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Offlineqman
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22318651 - 10/01/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Giftofdeprivation said:
I think it's about the broader picture of globalization. Our societies are no longer localized and to cling to that is backwards.

Unless we start killing trespassers again, like the primal era, we should probably learn to support and promote co-existence. Why do you have any more of a right to these resources than a young, struggling immigrant. YOU certainly didn't earn this.

What's funny is that there's all sorts of incentive for the Chinese to send their kids and money over here, but Mexicans? We oughta build a big wall for those fuckers :rolleyes:




What the fuck are you talking about?  They broke the law and entered the US illegally, when we deport them and build a wall, US citizens won't have to worry about "co-existence".

"YOU certainly didn't earn this"

Enough of this hippy bullshit, my relatives helped build this nation, we aren't giving it away to a bunch of illegals, let them fix their own homeland.

If so you're so concerned with the struggling illegal immigrant, you pay for them, don't force it on others.


Edited by qman (10/01/15 11:22 AM)


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
    #22318661 - 10/01/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Meh our taxes go right to the military anyway.
Everything else is false money. How many times have the banks bailed out the federal government?  Too many.
1 hellfire drone missle. 80,000 bucks. And we bomb ALOT.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318662 - 10/01/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.




Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!

What made the US great in the past?  Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential.  To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.



I already combated that arguement. We give all the mass employed jobs to other countries for lower wages, because we dont wanna spend the extra dough paying american citizens. Capitalist economy.

In Germany quality college is free.
Meanwhile, college in America leaves you in debt for years.

Theres answers for the problems. We just keep them problems and point fingers at scapegoats.





:huxleyfacepalm:

The outsourcing of US jobs DOES NOT justify illegal immigration into the US, that makes no sense.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318666 - 10/01/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
who agrees?

there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.

and don't tell me that BS like "they do the jobs americans don't want to do" that's nonsense.




Where else will you get your heroin from if you don't get it from the Mexicans all crossing the border illegally?

You do realize that's where most of the heroin coming into the US is coming from, right?



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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
    #22318669 - 10/01/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not to mention the near 1 trillion dollar jet we just made.

And you're so right.
But it sure creates more tension for the legal citizen.
Instead of demanding our job back, we point fingers at brown people.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Uzziel]
    #22318671 - 10/01/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318674 - 10/01/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey Pat, you're from Canada/living in Canada right?
Why the fuck are you even talking about this issue?
Far as I'm concerned it's none of your maple eaten business eh.

In reality the only people really affected by illegal immigration is primarily poor/young people in California, New Mexico, Texas, and a few other agricultural states.

Everyone else should just stfu imo

but w/e lol; you guys can repeat what Fox News and Bill O'reilly told you to say until you go blue in the face.
Truth is not a damn thing is going to change. Mexicans will get in as long as they have a reason to.

And it doesn't matter what kind of wall is constructed.
It only takes a single crack for the damn to break. No to mention you know... tunnels... which they already have... lol






Maybe one day we'll have a better argument than you guys watch Faux News, pathetic.

You clearly don't understand the economic implications of illegals flooding the US labor market, don't you have a military to join since you can't find a job?


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318687 - 10/01/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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TORCUTT said:
Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.




What you don't understand is they go through the Mexicans. Most of it is smuggled through the south where it is much much easier to get through. The Taliban does not just waltz into the US on a boat or through Canada to smuggle in. They go through mexico.

And as of current, the majority of heroin in the US <IS> coming from Mexican cartels


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318700 - 10/01/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's pretty interesting how you think 30million+ illegals do nothing to disrupt the economic flow of the US. They have driven down the price of many labor-intensive jobs that should be paying WAY more.

It affects way more than just the south. 10% of the population in the US isn't even accounted for because of illegals being off the books.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318731 - 10/01/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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336 said:
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qman said:
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336 said:
Hey Pat, you're from Canada/living in Canada right?
Why the fuck are you even talking about this issue?
Far as I'm concerned it's none of your maple eaten business eh.

In reality the only people really affected by illegal immigration is primarily poor/young people in California, New Mexico, Texas, and a few other agricultural states.

Everyone else should just stfu imo

but w/e lol; you guys can repeat what Fox News and Bill O'reilly told you to say until you go blue in the face.
Truth is not a damn thing is going to change. Mexicans will get in as long as they have a reason to.

And it doesn't matter what kind of wall is constructed.
It only takes a single crack for the damn to break. No to mention you know... tunnels... which they already have... lol






Maybe one day we'll have a better argument than you guys watch Faux News, pathetic.

You clearly don't understand the economic implications of illegals flooding the US labor market, don't you have a military to join since you can't find a job?



Oh i've argued extensively on this point with you guys, especially you and Zap in some of the older topics.

Now I'm just amused at how you guys simply repeat and repeat and repeat yourselves over and over again as if it changes anything. And I say Fox News/Bill O'Reilly because essentially everything you guys have to say on this issue is verbatim what Fox News says. It's like you guys are little Bill O'Reilly parrots.




