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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22394840 - 10/17/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The only think liberals are defending that you seem to hate is free speech.




if defending pedophilia based on "free speech" is where you stand, then so be it...

would you support those who defend the KKK, nazis, and every other racist out there on "free speech"? neither would I...


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22395162 - 10/17/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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would you support those who defend the KKK, nazis, and every other racist out there on "free speech"? neither would I...



What do you mean by "support"?  Of course I don't support what they stand for, but they have a Constitutional right to free speech.  Would you disagree?


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22395221 - 10/17/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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would you support those who defend the KKK, nazis, and every other racist out there on "free speech"? neither would I...



What do you mean by "support"?  Of course I don't support what they stand for, but they have a Constitutional right to free speech.  Would you disagree?




well of course they have the "right" to free speech, but you gotta look at whose endorsing it...

I see libs endorsing and defending this "free speech", if you don't agree with it, why the hell support and endorse it???


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22395273 - 10/17/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course I don't support what they stand for, but they have a Constitutional right to free speech.  Would you disagree?



well of course they have the "right" to free speech, but you gotta look at whose endorsing it...

I see libs endorsing and defending this "free speech", if you don't agree with it, why the hell support and endorse it???



You don't get the concept of free speech, do you?  It's not about your right you say you love god and country.  Everyone has that right in every country of the world.  It's about the right to say controversial things.

I support the right to free speech, whether I agree with the topic or not.

Defending free speech is NOT the same as supporting what's being said, but you obviously don't get that.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22398422 - 10/18/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like Salon has been practicing their free speech on this topic for years. Controversial is an understatement. I think they lean a bit to the left.

Meet pedophiles who mean well

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pedophiles_who_mean_well/

Redefining pedophilia with pedophiles’ help

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/17/pedophilia/

Married to a pedophile


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/30/married_to_a_pedophile/

Our approach to pedophilia isn’t working

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/our_approach_to_pedophilia_isn%C2%B4t_working/

Is my brother a pedophile?

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/12/is_my_brother_a_pedophile/


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22398432 - 10/18/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like Salon has been practicing their free speech on this topic for years. Controversial is an understatement. I think they lean a bit to the left.

Meet pedophiles who mean well

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pedophiles_who_mean_well/

Redefining pedophilia with pedophiles’ help

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/17/pedophilia/

Married to a pedophile


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/30/married_to_a_pedophile/

Our approach to pedophilia isn’t working

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/our_approach_to_pedophilia_isn%C2%B4t_working/

Is my brother a pedophile?

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/12/is_my_brother_a_pedophile/




I've seen some pretty right wing articles from Salon. Salon is shit anyway. It's just for ratings from shock value. Cickbait.

Liberals aren't pro-pedophile Jesus Christ. This thread is a bit over the top. I'm a Liberal and I certainly don't support pedophilia.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22398452 - 10/18/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Salon is full on left and zero right and yes it is shit. Show me righty Salon article please.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22398778 - 10/18/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Salon is full on left and zero right and yes it is shit. Show me righty Salon article please.




I may have been wrong. It appears Salon is a left wing shit journalism machine. So what?

I generally don't read anything from Salon, so I guess I misspoke.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22403101 - 10/19/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like Salon has been practicing their free speech on this topic for years. Controversial is an understatement. I think they lean a bit to the left.

Meet pedophiles who mean well

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pedophiles_who_mean_well/

Redefining pedophilia with pedophiles’ help

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/17/pedophilia/

Married to a pedophile


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/30/married_to_a_pedophile/

Our approach to pedophilia isn’t working

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/our_approach_to_pedophilia_isn%C2%B4t_working/

Is my brother a pedophile?

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/12/is_my_brother_a_pedophile/



Which one of those articles says pedophilia is ok???  The OP was being dishonest.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22403425 - 10/19/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's probably useful to understand how pedophiles think so we can protect children from them. we do the same thing with mass murderers whenever possible. i don't have a problem with that as much as the author's dishonesty. the author does seem to be trying to normalize pedophilia for the way he uses the term "sexual orientation". i wouldn't necessarily say it's salon's agenda, or the liberal agenda, whatever that is, but it is an equivocation on the author's part. it may be fair to loosely label pedophilia a sexual orientation in the sense that the term speaks to an individual's sexual preferences and that it is likely something that cannot be controlled up to a certain point - pedophilic inclinations and thoughts are distinct from pedophilic behavior. but the author seems to use "sexual orientation" in a way that is misleading. pedophilia is a preference that shapes another preference, namely sexual orientation in the strict sense of the term. there is no such thing as an asexual pedophile, but there are asexual heterosexuals or homosexuals. there may be pedophiles that choose to not act on their behavior, but the term "pedophile" is implicitly sexual, so the outrage at the author in this case seems justifiable.

but still, it may be helpful to know what makes pedophiles tick so we can prevent them from molesting children. and that may outweigh the author's fallacy if the papers lead to a better understanding of the psychology of pedophilia, which is why it seems to be an easy leap (for me at least) to give salon the benefit of the doubt. i highly doubt they are trying to advocate for pedophiles in the same way that they have advocated for same sex couples. and even though it seems obvious that we should do everything we can to stop as well as catch pedophiles who act on their behavior, we would also do well to pity them. i feel sorry anyone who ends up this way. and anyone who denies pedophilic impulses should be praised because it's just a terrible situation all around.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22403725 - 10/19/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Which one of those articles says pedophilia is ok???  The OP was being dishonest. 




Which one says it's horrible? I'm not going to bother reading any of them, but from the titles alone, they seem to be be labeling it as ok. Or normalizing it as in the OP.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22403735 - 10/19/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i highly doubt salon endorses pedophilia.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22403773 - 10/19/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, they sure aren't treating it as the horrific act it is, that's for sure. Hence the normalizing claim in the OP


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22403784 - 10/19/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

per my post above, the author may be attempting to normalize pedophilia, but salon seems to just be trying to gain an understanding of it.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22403827 - 10/19/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The author and news outlet are one and the same, and the fact you are defending either, at any level, shows that you support this disgusting act. Stop digging


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22403837 - 10/19/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Did you even read what he wrote?  He sure as hell wasn't defending pedophilia; nor is Salon.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22403868 - 10/19/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The author and news outlet are one and the same, and the fact you are defending either, at any level, shows that you support this disgusting act. Stop digging




for starters, journals like salon publish a lot of authors with a lot of differing, often conflicting views. so do respectable news outlets. for example, the new york times features a lot of work by michael gerson, who was a speech writer for bush II. does that mean the times agrees with everything gerson says? hardly. it doesn't mean they agree with the authors who respond to his editorials either. the point of the news is for them to fairly present you all the angles so you can decide for yourself.

moreover, you should try reading other people's posts so you can effectively contribute to the conversation. in no way do i condone pedophilia.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22403897 - 10/19/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Be sure to let us know, after you read the articles, what their stance is on pedophilia. Sure doesn't look like they're out to demonize the act from reading the titles, and that's as much as I'll read from salon. The last thing I want to do is hang out in a pedophile thread and I only posted for the sake of our children. Seacrest out...


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: Astral Pain] * 2
    #22403919 - 10/19/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you really should learn how to read more carefully and discuss issues respectfully.


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Re: Liberals are trying to "normalize" pedophilia... [Re: millzy]
    #22403941 - 10/19/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you really should learn how to read more carefully and discuss issues respectfully.




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