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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22865751 - 02/04/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

You should be good andtuf. Glad to see people jumping in to advanced techniques so early :smile:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22866022 - 02/04/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I forgot to mention that I'm going to leave the tub uncased.
I'm still not sure on this one, but I think I understood that casing is a great think if you do it the right way, but a disaster if you make some mistake. This is the reason why most likely I'll not case this time, cause I'm afraid of doing something wrong.





I don't agree with the general idea casing can be a "disaster".

I always, at very least, case with vermiculite (although I like Ryche Hawk's peat based casing formula and 50/50 verm/coir).
Casing with verm adds a huge humidity boost to the surface and is a reservoir for water that feeds the fruits, via spraying.
You can't really go wrong with casing with a 1/4 inch of verm. And it takes 5 minutes to do.

The verm coating on PF cakes is a type of casing, and is never considered risky.

Brave of you to go cow poo on your first grow!  good luck




Yeah I know and that's the reason why I'm still undecided. I did the monotub and now I'm in time to add the casing layer.
Lets see some other advice...
In any case, do you think gypsum is needed or even useful to coir/verm?

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You should be good andtuf. Glad to see people jumping in to advanced techniques so early :smile:



:thumbup: thanks md! I like to always study well before doing something so important and after so many amazing monotub pics I really had to try this.

Eat, your tubs are always inspiring!


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: SHJ]
    #22866032 - 02/04/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

if you're new to casing go with coir and verm...if you have gypsum use that shit up.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866059 - 02/04/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I started casing roughly following blindingleaf's guide, and i love it. Like jiffy mix used to be.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22866063 - 02/04/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

great guide indeed! we still get good jiffy here:hehehe:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866106 - 02/05/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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if you're new to casing go with coir and verm...if you have gypsum use that shit up.



i never understood casing with coir.

it's used as a sub cause it's nutritious.  isn't a casing layer supposed to be a non-nutritious layer that just provides a moist micro-climate for pinning?

it just colonizes a top layer of coir and it's like adding a tiny bit of water and extra sub to your tub/fruiting area.


it works cause you don't need to case coir with cubes at all, but maybe im missing something here.

how is it different than just adding a top layer of sub?


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866111 - 02/05/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i don't let mine colonize...it's not so much that it needs to be non nutritious, just that nutrtition isn't the goal, coir was a casing material long before a bulk sub.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866132 - 02/05/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

interesting.  even when I've thrown mine straight into fruiting, it continued to colonize the coir and delay the focus on pinning.

i might get a few pins before full colonization but it never seemed like it really went for it til it was colonized.

with that said I haven't cased with coir in many years so maybe im having a case of selective memory.

never knew people used it for casing before sub though. thanks for that


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866138 - 02/05/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i see a few folks with issues with coir....mine can sit on my exotics for months and not colonize the slightest bit.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866150 - 02/05/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

ah. only tried it with cubes.

maybe ill try it on some pans im about to spawn :strokebeard:

they definitely didn't like it as a bulk sub :lol:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866153 - 02/05/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

i blast my subs with light for a day or two then case and fruit right away, even with cubes i get little to no colonization.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866156 - 02/05/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866161 - 02/05/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think of coir as a casing to a different sub, like poo or straw (because the coir is less nutritious). And if the sub is coir, then it's a top layer


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866167 - 02/05/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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i blast my subs with light for a day or two then case and fruit right away, even with cubes i get little to no colonization.



I've still yet to buy a light for the room and just keep them near the window.
i need to get on that.

I knew it had an effect on cap size and fruit development but i guess i never connected it to pinning and colonization


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866221 - 02/05/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting... I'm now pasteurizing some 50/50 casing material. Wondering if I should use an artificial light or just go with the window.

Anyway, what do you think about fans? I know they are not essential, but it seems to boost pins formation. Is that right? I have another lid that I could hack with a computer fan on the top during these days, and mount it on the tub when pinning. Do you think is it worth the work to do it? What's about the light instead?


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22866223 - 02/05/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Coir may be more nutritious than verm but it still not as nutritious as hpoo or straw. It is used as a casing because technically,  you can use it as a casing without heat treatment. Reason being, is that It does not support the germination of mold spores. CVG casing ftw.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: SHJ]
    #22866235 - 02/05/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Interesting... I'm now pasteurizing some 50/50 casing material. Wondering if I should use an artificial light or just go with the window.

Anyway, what do you think about fans? I know they are not essential, but it seems to boost pins formation. Is that right? I have another lid that I could hack with a computer fan on the top during these days, and mount it on the tub when pinning. Do you think is it worth the work to do it? What's about the light instead?



ideally get a light and a fan.

I've been using a fan and no light but keeping it near a bright window. personally I think fae is more impacting than a light vs bright window but I'd be interested in what a TC has to say


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: insanemike]
    #22866239 - 02/05/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

far more to a bulk sub then nutrition available:wink:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: cronicr]
    #22866258 - 02/05/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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far more to a bulk sub then nutrition available;)




Indeed. Been learning recently, that IME, the more nutritious the sub, the longer it takes to pin. I have cut my spawn ratio down and have been adding cvg to my straw pellets. The results so far have cut my time to pin down by 7-10 days. I think maybe that the denser the colony, the more restricted the transportation of water is. I've made some very nutrionally dense subs in the past, using supplements, that took almost a month to pin after full colonization. I've also used cvg with a 1:3 spawn to sub ratio that was fully colonized in 5 days and was pinning 7 days after that.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: insanemike]
    #22866269 - 02/05/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

the cool thing about subs is they all bring something to the table....i wish more folks would mix shit up and stop comparing. going to run this method with pans and mex i think it will do me justice...if i had libs left i'd try that too.


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