I rarely watched O'Reilly, but when I did I wasn't impressed, he lacks a basic understanding of economics. :lol:

O'Reilly doesn't really go into details on the real reasons for the open border, he blames it on Obama or liberalism, yet the truth is the very rich insist that it stays open, maybe he can't even say that on TV.

I never heard Bill talk about an "excess pool of labor", again most of his rhetoric is blaming some liberal. The liberal has no clue why the border remains open, they don't understand the economics behind the policy.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318757 - 10/01/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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TORCUTT said:
Not to mention the near 1 trillion dollar jet we just made.

And you're so right.
But it sure creates more tension for the legal citizen.
Instead of demanding our job back, we point fingers at brown people.




Trump is blaming both, outsourcing to foreign nations and illegal immigration, if we fix both issues the US thrives like it once did, you're probably too young to remember the old America, people lived well.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Uzziel]
    #22318764 - 10/01/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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TORCUTT said:
Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.




What you don't understand is they go through the Mexicans. Most of it is smuggled through the south where it is much much easier to get through. The Taliban does not just waltz into the US on a boat or through Canada to smuggle in. They go through mexico.

And as of current, the majority of heroin in the US <IS> coming from Mexican cartels



You're right. They dont waltz in. We bring it in. The military soilders trade guns and other equipment for kilos to bring home.
I just talked to a vet abiut how he and his squad would rip off extra supplies to trade for heroin, then ended up fighting fools thay have their tech.

Herion production in Afghanistan is at the highest its ever been in history since weve occupied the region.
Not to mention their mountins are FILLED with lithium we sell to asia for their hybrid car batterys.
We arent their for democracy.  We are there for supply and demand.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318771 - 10/01/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318792 - 10/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never said production wasn't done in middle east. I said it comes from the Mexican cartels into the US...and it does.

I think I read somewhere like more than 70-80%+ of all opium is grown in the ME.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318842 - 10/01/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you're probably too young to remember the old America, people lived well.








I know many of the young people on this site don't have the experiences to know the difference between today and 30-40 years ago, but it was a different economic reality.

On my fathers side he had 24 first cousins, they all ended up becoming multi-millionaires except for one, and they weren't all geniuses by any means. They worked hard and saved their money. 

My grandparents who both had less than an 8th grade education made the equivalent of over 100k per year today, they didn't compete with people from China or illegals from south of the border.

You really don't understand what you're talking about, this has NOTHING to do with race or ethnicity, it has to do with economics, something you're not very familiar with at this point.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318876 - 10/01/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ever think the baby boomers generation was overly racist filled with black segregation and shit? Brainwashed from then until forever.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318894 - 10/01/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Typical.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318910 - 10/01/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22318926 - 10/01/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
there are no positives to letting foreigners enter the US.





bullshit

this sounds like xenophobia, not anti-illegal immigration

I oppose illegals but I do not oppose immigration




Seconded, immigration and assimilation made this country great. Illegal immigration will undo it.

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Our herion comes from the black market taliban. And Vietnamese. Also india.




The lions share of heroin comes from Mexico, same for methamphetamine. This is the result of marijuana legalization.

Cartels are losing the mj revenue to American growers, to compensate they have doubled down on crystal, coke and heroin. They also have keen business acumen, being able to capitalize on the rampant opioid prescription abuse.

Another favorite market is human trafficking, be it illegal migrant workers, sex slavery or OTM (other than mexican/central American/south American).

OTMs could be anything from Chinese to middle eastern.


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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22318930 - 10/01/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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336 said:
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qman said:
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336 said:
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qman said:
you're probably too young to remember the old America, people lived well.








I know many of the young people on this site don't have the experiences to know the difference between today and 30-40 years ago, but it was a different economic reality.

On my fathers side he had 24 first cousins, they all ended up becoming multi-millionaires except for one, and they weren't all geniuses by any means. They worked hard and saved their money. 

My grandparents who both had less than an 8th grade education made the equivalent of over 100k per year today, they didn't compete with people from China or illegals from south of the border.

You really don't understand what you're talking about, this has NOTHING to do with race or ethnicity, it has to do with economics, something you're not very familiar with at this point.



Aww so all this complaining about illegal immigration is for us, the youth?
I would have never guessed you guys all cared so much about us.

And I thought it was all about blaming someone else about personal shortfalls and or general racism and conservative parroting. Boy was I wrong.

How sweet of you.





"is for us, the youth?"

Most of you have been fooled by PC propoganda thinking that you're informed, it's scary when you let others think for yourself.  Maybe you don't care about your standard of living, but I bet most young people do.

"cared so much about us"

I have two nieces around your age, I worry about how naïve they are on the current state of affairs.

"How sweet of you"

Well, it's nice to appreciated. Constantly trying to inform the uninformed gets tiresome.


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