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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315371 - 09/30/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Almost all teas contain high levels of fluoride.
No they don't. The fluoride levels in tea are healthy.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: LobsterSauce]
#22315377 - 09/30/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LobsterSauce said: Tea has lead in it. 
Low quality dust and fannings might. High quality loose tea leaves do not. It's all in who handled it.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Oldgregg]
#22315392 - 09/30/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sun King said: Poor Chinese people drink hot water because tea is expensive.
that's just not true
Yes, it is. They call it "white tea", not to be confused with the least oxidated form of tea also called white tea.
They called it that because it is customary to offer all guests tea, but when they could not afford it they would just boil hot water and serve that to their guests.
The most popular legend of how man learned to drink tea says a Chinese dude was drinking hot water one day when a single tea leaf fell into his drink, and he was like hell yeah this is awesome and the culture of tea drinking began.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315403 - 09/30/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Almost all teas contain high levels of fluoride.
No they don't. The fluoride levels in tea are healthy.
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“Another important source of fluoride ingestion is tea…[T]he fluoride content of tea has been found to range from 0.1 to 4.2 ppm fluoride, with an average of about 3 ppm.” SOURCE: Levy SM, Guha-Chowdhury N. (1999). Total fluoride intake and implications for dietary fluoride supplementation. Journal of Public Health Dentistry 59: 211-23.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315410 - 09/30/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those are healthy levels of fluoride.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315424 - 09/30/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sun King said: Poor Chinese people drink hot water because tea is expensive.
that's just not true
Yes, it is. They call it "white tea", not to be confused with the least oxidated form of tea also called white tea.
They called it that because it is customary to offer all guests tea, but when they could not afford it they would just boil hot water and serve that to their guests.
The most popular legend of how man learned to drink tea says a Chinese dude was drinking hot water one day when a single tea leaf fell into his drink, and he was like hell yeah this is awesome and the culture of tea drinking began.
Well as someone living in China I have never heard of anyone drinking hot water because they are too poor for tea. They drink it because they believe it is healthier than drinking cold water, cold water messes up the balance in the body or something like that.
Also they have to boil tap water to make it safe to drink anyway
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315447 - 09/30/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Those are healthy levels of fluoride.
If you drink a liter of tea at the average 3 ppm you are ingesting the equivalent of 5mg sodium fluoride, thats three days worth of fluoridated toothpaste, ingested not spat out.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Oldgregg]
#22315450 - 09/30/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true too. They drink hot water with every meal for better digestion. When they don't have tea, they drink hot water instead. Many Chinese villagers can't afford tea, because it's too expensive to import into their village. Makes sense, no?
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315458 - 09/30/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The father of my brothers Chinese wife carries a thermos with hot water around. Drinking hot water is a thing in China, its not about tea.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315471 - 09/30/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Those are healthy levels of fluoride.
If you drink a liter of tea at the average 3 ppm you are ingesting the equivalent of 5mg sodium fluoride, thats three days worth of fluoridated toothpaste, ingested not spat out.
Scare tactics. It would take drinking a gallon or two of tea every day for a very long period of time to feel any negative effects at 6ppm of fluoride.
It's also worth noting it's the dust and fannings and extracts that contain higher fluoride contents. The fluoride content of whole leaves is a lot lower.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315492 - 09/30/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: The father of my brothers Chinese wife carries a thermos with hot water around. Drinking hot water is a thing in China, its not about tea.
They would drink both if they could afford it in the rural villages, but they can't. Have you even been to China?
I have. A large number of children grow up without their parents because they can't afford to support them in the village, so they leave them to work in the city while they stay behind to get an education.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315509 - 09/30/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you drink tea, tea is one of the main sources of fluoride in your diet.
People go to lengths to avoid fluoride intake.
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Things are definitely getting interesting now as fluoride is suddenly getting some well-deserved attention. For 50 years, US government and health agencies have refused to engage in a dialogue about fluoride, let alone reevaluate its position on the purported health benefits of fluoride.
So the fact that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has announced plans to lower the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water by nearly 50 percent in some areas of the country is no small victory.
The new recommended level of fluoride in drinking water will be reduced to 0.7 mg/L, from a previously recommended range of between 0.7 to 1.2 mg/L. For many communities around the US, this new level means a significant reduction in exposure to this hazardous neurotoxin.
But this good news needs to be tempered with the fact that 0.7 mg/L (or 0.7 parts-per million) is still too high. According to the Fluoride Action Network:
The DHHS is making this recommendation on the basis that the levels of dental fluorosis is skyrocketing, a clear sign of fluoride overexposure. A recent government report estimated that 41 percent of adolescents aged 12-15 have dental fluorosis (Beltrán-Aguilar et al.). While this is serious enough, the government has not investigated if these adolescents have suffered any other effects from overexposure to fluoride, nor have they factored in any of the other serious effects associated with fluoride over-exposure.
