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xbloodwhipx

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Will the age to *purchase tobacco products be raised to 21
#22315310 - 09/30/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by xbloodwhipx (09/30/15 06:05 PM)
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315316 - 09/30/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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 wouldn't bother me one bit besides rolling papers not being around
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap]
#22315326 - 09/30/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt it will pass within the next three years. For my own sake
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap] 2
#22315335 - 09/30/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will they raise the age of enlistment to 21 then? I find it suspect as fuck that you can receive weapons training and be possibly maimed/killed by an IED at 18 but cigarettes and booze is just "too far."
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315340 - 09/30/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If they raise it to 21 its one step closer to being banned IMO
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315348 - 09/30/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had friends taht have smoked since like 13, 16 I do not give ten shits if some drop out can't smoke ciggerettes on his front lawn lol
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap] 1
#22315355 - 09/30/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tobacco is the poorest excuse for a drug there is. You barely get any psychotropic effect, its insanely addictive, chronically unhealthy for yourself and those around you and one in three lifelong smokers dies because of their habit.
I look back at my 21 year tobacco career and.. I wish it had just been illegal.
I mean, we stopped using Lead(II)acetate as an artificial sweetener. Nobody in their right mind says their freedom is infringed upon that we dont use Lead salts as sweeteners anymore, or radium vaginal douches.
Its the same with commercial tobacco. Shit's got to stop. Let people substitute with cheap mild outdoor cannabis or nicotine vaping.
Tobacco has to stop. Let current smokers smoke free of charge and prevent any nonsmokers from getting into the habit.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Asante]
#22315369 - 09/30/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, but this bill will prevent people already addicted to nicotine who are 18-20 from purchasing it. What the fuck are those people supposed to do? Cold turkey sucks, extremely bad. You can't use e cigs to wean yourself off because this law also affects e cigs.
And I'm fucking sick of people (like in the article) saying "protect the kids". If someones 18-20, they are a fucking adult. They dont need pointless regulations to protect dumbass highschool kids...
Edited by xbloodwhipx (09/30/15 05:43 PM)
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315379 - 09/30/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
xbloodwhipx said: Yes, but this bill will prevent people already addicted to nicotine who are 18-20 from purchasing it. What the fuck are those people supposed to do? Cold turkey sucks, extremely bad. You can't use e cigs to wean yourself off because this law also affect e cigs.
oh my fucking god the ciggerette smokers will have to think about their future!!
oh my fucking god guise! omg!!!
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315381 - 09/30/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm against drug proihibition but tobacco isnt a drug, its a mistake teenagers make that takes years or decades to correct and often ends on a respirator.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap]
#22315383 - 09/30/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Konyap said:
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xbloodwhipx said: Yes, but this bill will prevent people already addicted to nicotine who are 18-20 from purchasing it. What the fuck are those people supposed to do? Cold turkey sucks, extremely bad. You can't use e cigs to wean yourself off because this law also affect e cigs.
oh my fucking god the ciggerette smokers will have to think about their future!!
oh my fucking god guise! omg!!!
It also affects e cigs, guise! something cigarette smokers who are thinking about their future use to quit!
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315390 - 09/30/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We have vapes now, time to put the cigarette away. Snuff? Sure. Snus? Fine. Cig? No.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Asante]
#22315399 - 09/30/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm personally a dipper, not a smoker. the ban affects e cigs and snuff. Two things that are great tools for quitting smoking. I could give a damn if cigarettes are banned, but ffs
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315455 - 09/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoking is about to become a lot cooler.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22315456 - 09/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got drunk when I was 18, it's not impossible
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap]
#22315468 - 09/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not impossible to what? Purchase tobacco? I know, I've done it for years. But being of legal age now, ffs, its nice not to have to drive to several stores to avoid being ID'd when trying to buy a can of fucking dip.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap]
#22315472 - 09/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Teenagers are fucking retarded. If the want to kill themselves with tobacco, or a car, or cheeseburgers that's their fucking business.
No its not. They are minors. They cant drink, shoot, drive or vote for their protection and ours.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#22315486 - 09/30/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It should be raised to 21 in my opinion.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Asante]
#22315493 - 09/30/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Could big tobacco have any say so in whether or not this bill passes?
