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chon ghee
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Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC
#22315242 - 09/30/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi man,
Before all I have to apologize to you, due to my bad English... I want to use my BONECO 7145 humidifier for growing.

My 45liter chamber would contain 10liter of moist perlite (maybe with a little bit of h2o2). I am going to drill holes in my chamber, however I'll only drill the lid. Could this be enough for FAE? Or what if I don't use lid and the clean 100% humidity falls down onto the cakes? Would it be too intense air exchange? I want to use my humidifier because I hope it would reduce the maintenance time.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: chon ghee]
#22315267 - 09/30/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just make a proper SGFC. Anything you add to a proper SGFC is just a waste of time and money. 
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: chon ghee]
#22315276 - 09/30/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need all the holes for it to work properly. If you added holes in just the lid you wouldn't get fae through the bottom and through the damp perlite which is how you get your humidity. Without the holes the perlite would be useless. You can experiment and make your own fruiting chamber with a humidifier if you'd like but its not going to perform as well as a regular shotgun fruiting chamber with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: chon ghee]
#22315290 - 09/30/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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chon ghee said: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC
No...never...no humidifiers...none...
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chon ghee said: I want to use my BONECO 7145 humidifier for growing.
No.
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chon ghee said: Hi man,
Before all I have to apologize to you, due to my bad English... I want to use my BONECO 7145 humidifier for growing.

My 45liter chamber would contain 10liter of moist perlite (maybe with a little bit of h2o2). I am going to drill holes in my chamber, however I'll only drill the lid. Could this be enough for FAE?
No.
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chon ghee said: Or what if I don't use lid and the clean 100% humidity falls down onto the cakes?
Cakes do not need humidity, they need fresh air....tons of fresh air.
When we mist our cakes the evaporation that takes place will humidify the chamber enough.
Build a proper SGFC with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.
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chon ghee said: Would it be too intense air exchange?
No, not enough....
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chon ghee said: I want to use my humidifier because I hope it would reduce the maintenance time.
So does every other noob with a humidifier, but it just adds more work, and does nothing for your grow.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: PussyFart]
#22315624 - 09/30/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's holes in there because humidity is one of the least important things.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: bodhisatta]
#22315726 - 09/30/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well op, if you must I had decent success with cakes using a mini ultrasonic at one end of a 110 qt tub and several holes on the wall opposite. The fan on the ultrasonic appeared to provide enough fae, as the fruits didnt really show any signs of a lack thereof. It was more of a pain in the butt to maintain then a regular sgfc but the difference in results between the two wasn't huge.
The best way imo is to get a good clean LI, do 10 cakes, after they are 100% cheese grate them into a bowl and soak for 15 min, strain and dump into a clean garbage bag, add enough CVG to fill a 60-70qt tub to desired depth into the bag, shake and mix the crap out of it and empty into your lined tub. Level it out and it will colonize in less than 3 days. add casing layer, patch at 30% and fruit it.
You can go LI --> full colonized cake : 5-6 days recolonizing after spawning to bulk : 2-3 days casing layer and patch : 1-2 days
Seems to go quicker and easier than grain spawn for me anyways, I'm currently comparing yields between flushes ect.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: newrook]
#22316117 - 09/30/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to use an ultrasonic humidifier with cakes. With only two 1/2" holes in my fruiting chamber. I used to have massive flushes with very little maintenance. I would need to fill the humidifier every three days.
I guess humidifiers don't work anymore. There are supposed better ways but I have yet to see them. But this is only one person's opinion. This was grown with a humidifier. There are many more pics of better flushes deep on the shroomery server. Good luck
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: tahoe]
#22316199 - 09/30/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive had many kickass grows using a small plastic lined greenhouse and a humidifier / repti fogger combo. It worked for many edible and psychedelic species, some of which are hard to fruit.
I grew P. zappotecorum in that setup. you can modify the air outlet to fit a decent diameter hose and run it into a chamber. I toped mine with a half of a bleach bottle, siloconed, and piped it with a vacuum hose. This was a super cheap 15$ humidifier , but the fogger helped also.
