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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22762679 - 01/10/16 04:52 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

:congrats:


that's a nice tub man.

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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22762695 - 01/10/16 04:55 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

PF Cakes Slurry>Grain Slurry>=Cornmeal Plate Slurry>BRF Plate Slurry
was his ranking.  I've never seen anything faster than grass seed slurry, 5 days, 100%.  Gotta be careful with that endospore laiden shit though.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22763053 - 01/10/16 06:12 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

nice job, Stare!  I'd call that a full canopy.. if you let that go all the way to sporalation, you'd have full coverage, easy.  :thumbup:

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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22763165 - 01/10/16 06:33 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

"AA+ with no liner, spawned/cased/fruited 19 days ago. My average for regular cubes in 66's was 29 or so. I'm sold on this method for sure."

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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: uncle_rico]
    #22763577 - 01/10/16 07:42 PM (8 years, 21 days ago)

Thanks, guys. I consider you guys both elite growers and like checking your pics! Thanks for the props!


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: stareatclouds]
    #22764079 - 01/10/16 09:39 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

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I think eats says slurry inoculation of the bulk cuts off about 3 days of colonization, though that would depend on the spawn ratio and inoculation points of the specifc grain used.  I'd expect that off the total, maybe more, since its hold on the bulk sub may be more conolidated faster, or it may think the entire sub is colonized faster.




ive done 3 quart grain slurries to 10-11 quarts substrate volume(same volume I use 5 quarts of regular spawn) and had full colonization in 3 days by the end of day 3. that is consistent in all trials with the 3 days bulk colonization.

ive never tried a rye grass seed slurry. have you tried one?


also, i even think you could get away slurrying 1/2 a quart of grain and spawning the rest normally and you would still get 3 ddays tops. i can get 3 days with wbs grain spawned normally with 5 quarts. but the oats take a little longer being 4 day bulk colonization with less inoc. points.

GS2G= Grain slurry to grain transfer.

you blend up a grain jar as a slurry and inoculate more jars with it. you can do it two ways. you use a small amount of grain like a spoonful and blend it into 1/2-1 pint or more of water. this ends up being like a GLC. you can inoculate probably twice as many jars as a regular blended slurry but it takes about twice as long to colonize. my max time on the GLC type slurries were 9 days full colonization and colonized double the amount of quart jars compared to a thicker muddy type slurry. GLC slurries look like cloudy water.

the regular grain slurry is almost like soup. whereas the GLC type is cloudy water. the soupy mix, which has a full quart of grain colonizes in 3-4 days. i only used 1 quart per 50 inoculated quarts though. but it does have the potential to inoculate much more than that. depending on how fast you want your grain. if you have time to wait, you can inoculate more jars. just use a clean culture and its all gravy. the easiest work ive done is blending up a slurry and pouring it into 50 quarts. 3 days later. i had 50 quarts of grain ready to go. you know in 7 days you have as much spawn as you want, when you want it. its simple. its like blending a milk shake and pouring it into a bunch of cups.

the benefit is this, lets say you only have one quart of grain left after a certain situation like life getting in the way. you don't have any agar, or anything else going and you have to start from plates.

well how long will it really take you to start from plates and get a few transfer in to get clean culture and get 50-100 quarts of spawn? a month? a month and a half? A2g. g2g.

you could g2g that one quart and make maybe 10-12 quarts of spawn if your lucky. that takes 5-7 days. you then take those 10-12 to expand to 100-120 from each of those masters. thats another 5-7 days. so your looking at 14 days to get the same amount of spawn you can get in 3 days. so, to each his own. but i often always have one quart leftover that i can't find anything to do with. so ill slurry that mofo and get a ton of spawn really quick. ain't nothing easier.:cool:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: eatyualive]
    #22764260 - 01/10/16 10:35 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Dude, 3 day colonization with WBS?  You must have some great fucking cultures man.  Usually takes 6-7 for mine.  What spawn ratio are you using?  Do you think it has something to do with the poo?