For example, an infant who receives formula reconstituted with fluoridated tap water at this new level (0.7 ppm), will receive approximately 175 times more fluoride than a breast-fed infant. Formula-fed infants are not being protected with this proposed new level and CDC, EPA and ADA must clearly inform parents, caregivers, and health providers that infant formula should only be reconstituted with non-fluoridated water.
Do you read that? Tea contains 3mg/liter. Fluoridated drinking water contained 1.2mg/liter and that got lowered because it was too high, there were toxic effects. 0.7mg/liter is arguably still too high.
And you say that only 2 gallons a day of 6mg/liter is a problem. Bullshit tactics.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315547 - 09/30/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does it really matter that much? I fucking love tea and would never stop drinking it because of fluoride fear mongering. Im all about looking after the body but at some point you've just gotta bite the bullet to keep doing what you love otherwise soon enough you won't be able to eat lettuce because of the potential cancerous effects of it being grown in dirt. Knowmsayin?
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: nuds]
#22315561 - 09/30/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nuds said: Does it really matter that much? I fucking love tea and would never stop drinking it because of fluoride fear mongering. Im all about looking after the body but at some point you've just gotta bite the bullet to keep doing what you love otherwise soon enough you won't be able to eat lettuce because of the potential cancerous effects of it being grown in dirt. Knowmsayin?
Thats a head in the sand tactic.
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“Another important source of fluoride ingestion is tea…[T]he fluoride content of tea has been found to range from 0.1 to 4.2 ppm fluoride, with an average of about 3 ppm.” SOURCE: Levy SM, Guha-Chowdhury N. (1999). Total fluoride intake and implications for dietary fluoride supplementation. Journal of Public Health Dentistry 59: 211-23.
Find the kinds that have less than 0.5ppm and you're in the clear.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315577 - 09/30/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If your tea contains 3mg/liter (which there are many variables to put into consideration to estimating fluoride content), then according to the US Department of Agriculture, you could drink a little over 3 liters a day without any adverse effects. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Tables/estimated_average_requirements.pdf
One liter is quite a bit of tea to be drinking in one day. That would be nearly 4 1/2 cups of tea everyday. According to the USDA, I could drink more than 10 cups of tea in a day if it had 3mg/liter and have no adverse effects. The average person in Ireland drinks 3 cups of tea a day, the world's highest average.
So..yeah.. scare tactics.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315596 - 09/30/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't agree, tea has been ingested across many cultures for a long time now, and those cultures and their people managed to get along just fine (and I'm sure live healthy and prosperous lives) all the while drinking tea. So ill take my chances with my 1 or 2 cups a day and report back in 60 years time to laugh about the fact that I could enjoy tea the entire time and still be a healthy individual.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: nuds]
#22315622 - 09/30/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nuds said: I don't agree, tea has been ingested across many cultures for a long time now, and those cultures and their people managed to get along just fine (and I'm sure live healthy and prosperous lives) all the while drinking tea. So ill take my chances with my 1 or 2 cups a day and report back in 60 years time to laugh about the fact that I could enjoy tea the entire time and still be a healthy individual.
I had an entire wall with about 50 kinds of tea - enough that people joked I could open a shop. A friend & I decided we would try them all one night. We drank about half of them (~25ish) in 4 fl oz gaiwans, and the only adverse effect we had was the constant need to piss.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: nuds]
#22315632 - 09/30/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T then why was the fluoridated drinking water level lowered? Because the USDA is flat out wrong and lower levels cause fluorosis in significant parts of the population.
Nuds, in other words you don't want to look for what the quality tea is but instead just truck on and see what happens? Quality tea has more acceptable levels, some teas had 40x less than others in that study. Instead of lifelong exposure to high fluoride, how about finding out which teas have low fluoride?
If its something enjoy, wouldnt you want a quality product? Like D.M.T said, higher fluoride content is correlated to lower quality.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: Asante]
#22315721 - 09/30/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Presumably they lowered it because of associated teeth problems in young children. It would seem their bone development hasn't been affected, just tooth. Children's teeth can't handle so much fluoride or caffeine, so it isn't advisable to give them much tea anyway, but water is literally required for survival.
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Re: Top 7 reasons to never drink Tea again [Re: D.M.T]
#22315736 - 09/30/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice try. The mottling of enamel is fluorosis.
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