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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22435086 - 10/26/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly.  His post made it sound like he thinks oil will never run out.  :crazy2:




We won't run out, at least not completely.

There is still a lot of oil that is hard and expensive as hell to drill.

If anything it would make prices rise so high hardly anyone would buy it.

I guarantee by that time we will have found a better alternative anyway.

We probably haven't reached worldwide peak oil yet, however the US did in 1971.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: micro]
    #22435149 - 10/26/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly.  His post made it sound like he thinks oil will never run out.  :crazy2:




We won't run out, at least not completely.

There is still a lot of oil that is hard and expensive as hell to drill.

If anything it would make prices rise so high hardly anyone would buy it.

I guarantee by that time we will have found a better alternative anyway.

We probably haven't reached worldwide peak oil yet, however the US did in 1971.




Cars can be run on natural gas with virtually no biproduct, and no need for oil changes, because it burns so clean. I believe America has the worlds largest reserves of natural gas, and it would be much cheaper than gasoline to run a car on it. There are kits to convert your car to natural gas, but you have to buy a lot of expensive equipment, and hook it up to your the gas line in your house. It's a big hassle and expensive for a single person to take on. Beyond that though, you get the equivalent of $0.5/gallon of gasoline.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22435235 - 10/26/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Natural gas vs. what?

That is still petroleum; it's just a light fraction.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22435600 - 10/26/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: micro]
    #22435605 - 10/26/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Natural gas vs. what?

That is still petroleum; it's just a light fraction.




Natural gas vs gasoline... obviously...


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22435711 - 10/26/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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micro said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Exactly.  His post made it sound like he thinks oil will never run out.  :crazy2:




We won't run out, at least not completely.

There is still a lot of oil that is hard and expensive as hell to drill.

If anything it would make prices rise so high hardly anyone would buy it.

I guarantee by that time we will have found a better alternative anyway.

We probably haven't reached worldwide peak oil yet, however the US did in 1971.




Cars can be run on natural gas with virtually no biproduct, and no need for oil changes, because it burns so clean. I believe America has the worlds largest reserves of natural gas, and it would be much cheaper than gasoline to run a car on it. There are kits to convert your car to natural gas, but you have to buy a lot of expensive equipment, and hook it up to your the gas line in your house. It's a big hassle and expensive for a single person to take on. Beyond that though, you get the equivalent of $0.5/gallon of gasoline.




Congress/Obama should have started a natural gas pumping stations program across the country, yet again another great opportunity pissed away.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22436505 - 10/26/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, let's look at science behind climate change
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So as you can see, the science is NOT settled, and if there was so much overwhelming evidence to support it, why do scientists fudge, omit, and flat out lie about the data?




Grants? This is unfortunate, but I guess is a part of human nature.

Regarding the weather, the only way to make these kinds of predictions about such a stochastic system is with computer models and such. Seeing how accurately we can predict the weather in a week, I find it hard to trust the accuracy of predictions a decade or century or however long down the road. There is simply too much going on; it's a chaotic system and involves both micro and macroscopic as well as even interstellar forces. As an example:

http://oilprice.com/The-Environment/Global-Warming/Interstellar-Energy-Cloud-May-Be-As-Much-To-Blame-For-Climate-Change-As-CO2-Emissions.html

Who the hell would have seen *that* coming? :lol:

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Natural gas vs gasoline... obviously...




Ah, I see where you are going, now.

I thought this had some juxtaposition with the peak oil thing.

I guess it would be good for getting sales to become more domestic.

It's also cheaper but I'm not sure if it is going to convince people it is worth the cost for conversion.

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There are kits to convert your car to natural gas, but you have to buy a lot of expensive equipment, and hook it up to your the gas line in your house. It's a big hassle and expensive for a single person to take on. Beyond that though, you get the equivalent of $0.5/gallon of gasoline.




$0.50c / gallon seems awfully low, especially looking at this:

http://www.cngnow.com/average-cng-prices/pages/default.aspx

Then again, if you are getting gas delivered directly through a hub it may be different.

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Congress/Obama should have started a natural gas pumping stations program across the country, yet again another great opportunity pissed away.




It could be good for the economy but I'd wonder how practical that would be. If nobody uses it then the program would be a waste of money. With a total of one CNG car in production, car companies don't seem to think they will. You could make the argument that it's an investment, but that doesn't affect the length of the presidential term which I'm sure is a factor. With programs like this, people like to see results immediately and don't think long-term.

