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azur
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22512687 - 11/12/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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eatyualive
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22514945 - 11/12/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: To still allow for a jump in FAE to assist in switching responses. O2 levels are still far higher than if all the holes were taped but, there is still room for an FAE boost.
i get the same ge marks on the top holes show on my tubs with medium poly in all holes compared to loose "dialed in" poly in the top hole with tight poly in the bottom holes.
it wouldn't hurt to loosen the tops, but isn't necessary. different strokes. if you have high airflow it might be an issue.
in a humid environment: subtle airflow = loose poly. higher airflow = medium poly.
i get the same results with either. but i do far less work keeping it medium, set and forget at spawning. this only requires harvesting the tub. if you like misting, you can also do that. i get decent results not adding any water to my tubs after its induced. my overall goal is always to harvest then re-hydrate, whether it is misting or dunking. the less maintenance the better. i like em both depends on the mood im in. if i want faster turnaround between a flush, i dunk. if im not in any hurry, ill mist. dunked tubs beat regular tubs to fruiting by 3 days on average for me.
the entire idea is to do as little work as possible to get the same end result. im not sure why anyone would want to do more work.
here are the side shots of the tubs induced into fruiting.
hard to tell from this shot, but you can see the side top holes with no condensation below the hole down to the bottom of the tub. the lower holes show a small ring around them. if i had the top holes dialed in with lighter poly in the top, it would look exactly the same side by side of the tubs with all medium polyfil in each hole.

here are the tubs with medium poly. when i setup tubs like frank "dialed in" so they say, it looks the same. but i like the ease of not doing anything special and getting the same results. knock it if you want, but im doing far less work. not real sure there is anything up for debate at this point.
 
the tubs below were polied the entire time. all about 12" fruits on average. the only maintenance done was harvest from the time of spawning.
   
         
  
multispore. took some clones. will post those soon enough. going all out cornmeal liquid inoculation. ill conclude that with, mushrooms dial themselves in if you put the right ingredients into the formula.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive] 1
#22515011 - 11/12/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice work eat. Unfortunately for me I live in a very dry environment. In addition to getting the most in terms of tropic responses from my colony, my other concern is drying. Even with low/minimal airflow in the room, medium poly in the bottom holes would certainly lead to dry patches. During colonization I would be concerned about the sub material being too dry if I just poly the tops.
It actually took me some time to figure out that i can't dial in a set and forget tub the same way as most other people. Hell running a fan killed performance on many tubs before I thought to pitch it. I envy you guys who live in humid climates with little winter. Running a furnace 24-7 is hell on the mushies and pretty brutal on people to.
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eatyualive
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22515036 - 11/12/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nice work eat. Unfortunately for me I live in a very dry environment. In addition to getting the most in terms of tropic responses from my colony, my other concern is drying. Even with low/minimal airflow in the room, medium poly in the bottom holes would certainly lead to dry patches. During colonization I would be concerned about the sub material being too dry if I just poly the tops.
It actually took me some time to figure out that i can't dial in a set and forget tub the same way as most other people. Hell running a fan killed performance on many tubs before I thought to pitch it. I envy you guys who live in humid climates with little winter. Running a furnace 24-7 is hell on the mushies and pretty brutal on people to.
yeah exactly its different for everyone's environment. no one method works perfectly. it may work way up there in wonderland, but not way down here in imaginationland.  and the spitting to ice thing...no thanks. haha
wow, the medium is drying for you. crazy times. can't imagine living in the desert. being the humid environment i have, i hardly need to water. that would definitely be a different issue if it were similar to yours.
yeah i used to live in the winter areas that were drier due to the heater. but humid summers. so the method still worked. but not as extreme as your environment.
do you put yours in tight in the bottoms or in all holes?
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
#22515060 - 11/12/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tight in bottoms always. If I case then tops are loose, if uncased the tops are medium until pinset comes in.
Understanding the different environmental challenges we face is something hard to wrap ones head around. That's why I only give advice based on what I see.
One thing I am certain of tho is that higher O2 during spawn run is a good thing, has shaved a week off spawn run to pin times
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eatyualive
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22515075 - 11/12/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah it works really well! i do both cased an uncased this way. ill try misting a tub or two for shits and giggles if i remember.
ive always done it that way from the get go. as did the forums in 1999-2003ish. not sure where the taped holes came into play. probably some video on youtube i didn't watch.
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
#22515510 - 11/12/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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on the left: mini double tub spawned with amazonian, tight on the bottom, loose on top. on the right: my open air experiment with cambodians. relevant differences: amazonians are in a small double tub and cambodians are in the same container the double tub is made of, but only the bottom one. there are some other minor differences, but they don't appear to be relevant.
the difference is pretty severe, note the open air one is showing some pins in the corners.
do the different strains invalidate this?
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: DaveyJones6911]
#22515681 - 11/12/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude eat, nice tubs!
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uncle_rico
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: azur]
#22515727 - 11/12/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok ! I've been following this thread with interest and it's time to jump in.
way back when .. the first monotubs I did were colonized in black plastic garbage bags ! (that was the thinking then.) darkness and minimal airflow for high CO2 levels and everyone afraid of contamination.
wow, we have changed. I have basically kept up with new developments ...except I was still colonizing with duct tape over the holes.
started two monotubs 6 and 7 days ago: mixed spawn(4 full qts of oats) with hpoo, coir, verm, gypsum bulk (10 qts) covered with a layer of pasteurized jiffy mix (2 qts) polyfil in at that time
here they are at 6 and 7 days:
 