I dont know if he's still around or not but I respected him as an edible grower who was the first to cultivate certain species well... anyhoo, he used a humidifier piped to a small greenhouse also. Just keep your electrical stuff out of anything you use so it stays dry. Aside from the sgfc idea, to say humidifiers dont work well in mycology is not true. does nothing for your grow? Thats really silly...
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22316213 - 09/30/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oeric McKenna said: to say humidifiers dont work well in mycology is not true.
Don't think anybody said that.....
Greenhouses are different than small bins, but still, with enough substrates, even greenhouses don't need humidifiers....
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22316233 - 09/30/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humidifiers work really well for greenhouses but and this is just my opinion, they are hard to get dialed in right in a smaller less vertical setup. I monkeyed for some time to make a reptile fogger work in a tub setting and while I was ultimately successful, it wasn't an easy road. I had several grows end up soaked before I got it dialed in.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22316323 - 09/30/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its definitely useful for running several different species in close proximity... A trick with the foggers I used to use is placing them on the floor and putting the inlet hose right in the water. the air wafted up just enough fog. I go camping a lot so it was nice coming home to awesomeness instead of mediocrity. Yes theres some work involved but it allows for selective absence sometimes too. I dont think I could've gotten head sized lions mane slabs so consistently and it banged out some sexy psychs too ... Id rather try and fail, and then know, then never know.... Or than take anyones word for it. Always try.
I remember Paul Stamets was trying to figure out if mushrooms could grow in salt water in 3rd world countries. He asks the first mycologist "Can we grow in salt water" The relpy: "of course not" He asks, "Have YOU tried", to which the mycologist replied " There's no need to reiterate what we know.
He asks another. "They will not grow.... EVERYONE knows that!" , and Paul says " well I dont know that." "I am an idiot" "so let me try it then"
& he did. & mushrooms grow in salt water.
This is the good kind of thinking. The kind of thinking, ironically, brought to you by the mushroom...
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22316341 - 09/30/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the reason we (or at least me) push against new people creating space age fruiting chambers is simply because they really don't understand enough about the organism to make smart choices. Can foggers be made to work? Of course. But its far easier to instruct someone in creating a simple passive system that has a far better chance for success. Then once they have a few grows under the belt and have a better idea of how things need to be, then fill the boots and play around. Then they have not only a better chance of succeeding at the space station FC, but they also have some basics to fall back on if things don't work out.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22316365 - 09/30/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another difference is people come every 2-3 days talking about humidifiers in totes. Almost all of them fail. It's a bit different than people who have never tried salt, because the majority of us started with drip trays and humidifiers in small spaces before switching to a passive airflow system. It's just harder to maintain in a smaller area. Forced airflow is good for tents and greenhouses since the area is much bigger than a tote
Edited by Mad Season (09/30/15 09:13 PM)
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Mad Season]
#22317544 - 10/01/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello everyone! All of you are very impressive. I love you guys. You are helpful and kind, this forum is awesome. I am going to take your advices. Ill upload pictures here about my undertaking. Thanks man!
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Mad Season]
#22317566 - 10/01/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said:
Another difference is people come every 2-3 days talking about humidifiers in totes. Almost all of them fail. It's a bit different than people who have never tried salt, because the majority of us started with drip trays and humidifiers in small spaces before switching to a passive airflow system. It's just harder to maintain in a smaller area. Forced airflow is good for tents and greenhouses since the area is much bigger than a tote
The other problem is noobs worrying about humidity, and also the assumption that you need 99%rh.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: bodhisatta]
#22318542 - 10/01/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Mad Season said:
Another difference is people come every 2-3 days talking about humidifiers in totes. Almost all of them fail. It's a bit different than people who have never tried salt, because the majority of us started with drip trays and humidifiers in small spaces before switching to a passive airflow system. It's just harder to maintain in a smaller area. Forced airflow is good for tents and greenhouses since the area is much bigger than a tote
The other problem is noobs worrying about humidity, and also the assumption that you need 99%rh.