This is a shame because it seems stations that pump it are pretty damn sparse.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: micro]
    #22436972 - 10/26/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think switching to natural gas would remove a lot of the stigma toward auto manufacturers and energy companies. In fact, they might be celebrated by the tree hugging hippies. Oil will always be useful for plastics and tires anyway. I think it would be great PR for a political regime.

Anyways... I'm just spitballin shit... I havent given it a lot of thought really.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: micro]
    #22437370 - 10/26/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That price, about $2.10 is for 1 million btu of natural gas. Gasoline has about 114,000 btu per gallon. That does not mean necessarily a million btu of cng or lng can take you 9 times as far as a gallon of gasoline but it will definitely take you farther than a gallon of gas. So 50 cent a gallon comparison to gasoline is reasonable.

However, 1m btu of gas will be several gallons, I'm not sure how many. A gallon of lng is only about 70% at most as powerful as a gallon of gasoline so you would need a larger tank and it would have to be under pressure though not that much. It would take special carburetors or fuel injectors and recalibrating of the car. It can be retrofitted.

If our idiot president had spent even 10% of the money he wasted destroying those other countries, we would have it now. Why can't he spend money at home? Except for big industry making bombs etc, none of it was spent here.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22437394 - 10/26/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That price, about $2.10 is for 1 million btu of natural gas. Gasoline has about 114,000 btu per gallon. That does not mean necessarily a million btu of cng or lng can take you 9 times as far as a gallon of gasoline but it will definitely take you farther than a gallon of gas. So 50 cent a gallon comparison to gasoline is reasonable.




Not from what I'm seeing on that site and others...

http://www.cngnow.com/vehicles/calculator/pages/information.aspx

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2.08  Per gasoline gallon equivalent (GGE)




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GGE – Gallon of Gasoline Equivalent is the typical way CNG is sold at public fueling stations and the typical way that CNG tanks are rated. One standard GGE = 114,000 BTUs which equals 126.67 SCF (126.67).




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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: micro]
    #22437508 - 10/26/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can't find the page where I saw the price as 2.10 per mmbtu but here is a link that shows a price of 4.59 for 1000 cu ft back in july and we know prices have tumbled since then. 1000 cu ft of gas = 1 million btu so my figures would be approximately correct

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_pri_sum_dcu_nus_m.htm

Your link is dated 2012. I do see where they say the equivalent is 2.08 per gallon of gasoline but that may include a lot of profit, I don't know. Or prices may have fallen a lot. Oil was $100 a barrel not too long ago so those prices may reflect that. It also says $8k for a conversion which sounds high. You may have to give up most of the trunk space to do it but I bet you could convert for a lot less.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22437621 - 10/26/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't find the page where I saw the price as 2.10 per mmbtu but here is a link that shows a price of 4.59 for 1000 cu ft back in july and we know prices have tumbled since then. 1000 cu ft of gas = 1 million btu so my figures would be approximately correct

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_pri_sum_dcu_nus_m.htm




That is import/export data. 1000 cubic feet is 7480 gallons :o

In other words, how much someone like BP or Chevron pays, not someone at a pump.

They own the facilities to park it and all that which must be why it is so cheap.

I was using this; I assume it is supposedly as up-to-date as possible *shrugs*

http://www.cngnow.com/average-cng-prices/pages/default.aspx

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Your link is dated 2012




It's a calculator. I'd assume they made it in 2012.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22438166 - 10/26/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That price, about $2.10 is for 1 million btu of natural gas. Gasoline has about 114,000 btu per gallon. That does not mean necessarily a million btu of cng or lng can take you 9 times as far as a gallon of gasoline but it will definitely take you farther than a gallon of gas. So 50 cent a gallon comparison to gasoline is reasonable.

However, 1m btu of gas will be several gallons, I'm not sure how many. A gallon of lng is only about 70% at most as powerful as a gallon of gasoline so you would need a larger tank and it would have to be under pressure though not that much. It would take special carburetors or fuel injectors and recalibrating of the car. It can be retrofitted.

If our idiot president had spent even 10% of the money he wasted destroying those other countries, we would have it now. Why can't he spend money at home? Except for big industry making bombs etc, none of it was spent here.




Now here's something I strongly agree with you on, Stoney!


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22449845 - 10/29/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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when liberal publications are the ones doing it, yeah, that IS trying to normalize it...




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