the bulk was colonized by about 5 days (hard to tell with my trashbag liner). the jiffy mix is colonizing like a typical casing layer (not getting overly eaten).
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eatyualive
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: uncle_rico]
#22515737 - 11/12/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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uncle rico, man nice growing!
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stareatclouds
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
#22515753 - 11/12/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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rico,
Do you use smaller holes and looser stuffing?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: stareatclouds]
#22515772 - 11/12/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uncle Rico in da house! Can't wait to see how those go, you always rock wicked PE
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Pastywhyte
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22516311 - 11/12/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay so the first clone tub that is notorious for coming in uneven is starting to get a decent pinset up. Gonna have a dozen fruits a few days ahead but meh, that's no biggie. Just pulled the poly from one of the top holes.

Other tub with no casing or patching just a pseudo layer is starting to hella knot up. Liking the look of it.
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fahtster
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22516453 - 11/13/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Faht
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uncle_rico
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
#22516641 - 11/13/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey guys,
star, I use 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" holes with 'medium' poly stuffing. nothing out of the ordinary.
I am interested in shaving time off of PE fruiting .. and azur's '7 days from spawning' pin is a mind blower.
these two tubs are a std. cubensis variety that previously colonized tubs in 5 to 7 days. .. then I let them sit for a day or 2 .. then in to fruiting conditions and pins 5 days later. so, for this culture, pins 12 to 14 days after spawning the tub. curious to see what happens here.
I have proven to myself long ago that casing layers improve my pinsets and yields. however, due to my own laziness, I have rarely used casing layers on cubensis (including PE). I don't like the moist casing material sticking to the stipes . silly
anyway, I don't layer either. (hi faht) just mix and do neglect, passive grows.
the tubs just went outside, partially sheltered but still in the breeze. I get nervous when conditions stay moist and stale for too long .. so anyway, they are now in true fruiting conditions. may have to stuff more poly. the 70% humidity helps.
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: uncle_rico]
#22516839 - 11/13/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so funny rico, you and i are very much alike. i didn't use casing layers due to laziness for 10 years.
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paperbackwriter
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: eatyualive]
#22516980 - 11/13/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So azure, when are you going to write the fuck liners tek and get all these guys on board with that?
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Re: taping holes in monotubs/casing at spawning [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22516982 - 11/13/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I actually found a really easy way to do liners recently, which were really irritating me due to the bitchsauce nature of taping bags.
I just spray down the walls and bottom of the tub with my 1:10 bleach water and the liner sticks to it really nicely, no tape needed. Tuck a few loose ends into the lid, colonize, case it, and cut it down.
Not sure why, but my water sprayer didn't do it. Maybe cause the mist is finer, maybe bleach changes the adhesion properties somehow, idk. I'm lazy and I don't think a tablespoon of bleach water is gonna do shit.
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paperbackwriter
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I get fewer side pins with a level sub vs a liner. Much less work too.
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