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Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures]
    #22314193 - 09/30/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello People,

I just signed up for shroomery and this is my first post. I hope I don't violate rules.
I just did my first harvest ever and I'm really excited.
I'm in the Netherlands and because it's very easy for me and simply a first try, I ordered a grow kit. I am aware that those are not very popular but please understand that I took the easy way before committing more to growing mushrooms.

That said I will hope for some help to figure out if my psilocybe cubensis ecuador are good to consume. I use a 100% mycelium kit.
About a day before I harvested I discovered a dark spot in the middle of my cake and also something that looked like white mold, but can easily be something else (I guess). My second flush is now growing and I think the mushrooms look fine but I want to be sure.

I made an album with quite some pictures on imgur


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: TheSameNow]
    #22316044 - 09/30/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It looks fine to me :shrug:

I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to be looking for, it all looks normal at a glance.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: micro]
    #22318915 - 10/01/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Haha alright.. well I wasn't sure what the dark spot on the cake is. I don't have much of a clue and wanted to be really safe. Thank you very much! :smile:


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: TheSameNow]
    #22322778 - 10/02/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'd stay away from the tray. It looks like it has fusarium. Quite dangerous.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22324488 - 10/02/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're making fun of me, right? Riiiiight?


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    #22324702 - 10/02/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wish. Myc doesn't turn pink man. But fusarium does. And fusarium is quite high in the mycotoxin list


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22324878 - 10/02/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Those are pictures of what the cake looks like now and the harvest of the second flush. What do you think?

http://imgur.com/a/HSMjb


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: TheSameNow]
    #22325018 - 10/02/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What I thought before. Looks contaminated :/


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22326384 - 10/02/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't eat it, bro. Don't risk your health if there's a chance it's contaminated.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: jenocide]
    #22331136 - 10/04/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

oh wow

dunno how i missed that one pic the first time around, i saw all the others

i wouldn't worry too much about it being harmful unless you are immunocompromised

mold sickness doesn't occur in people with healthy immune systems

some people have allergies but you would probably know that by now

did those mushrooms pop up after the dark spot?


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: micro]
    #22331386 - 10/04/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys,

I took the mushrooms yesterday with a friend and it was fine :smile:
Thank you for your answers!
I do have a mold allergy and my eyes really itch today and during the trip and me and my friend both had an uncomfortable feeling in our throat and stomachs. I was cold sweating. Breathing felt a little more difficult too.

It was fine though and I will consume the rest as well.
The second flush came up after the dark spot appeared. That's what we consumed.

Should I throw away the kit now? Is the mold going to contaminate the shrooms every more over time?


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: TheSameNow]
    #22331610 - 10/04/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What does it look like now? Any pics?


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22331677 - 10/04/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is what it looks like now: http://imgur.com/a/m7cgG

The first three pictures are from yesterday and the rest I just took a minute ago.

Oh and one more thing that may or may not be relevant: I have a very mild headache since I woke up this morning.

Neither of us has diarrhea or something similar or feels sick to the stomach now though.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: TheSameNow]
    #22331698 - 10/04/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks okay, no green anywhere, which is a great sign.

That dark spot in the middle is from a spore drop. Nothing to worry about.

Get ready for the second flush!! :super:

edit: It is normal to have a slight headache after a shroom trip. Just eat well and get some exercise!


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22331885 - 10/04/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I said fusarium, which is a pink/purple mold. It won't turn green.

He said he noticed it a day before harvest. I also noticed some of the caps in the harvest have opened, while some haven't. He hasn't shown a pic before harvest, so I have no idea if it came from a cap that opened up right on top of the surface, or if it is indeed mold. The thick white all around it tho isn't a good sign, and it's doing what fusarium always does. Colonizes 50-75% and then sporulates
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Fusarium
Sources: Soil, Plants, Unsterilized Grain, Humidifiers
This mold has a white mycelium very similar to mushroom mycelium and produces bright colors commonly purple, pink, orange, and yellow. Color change commonly occurs after 3 weeks of growth and may not be seen on short-lived agar cultures. Fusarium may inhibit mushroom growth causing mushrooms to remain small with tiny caps and a brown discoloration inside the stem. This can occur even when the mold itself is not visible.

Fusarium contamination is most commonly seen in PF jars as a result of contaminated syringes. The mold looks like mushroom mycelium and grows at a similar speed. After a couple weeks, the jar being about 1/2 - 3/4 colonized the purplish color develops. The spores are generally not airborne but can stick to airborne dust and water droplets.






http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=255&Number=17165834&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#17165834
If op knew the spores fell, or if there was a cap over it, sure definitely would be fine. If they are brown inside the stems tho, they're definitely a toss and a half. Besides anything suspected of fusarium gets tossed ASAP. It's not worth the risk:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377840199000590

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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22331926 - 10/04/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:themoreyouknow: OP that's exactly why you shouldn't purchase grow kits, they're almost always harboring some type of contam.


