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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 3
    #22403961 - 10/19/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ad hominem is attacking an opponent instead of refuting their position. i've refuted all of your claims. if anyone is committing ad hominem it's you by assuming i endorse pedophilia. so again, please learn to read carefully and please learn to discuss issues respectfully. it's a skill that, once mastered, will invariably lead you to knowledge and understanding of the world.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22404038 - 10/19/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you really should learn how to read more carefully and discuss issues respectfully.




Ad hominem



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ad hominem is attacking an opponent instead of refuting their position.




Yep


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22404049 - 10/19/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what position of yours am i avoiding to refute?


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22404088 - 10/19/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you really should learn how to read more carefully and discuss issues respectfully.




Ad hominem



Not even close.  Pointing out the flaw in your debate style is constructive criticism.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22404720 - 10/19/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, they sure aren't treating it as the horrific act it is, that's for sure. Hence the normalizing claim in the OP




I didn't read the articles, just the headlines... but I have to agree with you. Pedophilia really is just disgusting, and horribly damaging to children's lives. I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form.

I will say that I don't think Salon's articles are representative of 'liberals' in general. There are different kinds of Liberals though. Some grab onto every stupid fucking issue they can conjure up and run with it. They 'manufacture outrage' about stupid shit, like the spelling of women. The feminists drive me fucking whack! I'm not talking about egalitarian women either.

There are also reasonable people, like the libs you find around here. None of us latch on to ridiculous issues, or manufacture outrage. That's a fact. We don't see any grey areas with pedophilia either.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22404761 - 10/19/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, they sure aren't treating it as the horrific act it is, that's for sure. Hence the normalizing claim in the OP




I didn't read the articles, just the headlines... but I have to agree with you. Pedophilia really is just disgusting, and horribly damaging to children's lives. I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form.

I will say that I don't think Salon's articles are representative of 'liberals' in general. There are different kinds of Liberals though. Some grab onto every stupid fucking issue they can conjure up and run with it. They 'manufacture outrage' about stupid shit, like the spelling of women. The feminists drive me fucking whack! I'm not talking about egalitarian women either.

There are also reasonable people, like the libs you find around here. None of us latch on to ridiculous issues, or manufacture outrage. That's a fact. We don't see any grey areas with pedophilia either.




Well, isn't THAT comforting, lol, thanks for your stand against these monsters, I'm glad there is at least SOMETHING we can agree on

But I do want to add, if liberals don't stand up to this shit, it will become more acceptable, gay marriage and single payer USED to be fringe issues as well...


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22404943 - 10/19/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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Well, they sure aren't treating it as the horrific act it is, that's for sure. Hence the normalizing claim in the OP




I didn't read the articles, just the headlines... but I have to agree with you. Pedophilia really is just disgusting, and horribly damaging to children's lives. I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form.

I will say that I don't think Salon's articles are representative of 'liberals' in general. There are different kinds of Liberals though. Some grab onto every stupid fucking issue they can conjure up and run with it. They 'manufacture outrage' about stupid shit, like the spelling of women. The feminists drive me fucking whack! I'm not talking about egalitarian women either.

There are also reasonable people, like the libs you find around here. None of us latch on to ridiculous issues, or manufacture outrage. That's a fact. We don't see any grey areas with pedophilia either.




Well, isn't THAT comforting, lol, thanks for your stand against these monsters, I'm glad there is at least SOMETHING we can agree on

But I do want to add, if liberals don't stand up to this shit, it will become more acceptable, gay marriage and single payer USED to be fringe issues as well...




I agree, that's why I said I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form, because that's the first step. However, gay marriage and single payer are good issues, and it's great that we've made progress in those areas.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22404967 - 10/19/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, that's why I said I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form, because that's the first step. However, gay marriage and single payer are good issues, and it's great that we've made progress in those areas.




I know you do, but that's why I used them as examples, what was unthinkable 20 years ago, is now accepted, certainly don't want that to happen with this


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22404994 - 10/19/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, that's why I said I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form, because that's the first step. However, gay marriage and single payer are good issues, and it's great that we've made progress in those areas.




I know you do, but that's why I used them as examples, what was unthinkable 20 years ago, is now accepted, certainly don't want that to happen with this




I've seen they're even talking about making kiddie 'rape-me' AI robots for pedophiles... I coined the term 'rape-me robot', btw. You know... I really should get that trademarked.. I bet it's going to be a thing someday.

I don't know where I stand on that one though. Depends how legitimate the artificial intelligence really is. I think we will run into similar ethical problems with AI that you have with humans. Ex-machina was an example of that.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22405075 - 10/19/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, that's why I said I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form, because that's the first step. However, gay marriage and single payer are good issues, and it's great that we've made progress in those areas.