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Konyap]
#22315542 - 09/30/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was smoking and drinking before the legal age. If people really want to do it they will do it. I just think young people would be safer in a bar at age 18 than at a party in the woods.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: HardTrippin]
#22315548 - 09/30/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Opps sorry, talking about smoking. I've had a little too much to drink, I apologize.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: HardTrippin]
#22315578 - 09/30/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does this bill affect people who are currently 18-20 or people who become 18-20 while the law is in effect if it passes?
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#22315886 - 09/30/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bill effects nothing because no republican is gonna challenge the tobacco industry. Lololol
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: King Klick]
#22315924 - 09/30/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, atleast that makes me feel a little better. I have a headache worrying about this now. I don't want nicotine withdrawals 
It would suck to have a right taken away from me. Thats what people who support this are really supporting, having your rights stripped. "Land of the free" my fucking ass.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: Asante]
#22315960 - 09/30/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey wiccan, aren't you obese? Just seems kind of hypocritical to talk about banning smoking when you are eating yourself to death. Should we ban candy, greasy foods, etc?
Nah,we shouldn't. We should let people kill themselves anyway they want. Freedom.
No offense btw, just trying to prove a point.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316001 - 09/30/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just means less litter on campus and better grades overall
the fucks i give nada
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Re: Will the age to *purchase tobacco products be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316084 - 09/30/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think senators should worry about real problems rather than squabble over stupid shit like this. Drinking age and smoking age have done little to nothing as far as preventing underage folks from partaking.
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Re: Will the age to *purchase tobacco products be raised to 21 [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22316094 - 09/30/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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But they aren't really trying to limit underage people, they are taking the rights of ADULTS away now!
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Re: Will the age to *purchase tobacco products be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316111 - 09/30/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I meant underage as under 18 for tobacco and under 21 for alcohol. My real point was that this shit is a waste of time and more importantly a waste of tax payer dollars while our representatives bicker about it. And, no, they should not be trying to strip us of our rights. They already walk all over the constitution.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316137 - 09/30/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: I'm personally a dipper, not a smoker. the ban affects e cigs and snuff. Two things that are great tools for quitting smoking. I could give a damn if cigarettes are banned, but ffs 
Are e-cigs specifically mentioned in the bill? They are not (currently) regulated or defined as tobacco products.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: badchad]
#22316148 - 09/30/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The juice containing nicotine is according to the article
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316171 - 09/30/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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from the article: "..assuming the Food and Drug Administration formalizes a long-pending deeming regulation and that it isn’t then defeated in court."
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: badchad] 1
#22316174 - 09/30/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the age limit should be 85.
Just to piss smokers off.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: badchad]
#22316181 - 09/30/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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badchad said: from the article: "..assuming the Food and Drug Administration formalizes a long-pending deeming regulation and that it isn’t then defeated in court."
So what exactly is the age limit being raised on? Im confused now, only cigarettes or chewing tobacco also?
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: badchad]
#22316194 - 09/30/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd guess "tobacco products." The current definition includes: cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco and smokeless tobacco. So cigars, e-cigs, and e-juice would be exempt, for now.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: badchad]
#22316219 - 09/30/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well fuck me, looks like im switching to e cigs from dip if this bullshit gets passed.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316274 - 09/30/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should anyway
Vaping is the best way to ingest nicotine BY FAR
But you have to do it right
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22316676 - 09/30/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: Thanks, atleast that makes me feel a little better. I have a headache worrying about this now. I don't want nicotine withdrawals 
It would suck to have a right taken away from me. Thats what people who support this are really supporting, having your rights stripped. "Land of the free" my fucking ass.
Pretty sure you have a friend like 2 years older than you who could go into the store for you.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: my3rdeye]
#22318040 - 10/01/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah but wouldn't it be a pain in the ass to have a friend buy my log of dip once a week when I could previously do it myself?
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22318067 - 10/01/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If this law is passed, i may start just walking in and asking for it. Normally they put it on the counter and ask for my ID. Ill just grab it and put the money down ignoring the request for ID
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22318115 - 10/01/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Suprised your local place even IDs you anymore after buying a few times.
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Re: Will the smoking age be raised to 21 [Re: danielx]
#22318120 - 10/01/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am too. I always go to the grocery store instead of the gas station because its 2 minutes away from me so that may have something to do with it
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