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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: dankington]
    #22565047 - 11/23/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People have reported using low spawn ratios lessens blobs but I've never experienced it.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22565117 - 11/23/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I use a 1:1 or 1:1.5 :shrug:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22565170 - 11/23/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have a theory on PE blobs, nutrition and casing. I actually have some cased grains with PE  that should be pinning soon.

Sorry about the off topic post azur.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22574841 - 11/25/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

to add the the blob discussion. ive tried everything. dung/straw/coir/verm/gypsum ect. high spawn ratios, low spawn ratios, regular spawn ratios, casings, no casings. ive had blobnatiion non stop with pe, peu.

so used this method with medium poly and actually got fruits. its not that fast, took 24 days from spawn to fruit. but hell, it fruited only half blob. these fruits have some bulbous caps. the tub feels dense and heavy. even though the flush looks small.



anyway, im going to double over my misting and water content on this next round. i think that has the most to do with success and failure so far. i didn't mist this tub and the entire tub was dry while all my other tubs were dripping wet. i had to mist the tub heavily. ive had better luck with dunking the pe so far. ill dunk this one or maybe even dust it with some damp coir after this flush.

comparatively dialed in tub with tight poly in the bottom. loose in the top.



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22575011 - 11/25/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Those look like nice thick PE! The 2 tubs you showed there are totally different looking. Only difference was the poly?


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22575026 - 11/25/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Those look like nice thick PE! The 2 tubs you showed there are totally different looking. Only difference was the poly?



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22575050 - 11/25/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ha, azur's little dick is fruiting on the left side of the tub. Crazy!


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22575058 - 11/25/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Those look like nice thick PE! The 2 tubs you showed there are totally different looking. Only difference was the poly?



yes.



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22575094 - 11/25/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Damnit eat! Gonna make me hate living here more than I already do, if it wasn't for the healthcare I would be gone :lmafo:

At any rate azur I wanted to post what became of that first tub I tried this on. You may recall that I felt my first flush yield was a touch low given the 5 quarts spawn I used. Well final dry weight came in at 10.5 oz, which was a bit low but only by a bit. Average for me with that clone and 5 quarts is around 11.5-12. So not bad given the speed of the method.

Anyway I decided to go for a second flush with this guy, usually this clone is a one and done deal. Most of the time I am lucky to see 3 mushrooms second flush with it. But I let it go to see if I could make up the shortfall. It did not disappoint.



Now that might look shit to some of you but for this clone I assure you its a miracle. Made up all the shortfall and then some. I was pretty shocked. Might even dunk it and see if a third is possible. I should be able to spare the space.

So IMO this is pretty solid. Great for the one and done guy as any shortfall in yield is more than made up for by speed. A week off pin time for this clone is kick ass and could represent a significant production boost. For those who ain't about that one flush and like to keep their tubs kicking around, its safe to say that there is only gain with it for them too. They benefit from a fast initial pinset and get that same yield over two flushes in less time. Killer.

I have a third tub I spawned but neglected to case at spawning. Its almost done 3 days later and I will case and slightly consolidate for the remainder of the week. Should be insightful :cheers:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22575097 - 11/25/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

nice 2nd! if its over 2 oz dry on 2nd i consider that a success. i always shoot for close to 4 though. after a dunk, dung substrates don't behave the same as my strawnet substrates. i think the difference is in the water absorption of the substrate. dung doesn't take as well as the strawnet. i can do 12 hour dunks without issue on the strawnet subs. but the dung subs are a little more brittle to me. im only doing 1 hour tribal dunks. ive since misted 4 tubs for 2nd flush and they are currently pinning.

used the same culture, same substrate recipe. same casing recipe, same spawn ratio being 5 quarts to 10 quarts substrate.

substrate was coir/verm/gypsum/dung

ratios were mixed for 10 tubs at one time. so i do have a recipe i followed for 10 tubs but couldn't give you the exact breakdown per tub. but it was 10 quarts volume of that mix. the water content is basically 5 quarts per tub. give or take.

do you dunk pasty? it might actually benefit your climate in the winter and then you might actually be able to dial in your tubs with a dunk. i wonder....

yeah quicker flushes is the key. dunks also reduce recovery on pinning times for me. this along with dunks is very quick. :thumbup:

an easy way to keep a consistent yield.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22575162 - 11/25/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22575193 - 11/25/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I usually don't dunk with classic cubes, often I just pour water in the liner and mist the top lots. But I do dunk PE and APE for the second flushes, they demand it.

This tub wasn't dunked either but then again this was still the best second flush I ever had from this clone. Usually the sub looks like a smashed asshole once the first one is done.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22575200 - 11/25/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22575205 - 11/25/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I agree. That's why I case :derfase:


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22575223 - 11/25/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22578072 - 11/26/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

to add the the blob discussion. ive tried everything. dung/straw/coir/verm/gypsum ect. high spawn ratios, low spawn ratios, regular spawn ratios, casings, no casings, consolidation, no consolidation. ive had blobnatiion non stop with pe, peu no matter what ive done until now.

so used this method with medium poly and actually got fruits. its not that fast, took 24 days from spawn to fruit. but hell, it fruited only half blob. these fruits have some bulbous caps. the tub feels dense and heavy. even though the flush looks small.



anyway, im going to double over my misting and water content on this next round. i think that has the most to do with success and failure so far. i didn't mist this tub and the entire tub was dry while all my other tubs were dripping wet. i had to mist the tub heavily. ive had better luck with dunking the pe so far. ill dunk this one or maybe even dust it with some damp coir after this flush.

comparatively dialed in tub with tight poly in the bottom. loose in the top.



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22578188 - 11/26/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Blob or no blob, they are beautifully healthy looking mushrooms.


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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22578534 - 11/26/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

and dropping spores very nicely!

So a Penis Envy fruit was taken into a SAB. It was Swabbed to a cornmeal plate using sterilized qtips. You can see the spores on the Swab.



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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
    #22578744 - 11/26/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
    #22579636 - 11/26/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There are so many opinions about how to avoid blobs. I haven't had any yet :shrug:

My open air grows have all dropped spores and are being printed. I am anxious to see if the same culture doesn't expel the spores so readily when grown in the minimono.

I am loving how much time I seem to be saving. My open-air colonized bags started to fruit within 10 days of spawning.

Thanks for all the good ideas on this thread!


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