I know you do, but that's why I used them as examples, what was unthinkable 20 years ago, is now accepted, certainly don't want that to happen with this




I've seen they're even talking about making kiddie 'rape-me' AI robots for pedophiles... I coined the term 'rape-me robot', btw. You know... I really should get that trademarked.. I bet it's going to be a thing someday.

I don't know where I stand on that one though. Depends how legitimate the artificial intelligence really is. I think we will run into similar ethical problems with AI that you have with humans. Ex-machina was an example of that.




Well it's the same with computer generated child porn, yes, it's a thing, not actual children so is that okay? Personally, I just think we need to get medeval on thier ass, execute them, who fucking cares, right?

On the other hand, I can't wait for my robot girlfriend, you know, for when the wife is old, lol, and then it's not really cheating! Lol


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22405113 - 10/19/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree, that's why I said I don't think anyone should get comfortable with the idea in any way, shape, or form, because that's the first step. However, gay marriage and single payer are good issues, and it's great that we've made progress in those areas.




I know you do, but that's why I used them as examples, what was unthinkable 20 years ago, is now accepted, certainly don't want that to happen with this




I've seen they're even talking about making kiddie 'rape-me' AI robots for pedophiles... I coined the term 'rape-me robot', btw. You know... I really should get that trademarked.. I bet it's going to be a thing someday.

I don't know where I stand on that one though. Depends how legitimate the artificial intelligence really is. I think we will run into similar ethical problems with AI that you have with humans. Ex-machina was an example of that.




Well it's the same with computer generated child porn, yes, it's a thing, not actual children so is that okay? Personally, I just think we need to get medeval on thier ass, execute them, who fucking cares, right?

On the other hand, I can't wait for my robot girlfriend, you know, for when the wife is old, lol, and then it's not really cheating! Lol




Lmao!!! Yeah, mine's going to be a gymnist XD

Is being a robot fucker a Liberal cause you can..... get behind? lmao!


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #22405144 - 10/19/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you know, i don't really think there's any partisan debate on how terrible child molestation is.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22405190 - 10/19/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you know, i don't really think there's any partisan debate on how terrible child molestation is.




Yeah there is, it's libs trying to normalize it, not conservatives, just sayin...

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Lmao!!! Yeah, mine's going to be a gymnist XD

Is being a robot fucker a Liberal cause you can..... get behind? lmao!




Ya know, I love liberals, I really do, my favorite band, NIN, trents liberal as fuck, but I still follow them and go to a few shows every tour, but do I want them in charge of political shit? fuck no!

That's the thing, libs should stick to what they do best, art and shit, lol


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22405527 - 10/19/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no they aren't. the author of the paper in that journal seems to be trying to normalize it, but not the journal itself. child sodomy is no more a partisan issue than murder is.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22408297 - 10/20/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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no they aren't. the author of the paper in that journal seems to be trying to normalize it, but not the journal itself. child sodomy is no more a partisan issue than murder is.




It took a Liberal pope to finally start straightening out the catholic church on this issue... Just sayin.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22408877 - 10/20/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you know, i don't really think there's any partisan debate on how terrible child molestation is.




Unless you want to argue that ranking members of conservative institutions get caught either doing it, or protecting those that do.

And you certainly could. But I do agree, it's non partisan.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22410009 - 10/20/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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no they aren't. the author of the paper in that journal seems to be trying to normalize it, but not the journal itself. child sodomy is no more a partisan issue than murder is.




If the article is trying to normalize it and the journal publishes that, they are part of the effort to normalize.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22410415 - 10/20/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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no they aren't. the author of the paper in that journal seems to be trying to normalize it, but not the journal itself. child sodomy is no more a partisan issue than murder is.




If the article is trying to normalize it and the journal publishes that, they are part of the effort to normalize.




I don't think he intention of the articles was to 'normalize' pedophilia. Maybe to 'humanize' pedophiles. I don't think it's a worthy cause, and they should certainly be chastised for these articles, but I don't think this can be added to any sort of progressive agenda.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22410844 - 10/20/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think this can be added to any sort of progressive agenda.




Officially? No. But give them time, there was a time when the vast majority of Americans rejected socialism too, now look what you fuckers have done


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22411022 - 10/20/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think this can be added to any sort of progressive agenda.




Officially? No. But give them time, there was a time when the vast majority of Americans rejected socialism too, now look what you fuckers have done




you can't be serious.

and your analogy is inaccurate: we are now less socialistic than we were, unless you want to count corporate welfare i.e. subsidies, which most right wingers are uncomfortable with accepting.


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