Anyway, great info as always man.  I've done grass seed slurry.  It's fast.  My grass seed is quite high in endospores.  Not sure how much I trust it.  I would definitely want to do a boil, 10 hour wait period, and then PC half a pint for 90 minutes at least.  I think it grows the most mycellium of any grain.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22766566 - 01/11/16 04:27 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Had anyone run into their tubs pinning well before the substrate seems at full colonization with this method. My sub doesn't seem close but is pinning like mad. Wondering if it's underlying contam or just par for the course with this. Only done it once this way and the sub was super dry and didn't produce til I soaked the crap out of it.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: themadextractor]
    #22766686 - 01/11/16 04:55 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

Was literally about to post the same query, as I'm having the same results. I've got myc poking through all around the edges and some in the middle, but it looks to be covered in pins in all the spots it's poking through. Pictures eventually.

9 days after spawning. After closer inspection it may be more colonised than suspected, however I kept a small jar that I plan to fruit out the top of that isn't completely colonized and has a couple of large pins, unfortunately inside of the jar -.-


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning (moved) [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22766831 - 01/11/16 05:30 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

So about 12-13 days from spawning, and I have a small patch of pins.

Chron, this is the most tomentose mycelium I've worked with, but very fast.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning (moved) [Re: Grey]
    #22767215 - 01/11/16 06:56 PM (8 years, 20 days ago)

I'm at like 10 days as well. Does yours "look" fully colonized.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: themadextractor]
    #22768367 - 01/11/16 11:43 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

I had a question... So this thread has made me realize that I read if you try fruiting a substrate that's not 100% it welcomes contams.  You guys are putting Uncolonized subs straight into fruiting conditions so that's be right?  What happens if you say let a sub colonize 50% then fruit though? Hmmm


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: PreparationH]
    #22768382 - 01/11/16 11:47 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

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I had a question... So this thread has made me realize that I read if you try fruiting a substrate that's not 100% it welcomes contams.  You guys are putting I colonized subs straight into fruiting conditions so that's be right?  What happens if you say let a sub colonize 50% then fruit though? Hmmm



It would colonize a lot slower, and then the mycelium might stall out, given the amount of FAE. Some cultures are super fast tho, and would still colonize completely and start pinning.
I always like to give my subs the extra time they need. :grin:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22768408 - 01/12/16 12:00 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22768409 - 01/12/16 12:01 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

How does that account for all the success in this thread with ppl putting Uncolonized subs right into fruiting conditions?


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: PreparationH]
    #22768418 - 01/12/16 12:06 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

I don't think it increases contams at all. Maybe if you left the lid off or something. It just promotes fruiting as soon as the sub is ready, as opposed to waiting until you decide. FAE isn't a contamination trigger, contaminants are.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: PreparationH]
    #22768419 - 01/12/16 12:06 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Putting a dialed in monotub into fruiting conditions does not dry out the substrate.  Furthermore, I suspect that if you use a casing at spawning like this method suggests, significant evaporation will not occur on the mycellium until it has gotten near the surface of the casing, which should be after it has colonized the entire substrate.  The increased O2 saturation is probably just an added bonus that speeds up colonization.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning (moved) [Re: themadextractor]
    #22768914 - 01/12/16 06:30 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

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I'm at like 10 days as well. Does yours "look" fully colonized.




On top, yes. The bottom of the sub isn't as snowy white as it normally would be when colonized with taped holes. I don't see any really dark spots of uncolonized coir though.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning (moved) [Re: Grey]
    #22769152 - 01/12/16 08:50 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)

It's official, those are definitely pins, and they're albino! Just as I had hoped.

9 days after spawning I see pins. It doesn't look fully colonized to me but it sounds like that's pretty average with this tek, it fruits when it's ready, not when it's colonized. I've heard people say their subs were not as strong or put together as the ones they had let consolidate and tape up before it pinned so it may be harder to dunk but overall I'm excited. Pinset looks decent. Wish I could upload pictures stupid computer.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning (moved) [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22769263 - 01/12/16 09:38 AM (8 years, 19 days ago)



There's no liner so you can the sub isn't a full block of white, colonized myc. It produced a canopy though.


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