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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
No, they don't. How can you collect social security if you have no documentation.
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22318110 - 10/01/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics.
you clearly dont know much, sure, the vast majority of illegals wont be working as engineers or doctors or the CEO of huge corporations but guess what, neither will the majority of citizens in the US
illegals will be doing jobs such as lawn care/landscaping, they will be working in the restaurants, even in the position of being a chef, maybe not a TV chef like you're probably most familiar with but they do hold those positions, they'll also hold positions in cleaning services and as mechanics, they work in construction and many other trades
maybe you're unfamiliar with the education of the people in the US, there are plenty of people that lack the education to be doctors, layers and engineers, many that dont have a highschool diploma or a GED and even with them that's often not enough to do anything more than work in fast food or other restaurants or to work as a landscaper or a mechanic if they manage to get funding to attend the local trade school
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
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TORCUTT said: Bleh its about moralitys, not sovereignty. We fought for this country more than 250 years ago, so no one really knows the suffering.
We stole it from the natives. We defyed their sovereignty. So its all irrelevant. Not one man can own a peice of earth. For they will die. Along with all other men. But the land shall continue to exist. The longer we stay seperated, the longer our goals wont be met.
Im sure we could figure out a way to outsource to mexico at a better rate than china. After all, they arent 6000 miles away. Just south. A truck drive. We choose not to support them. To make a mess. To fix the mess.
We make messes. All around the globe.
you have no clue what kind of ignorance you're spewing, being an idealist must be nice
all 3 of the big automakers have shut many of their US plants and moved them to mexico, many of the clothing manufacturers have done the same, a textile mill that's local to me used to take locally grown cotton and produce denim for Levi Strauss, yes, the large jeans manufacturer based in San Francisco, it seems that all there is on SF now is a company headquarters, the jeans are now "Hecho en Mexico" and the cotton grown here isnt being shipped to mexico to be used in denim but they are making the denim there and the mill is closed, now keep in mind that this is after Levi's was busted for slapping Made in the USA labels on their Malaysian made clothing that was produced in slavery like sweat shops by chinese workers, and none of that has actually changed and thankfully clothing can still be made in countries like Saipan and Guam and any other US protectorate or territory in the sweat shop conditions with wages well under the US minimum wage and still keep the made in the USA label because they're a 'part of the united states'
so guess what, we do exports our jobs to mexico... and asia, and the middle east and to south america and europe and anywhere else that our government believes will be equitable for large companies to move production too when they establish these free trade agreements
BTW. just because smeone has died, it doesnt mean the land they owned reverts to the government or the chinese or something, it typically goes to their family who become the new owners, the same thing happens with money and vehicles and pretty much everything else they owned, so yeah... there is in fact land ownership since the heirs do not re purchase the property after someone's death
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TORCUTT said: Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics.
you clearly dont know much, sure, the vast majority of illegals wont be working as engineers or doctors or the CEO of huge corporations but guess what, neither will the majority of citizens in the US
illegals will be doing jobs such as lawn care/landscaping, they will be working in the restaurants, even in the position of being a chef, maybe not a TV chef like you're probably most familiar with but they do hold those positions, they'll also hold positions in cleaning services and as mechanics, they work in construction and many other trades
maybe you're unfamiliar with the education of the people in the US, there are plenty of people that lack the education to be doctors, layers and engineers, many that dont have a highschool diploma or a GED and even with them that's often not enough to do anything more than work in fast food or other restaurants or to work as a landscaper or a mechanic if they manage to get funding to attend the local trade school
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
and that has nothing at all to do with what I have said
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: koods]
#22318160 - 10/01/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
No, they don't. How can you collect social security if you have no documentation.
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Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
There is no hoodwinking going on with me. I am very often the only native English speaker on the job and most of the non-English speakers are illegal. They are also not just Hispanic. A lot of them are Slavic. How do I know whether they are legal or not? I ask them and they are usually honest. And yes, they are taking jobs from Americans. If a contractor can drive by a train station or Home Depot and pick somebody up for a day or two no documentation is required as long as he gets a different guy every day. That allows him to not put somebody on payroll. I see it every day.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22318168 - 10/01/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
wanna show us where anyone has a 'right' to a job?
you seem to believe that having no social security number making someone ineligible to work in some way prevents them from working, if that were the case then how would they manage to get money to support themselves and their families?
I personally know more than a few who run a pretty good pot OP back in cali. Also they work for mom and pop shops. I promise you wont see any working at costco, or walmart, or anything corporate. Ever.
and that has nothing at all to do with what I have said
Sure it does.
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TORCUTT said: The job crisis has long been a problem for well, along. Maybe if we would stop out sourceing, there would be more jobs. Hell, we even have automotive plants not in America any more.
Hispanics arent able to take enough jobs. Plenty arent eligible for hire. No SS Number, go high school Diploma or ged.. so.. it kinda limits the jobs they can get. The avarage bachelors degree citizen have a hard time finding a job.
Mexicans cant even come close to taking those jobs. So... instead of complaining about "stealing" our jobs. Lets figure out why, there arent any fucking jobs to begin with. Where are the career options? Go to school for 4 years, just to be unemployed..
Illegalls arent rocket engineers, or high class chefs, or automobile mechanics. And if they arent illegal, then they have every right to be employed.
It's called creating an excess pool of labor, it's really irrelevant what type of job they take, their very presence depresses wages for all US workers. Guess who suffers the most in the labor market? The disadvantaged, mainly black and Hispanic US citizens!
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
#22318411 - 10/01/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equivalent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do. They just walk in and steal the money Americans have worked for shamelessly.
I am completely against it.
"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
#22318442 - 10/01/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inflation is the biggist factor of depressed wages. And bitchy americans.