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    #22332021 - 10/04/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well said :thumbup: it's a result of bad spawn. Something op has no control over. Doesn't help he also had it in a bag restricting fae. Go grow kits! They once again make me :facepalm:


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22333044 - 10/04/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Mad Season said:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377840199000590




Unless the op is a pig, poultry, cattle or a sheep that doesn't really apply in this case...

Mould sickness shouldn't affect healthy people with healthy immune systems.

The allergies could have caused respiratory problems but that's almost certainly from spores.

edit: google "farmer's lung"


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: micro]
    #22333175 - 10/04/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah definitely. Not really any problems with a healthy immune system. Unfortunately it's more common than you'd think. Contam related illness in this hobby. Really goes to show you gotta respect those contams. I've seen 1 person complain about fungal pneumonia in the last 6 months out of how many people frequenting this site... so it's very uncommon. Still what we preach, which is toss when contaminated.. no one should be getting any illnesses.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22337518 - 10/05/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mad Season said:
I said fusarium, which is a pink/purple mold. It won't turn green.

He said he noticed it a day before harvest. I also noticed some of the caps in the harvest have opened, while some haven't. He hasn't shown a pic before harvest, so I have no idea if it came from a cap that opened up right on top of the surface, or if it is indeed mold. The thick white all around it tho isn't a good sign, and it's doing what fusarium always does. Colonizes 50-75% and then sporulates




Mad Season: I did post some pictures from before the harvest (sorry, there are many unnecessary ones in between). Especially in this picture you can see that the dark spot is right below the biggest mushroom. Other people (on Reddit) also said that it's most likely spores.

I also split some of the mushrooms lengthwise and the stems are white inside.
I think the fact that neither me or my friend had some sort of diarrhea or something is surely a good sign too?
I really appreciate your input as an expert and you not wanting me to take any risk, but by the information I have so far is seems to me, as a layman, that most of the evidence speaks against some sort of contamination?


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    #22337527 - 10/05/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it definitely seems like spores :smile:. It's just the thick solid white in the middle really throws it off lol. Also I never saw that pic. Not sure why :frown:. Anyways glad it's all white and everything looks good. Just looking out for your safety. :thumbup:

P.S. if it is just thick myc, it looks really dry. Keep it glistening with no pooling water. Mist directly to achieve this :smile:


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22341277 - 10/06/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mad Season said:
Yeah definitely. Not really any problems with a healthy immune system. Unfortunately it's more common than you'd think. Contam related illness in this hobby. Really goes to show you gotta respect those contams. I've seen 1 person complain about fungal pneumonia in the last 6 months out of how many people frequenting this site... so it's very uncommon. Still what we preach, which is toss when contaminated.. no one should be getting any illnesses.




relevant:

Identification of the allergen Psi c 2 from the basidiomycete Psilocybe cubensis as a fungal cyclophilin.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7542081

Prevalence of basidiomycete allergy in the USA and Europe and its relationship to allergic respiratory symptoms.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8074266

I did not know this:

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Psilocybe cubensis was the most potent allergen source in both the USA (12.3% reacted) and Europe (16.0%).




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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22344178 - 10/07/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks a lot for everything! :smile:
I always misted the inside of the bag in which the cake sits in because the instructions said to not directly spray water on the cake. The air within the bag is very humid and there is a small puddle below the box within the bag that evaporates due to my self-made (really proud :grin:) heating platform. Do you think I should still water it directly?


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    #22344191 - 10/07/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is very good to know and helpful information! Thank you! I guess that explains my quite strong allergic reactions. Me and my friend did some of my asthma spray during the trip. It helped to alleviate the symptoms quite significantly. Can recommend.:thumbup:


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    #22344315 - 10/07/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Thanks a lot for everything! :smile:
I always misted the inside of the bag in which the cake sits in because the instructions said to not directly spray water on the cake. The air within the bag is very humid and there is a small puddle below the box within the bag that evaporates due to my self-made (really proud :grin:) heating platform. Do you think I should still water it directly?



If the surface isn't glistening, mist it directly. Don't listen to the dumb kit people... It doesn't really matter if the air is humid. It can be 99% humid, without the surface of the mycelium being hydrated, it won't perform and you'll see side pins. Because thanks to the walls, you have high surface humidity/hydration on the sides. Keep it glistening and it will be happy.


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Re: Dark spot on Cake. Mold-ish looking stuff. First grow. [Pictures] [Re: Mad Season]
    #22353206 - 10/09/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you! I already followed your advice without reading your last post haha.
I just harvested my 3rd flush and it was kind of disappointing. Only 8 mushrooms grew. There were about 90 (counting the really small ones) in the 1st flush.
Next time I might try pf tek or so. It's the last time I used a kit.

One more thing: I thought about "planting" the used kit in some place that seems fit for growing mushrooms. Do you think it has any chance of working out?
I also thought about even spreading mushrooms in an area that might be fitting.
Is it possible to "plant" mushrooms outside somehow?
If yes, then probably not in this time of the year, during fall?


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