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NumeroEno
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: NDStepp84]
#22653737 - 12/14/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't posted anything about it yet, but one of the APE tubs I spawned got a top layer of untreated coir at spawning. I spawned 2 other tubs that same day so I'm just going to put the tub with the top layer into fruiting at the same time as I case the other 2 tubs. I'll post results in here. The holes are still taped up but I tried this to see if I could save a couple days on a dick tub.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: NumeroEno]
#22653835 - 12/14/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have an ape mono tub I spawned Friday with a casing layer of jiffy mix, I also poly'd up the holes. It's nearly colonized already. If this works, it's truly a set and forget mono and I don't have to pasteurize the casing layer separately or bother taping holes first. Only downfall is if you're not careful you will get hpoo flying out of the holes while you mix it with the spawn.
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NumeroEno
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: midnightmaraude]
#22654237 - 12/14/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it should work fine. Honestly I've never had APE or PEU blob on me and I've fruited them both uncased. In fact, APE and PEU fruit faster for me than any other cube. I think set and forget will work with APE and PEU with no casing. I've got a PEU master colonizing and I might try an uncased poly at spawning tub or two...
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NDStepp84
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: NumeroEno]
#22654356 - 12/14/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update: noticed the first pins this morning 14 days since spawning and they are regular fruits!, no blobs so far  Differences between tubs: The same limited ms culture was used, not an isolate so all this may not mean anything, this is my first experience with PE.
Blob tub- 5 quarts PE on rye berries to CVG, taped holes, cased with CVG at 100% spawn was on the dry side and turned out to be bacterial, went green after first flush.
Current tub- 7 quarts PE on oats spawned to CV, left the gypsum out only used in grain prep, medium poly cased with 3quarts jiffy at spawning. This tub is also a good week ahead of where the taped tub was at this time. This tub seems to have a better moisture content and be healthier overall.
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NumeroEno
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: NDStepp84]
#22654639 - 12/14/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: NDStepp84]
#22654680 - 12/14/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know I'm a noob, but before I really understood colonizing bulk, I never taped the holes. I also wouldn't get trich for a few flushes. I think the medium poly helps prevent trich from developing in cases where grains are more susceptible to contam.
@numerouno, think I should throw a 'second' casing mixture on top, like jiffy mix?
BTW, this is MS PE. It was was spawned straight bucket pasteurized CVG(~ 1:1) , casing layer applied immediately. I am starting to see what appear to be hyphal knotting. Born 12/4 Approx 2.5 qt WBS spawned into a 30qt mini mono.

Any suggestions vets? Let it rock on ?
Edited by dankington (12/14/15 06:43 PM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: dankington]
#22655353 - 12/14/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's an update:
I spawned, cased and fruited 6 quarts of oats on 11/6.

I got a mix of blobs and small, mutated fruits. This is 11/29, 23 days after spawning.

After picking the blobs and weird fruits clean, I dunked for an hour in tap water. The second flush came in relatively strong, full of fruits only. This is 12/14, roughly 38 days after spawning.
I think I'll let it go for a third flush.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: stareatclouds]
#22655428 - 12/14/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stare I gotta tub right now doing the same thing. Gonna try a few other things on some other tubs that I will be spawning this coming weekend. Will keep this thread posted.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: dankington] 1
#22656142 - 12/14/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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dankington said: I know I'm a noob, but before I really understood colonizing bulk, I never taped the holes. I also wouldn't get trich for a few flushes. I think the medium poly helps prevent trich from developing in cases where grains are more susceptible to contam.
@numerouno, think I should throw a 'second' casing mixture on top, like jiffy mix?
BTW, this is MS PE. It was was spawned straight bucket pasteurized CVG(~ 1:1) , casing layer applied immediately. I am starting to see what appear to be hyphal knotting. Born 12/4 Approx 2.5 qt WBS spawned into a 30qt mini mono.

Any suggestions vets? Let it rock on ?
Trich likes a CO2 rich climate, so that may have something to do with it.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22657746 - 12/15/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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4th day in on this tub with this method and I'd say one more day or two and it will be fully colonized.
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Kalistis


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: midnightmaraude]
#22657920 - 12/15/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was following this method with 2 tubs for 6 days until I noticed how much dryer the subs of the untapped tubs were than the taped. My house is very very dry right now and may not have been the best time to try this out. I taped the holes up 24 hours ago and already the areas that appeared very dry and uncolonized are recovering.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Kalistis]
#22657977 - 12/15/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is your ambient rh?
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Kalistis


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: insanemike]
#22657981 - 12/15/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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23%
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insanemike
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Kalistis]
#22657985 - 12/15/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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At any time of the year, does your rh get any lower than that?
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Kalistis


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: insanemike]
#22658001 - 12/15/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know. This is only my 3rd month measuring it but I wouldn't think so. I live in coastal/chaparral ecosystem. Winter tends to be the driest in the home, though due to the heater and lack of rain.
Let me look up historical rh data.
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Kalistis


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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Kalistis]
#22658012 - 12/15/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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See, this just confirms that I should be growing outside when it's warmer. My home's rh is much lower than local rh average for this time of year.
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insanemike
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Kalistis]
#22658026 - 12/15/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I'm getting at is that if your rh stays there or gets lower than that for any sustained amount of time, it maybe best to invest in one of those $30 humidifiers and just get you're rh up to about 40-50%. Not only is it good for the cubies but it will be better for you and your family. Homes with rh at 40-50% spend less money on their heating bill and it's also better on your lungs.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs [Re: Kalistis]
#22658029 - 12/15/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kali,
You can mist still if the sub is dry.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: insanemike]
#22658054 - 12/15/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
insanemike said: What I'm getting at is that if your rh stays there or gets lower than that for any sustained amount of time, it maybe best to invest in one of those $30 humidifiers and just get you're rh up to about 40-50%. Not only is it good for the cubies but it will be better for you and your family. Homes with rh at 40-50% spend less money on their heating bill and it's also better on your lungs.
QFT. i run one in my room at night when I'm sleeping. i think it helps prevent getting sick cause u won't dry out ur mucous membranes, but I'm no doctor, and can't really back that up with anything but personal experience.
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Pastywhyte
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I wish my house was 23% RH. Hell I would love for it to be 15%. I should get a cool mist.
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