but it's getting pretty late and you've already proven yourself incapable of intellectually debating.
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zappaisgod
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
I got no problem with that. Just like I got no problem telling the Japs Krauts and Limeys. I don't give a fuck. Name one nation on earth that isn't the result of some form of conquest. Will you please explain why your Apache brothers are still wallowing in poverty when they have access to everything that this country, built by Europeans, has to offer. Join us.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#22320688 - 10/01/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish I could see you say that to the Apache brothers of mine
I got no problem with that. Just like I got no problem telling the Japs Krauts and Limeys. I don't give a fuck. Name one nation on earth that isn't the result of some form of conquest. Will you please explain why your Apache brothers are still wallowing in poverty when they have access to everything that this country, built by Europeans, has to offer. Join us.
Israel. You've asked this before.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#22320722 - 10/01/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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basqueshaman said: I say why don't you go to a rez and ask what they think about illegal immigration. please there's so many factors to this cluster fuck of a topic
Oh puhleeze this stupid shit again? Did they have laws against immigration?
No and for the record native laws were understood not written and all laws understood by palefaces are written. if you want to bring that up, I want to know if they did do you think it would have made a difference? Did the law against murder stop the killing of women and children of native Americans?
Did it stop the "Native Americans" from killing the Europeans? Fuck them. They lost. Every nation in the world is built from conquest.
If you want to know, most tribes were the ALLIES of these european countries due to trade. Many of them did fight europeans, alongside other europeans.
But once the US became a country, quite a few tribes were close allies with the US. My tribe(for example) were allies with the US since they became a country. We(and every south eastern tribe) were fucked by Andrew Jackson and forced along the trail of tears. My tribe fought against many tribes in the war of 1812, for the US. Even declining Tecumseh's plan to protect the lands.
Then as the US randomly claimed the rest of the continent, they forced, raped, and murdered whole tribes to take the land. There was no big war, it was genocide.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yes. The cost of agricultural goods will go probably go up a bit. So what? Do you support the concept of slave labor in order to keep the cost of goods down? Most of the work the illegals do is not exportable. Restaurant work and construction. You can't outsource them and kicking the illegals out and refusing to pay welfare to healthy bums will be a total net win. Illegal immigrants depress wages across the board. Do you like that? In the sixties and seventies I lived in or near agricultural communities both in NY and KY. There were no illegals working the farms. There were a lot of Negroes, though. Tell me again what the unemployment rate is for male Negroes.
The illegals are a pestilence.
Now in response to your assessment of the wage that they should be paid I would posit that it might actually reach that should we kick the cheaters out. Although I doubt I would agree that you should be setting the wage for basically retard work. Picking mushroom? 5 yearolds can do that. I would prefer to put our indiginous retards to work rather than pay other countries retards to displace them. Hell even the illegal construction guys here get paid what is roughly the equivalent of 20 an hour gross.
Wow, just fucking wow I am embarrassed for you sir. Ill take the time to answer each of your questions. 1)Do you really think the price increase is going to be minimal? what if milk went from $5 to $10, and you have a single mother making the minimum. How is she going to decide if she wants to buy milk for her kids because of the price? 2)No I don't support slave labor in order to keep prices low. If u understood what I was saying you would know I want them to make more money. It sounds like you do support it though. Of course their work isn't exportable because its being consumed in the country duh!!! How is a restaurant worker going to export their services? wake the fuck up! 3) I don't support lower wages but again its the companies doing that. If it wasn't for the federal minimum wage law, all our bosses would be trying to pay us even lower wages. They don't care about you or me, they care about making their money. 4)Unemployment for "negroes" is about 20%, for young blacks its closer to 50%. Of course I want black people to get jobs but they wont be paid any different than illegals are for the same job. And they certainly don't want to be working the corn fields. 5)Yeah a five year old can pick mushrooms, but time is money and a 5 year old would work slow ass hell. How bout you go pick some mushrooms and see how you like it. Its so easy for you to say sitting in front of the computer. On an average day a single room in a farm can yield more tha 1000 pounds with only 5 people working. It takes atleast 7-8 hpurs if they work fast. If they don't get the work done they have to stay and finish.
What I don't understand is that you asked me if I'm in favor of slave labor to keep prices low. Which is weird because by the question it sounds like your not in favor of this but then you say get the illegals out and have our native retards do it instead. Great lets substitute the illegals with blacks and still have them do slave labor. Ohh but 5 year olds can do that slave labor too it's easy slave labor! STFU if anyone is a native retard its probably you. Go pick up hoe and start working the fields ya ass.
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Haha, I was going to make the point that instead of clearly articulating what your opinion is, you persistently post meaningless memes. I just don't have time to debate with someone with that low of standards for "intelligent discussion."
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Webster10] 1
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Webster10 said: Haha, I was going to make the point that instead of clearly articulating what your opinion is, you persistently post meaningless memes. I just don't have time to debate with someone with that low of standards for "intelligent discussion."
Hahaha this is hilarious! You pretty much told him he has the intelligence of a 12yo because of his position and that he is ignorant. He asks you to explain and give your position. You talk shit than ran like a pussy. 336 calls you out on it. And now ur like ur position is stupid because ur posting stupid memes and not articulating. Umm did you actually read what he's being saying? His position is pretty clear it just appears you have the reading comprehension of a 1st grader. I'm in no way defending 336, well maybe a bit. But I just had to call you out too.
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Webster10 said: Haha, I was going to make the point that instead of clearly articulating what your opinion is, you persistently post meaningless memes. I just don't have time to debate with someone with that low of standards for "intelligent discussion."
Bro this is like the first time I've even seen you. You must not have read many of my posts otherwise you would find that I often quote sources and statistics. I just get tired of arguing with Zap and Qman etc because every statistic and historical reference I give they simply ignore because "MURCA #1" (keep in my i'm joining the military, i don't hate America)
Check out some of the other illegal immigration threads and you'll see. Shit just look on page 6, I give a clear answer to Zap's question to which he never replied btw.
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Webster10 said: Haha, I was going to make the point that instead of clearly articulating what your opinion is, you persistently post meaningless memes. I just don't have time to debate with someone with that low of standards for "intelligent discussion."
Bro this is like the first time I've even seen you. You must not have read many of my posts otherwise you would find that I often quote sources and statistics. I just get tired of arguing with Zap and Qman etc because every statistic and historical reference I give they simply ignore because "MURCA #1" (keep in my i'm joining the military, i don't hate America)
Check out some of the other illegal immigration threads and you'll see. Shit just look on page 6, I give a clear answer to Zap's question to which he never replied btw.
Bro we can't win when stupidity outnumbers us.
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