Where could they possibly get that idea? I mean, it's not like any of the teks you all tell them to read and follow say that or anything...oh wait, yes they do...
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Sivarted]
#22318579 - 10/01/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Sivarted]
#22318582 - 10/01/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not any written in the last 4 years. Lots of good information has been provided on this subject in the last few years. 99% humidity is only needed in the microclimate at the sub surface. That is easily provided via casing or even just evaporation off of the sub itself. The fruits themselves will do just fine in 50% RH. In fact many people recently have done totally open air grows with great success, regular misting is needed but it just goes to show that super high RH is not needed throughout the chamber. Just in the microclimate at the surface.
I doubt any of my monotubs get higher than 75% RH.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22318686 - 10/01/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just saying... go to the "noob" forum and look at their links. The very first pftek link there (evilmushroom's) says 95-100% humidity. Look at the site cake faq, 4 of the first five questions mention high humidity as a requirement and only one mentions fae.
There's a lot of information on this site, I mean there are fucktons of fucktons of useful bits of info. But there is also *so much* conflicting info it's frightening.
And how is a new person supposed to know what info is "outdated" anyway? This site is far from the first thing I found when I was digging around the internet. The first real complete guide I found was an "outdated" PFTEK guide that talks about fruiting chambers using humidifiers and heat sources and all the stuff that you seem to be flabbergasted that noobs still want to use. My first grow (which is still under way so yes I'm still a clueless noob), was from a kit that was basically a PMP, but it took me months of reading thsee forums to understand what that acronym even meant. And I'm a pretty intelligent person, willing to do a lot of reading about things that interest me. (And this hobby has definitely caught my attention hardcore)
There's a smorgasbord of info here, to be sure, and I for one am grateful that the more experienced among you are willing to share that experience, so please don't view this as an attack, but if you look at this place from a noob's perspective, it really shouldn't be all that difficult to see where we get our fucked up ideas about how to do things.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Sivarted]
#22318782 - 10/01/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just for shit and giggles I watched RR's videos on cakes again, and he spends *way* more time talking about humidity than he does fresh air. So again, I wonder where noobs could possibly be getting the idea that humidity is the most important thing.
Believe me, I understand the frustration with seeing the same ideas being propagated by people who don't know any better. I just don't see the need for bashing them when they do.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Sivarted]
#22318805 - 10/01/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evilmushrooms tek does have that tidbit wrong but you still end up with a SGFC at the end so I consider it a good write-up. Yes there is a ton of info but its easy to filter out bad stuff. Use the search engine. Take note of who's got grows you like and what they did. Look for newer stuff. Don't toss away a tek cause its a little old but, do compare it to other grows to see if it still holds up. Read the comments and you can get a pretty good idea what works and what doesn't.
RRs videos are good but are also are over a decade old.
Worst case you can always ask a question. Usually someone will be able to help. Welcome to the world of illegal mushroom growing. Nothing we do is exactly peer reviewed, no one is going to be able to show you their masters of monotubs degree. But we get by.
No one is bashing anyone. We are grown adults. There is no rule saying hands must be held and sugarcoatings are optional.
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Mad Season]
#22318812 - 10/01/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: none of the recent information says that.
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Mad Season said: Step 1: Use The Search Function (UTSF)

I bet if you clicked all those things, filtered for newer than 2 years, and typed in humidity you'd find everything you'd ever need. It's just most people don't actually look at the search our forums hard enough to filter for the proper things lol
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Re: Humidifier instead of many holes on SGFC [Re: Mad Season]
#22318855 - 10/01/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Understood.
And I'm definitely not bashing either. In fact Pasty, you're directly responsible for this, and I thank you greatly for putting out the info that encouraged me to really dig in:

The square ones suck ass btw, found those first. Haha.
There are a lot of really awesome people on this board posting a lot of really awesome info, so again, please don't misinterpret the tone. 
Sorry for the thread hijack, we now return you to your regularly scheduled noob education.
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