Give the burger flippers 15 bucks an hour damnit. Im tired of seeing that protest. Federal Reserve prints more money everyday than Hasbro prints monopoly money.. Umm.. whats backing the value of that paper? Sure aint Fort Knox. We lease all that to other countries.
Excess pool of labor. Thats why most of them are unemployed and waiting by the home depot to work for whoever comes and talks to them. They cant get any national job. Hello. They are local to the area. Workers. Which is typically fine cause either A) we want a career [so we dont need to worry about illegal competition] B) Sit on our fatasses and live off mommy and daddys money. C) Be homeless.
They really dont threatn your workpool unless you want to be an orchard laborer. Its not like if there are too many in the orchard, you cant work at the grocery store..
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
#22318448 - 10/01/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.
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TORCUTT said: Inflation is the biggist factor of depressed wages. And bitchy americans.
Give the burger flippers 15 bucks an hour damnit. Im tired of seeing that protest. Federal Reserve prints more money everyday than Hasbro prints monopoly money.. Umm.. whats backing the value of that paper? Sure aint Fort Knox. We lease all that to other countries.
Excess pool of labor. Thats why most of them are unemployed and waiting by the home depot to work for whoever comes and talks to them. They cant get any national job. Hello. They are local to the area. Workers. Which is typically fine cause either A) we want a career [so we dont need to worry about illegal competition] B) Sit on our fatasses and live off mommy and daddys money. C) Be homeless.
They really dont threatn your workpool unless you want to be an orchard laborer. Its not like if there are too many in the orchard, you cant work at the grocery store..
"Inflation is biggest factor of depressed wages"
No, it's globalization and the flood of cheap labor entering the US, you do realize the wages can move up with inflation under the proper conditions?
When illegals take the low skilled jobs, they force workers into a more skilled position which ultimately floods that market and depresses the wage, it's called a domino effect. Again, you're focusing on the specific job that the illegal works, it doesn't matter, it effects everyone.
This is a economic issue, if you don't have a clear understanding of economics this situation can be very confusing. I have heard the argument you're trying to make a thousand times, whoever sold this line of reasoning is misinformed.
Do you know why we have a open border? The people at the top aren't concerned about Julio and his family, they want an excess pool of labor to maximize profits in ALL industries.
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TORCUTT said: If politics were smart, we would out source the jobs that are in China, to Mexico, and give them the damn jobs. That way so many wouldnt have to cross the border. But America and its people no longer operate on logic. We like beimg complex.
You really don't know what the heck you're talking about, stop embarrassing yourself.

You clearly don't have economic study.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
#22318536 - 10/01/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: koods]
#22318575 - 10/01/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
Well, that's constantly what I hear people on here say.
Remember, I'm not in the states therefore I only know the general things. Everyday life, I have no idea
Take a look at this comment by qman
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"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
Now do you understand why I think they get social security?
Let's say an illegal walks in a hospital. Does he get turned down? Can they not send their kids to school? Enlighten me
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Anyone can get turned away from a hospital if they dont have insurance. And if the kid aint illegal, it aint illegal. Not like the unborn child made the choice to jump the border.
They'll have a hard enough time anyway.
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TORCUTT said: Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.
Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!
What made the US great in the past? Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential. To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.
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I think it's about the broader picture of globalization. Our societies are no longer localized and to cling to that is backwards.
Unless we start killing trespassers again, like the primal era, we should probably learn to support and promote co-existence. Why do you have any more of a right to these resources than a young, struggling immigrant. YOU certainly didn't earn this.
What's funny is that there's all sorts of incentive for the Chinese to send their kids and money over here, but Mexicans? We oughta build a big wall for those fuckers
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: Patlal]
#22318625 - 10/01/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Illegals immigrant break the law of your country the minute they step in. That's a lack of respect to your sovereignty. You fought to get your country and now it's being slowly taken over by people who think they are too good for the country they live in so they give themselves permission to just walk in as if it was permitted. Unacceptable
Plus once they are in, they become the equidavlent of modern day slaves. They get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life within the US. I don't know how they manage to get social security, but apparently they do..
Man Patlal, im really surprised how easily you are hoodwinked by right wing propaganda.
Well, that's constantly what I hear people on here say.
Remember, I'm not in the states therefore I only know the general things. Everyday life, I have no idea
Take a look at this comment by qman
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"they become the equivalent of modern day slaves"
That get free health care, education, food stamps, disability, welfare, and public housing.
" get abused and paid wages that cannot sustain life in the US"
Yet, with all the freebies they survive just fine, better than millions of US citizens.
Now do you understand why I think they get social security?
Let's say an illegal walks in a hospital. Does he get turned down? Can they not send their kids to school? Enlighten me
Health care and education is available for all illegals. The social services kick in as soon as they give birth to a anchor baby, they know the game and abuse the fuck out of it. The idea that an illegal can give birth to a US citizen is ridiculous, Trump is going to eliminate this anchor baby policy nonsense.
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Re: Stop Illegal Immigration!!! [Re: qman]
#22318630 - 10/01/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Sounds like people need to smarten up and take some more skilled jobs. Let em have them low skill jobs. Fuck it.
Not everyone in the US has the luxury of obtaining a skill or a education, there aren't enough of those jobs even available!!
What made the US great in the past? Low skilled jobs that paid a livable wage, flooding the labor market with a bunch of illegals kills that potential. To be fair globalization is also responsible, both of them hurt the US standard of living.
I already combated that arguement. We give all the mass employed jobs to other countries for lower wages, because we dont wanna spend the extra dough paying american citizens. Capitalist economy.
In Germany quality college is free. Meanwhile, college in America leaves you in debt for years.
Theres answers for the problems. We just keep them problems and point fingers at scapegoats.
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