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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322064 - 10/02/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Christianity is currently not trying its damndest to install Dominionism, which is the Christian equivalent to Sharia Law. Any religion that has countries based around it (in fact practically an entire geographical region) is shittier than the religion who doesn't. I would say Saudi Arabia is an objectively worse country than any western one.



sure it is. We use Christianity as a tool to win over swing voters so corrupt politicans can be elected into office. Taking advantage of someomes faith to gain their vote. In god we trust. Its on our dollar. In our Constitution.
We are based around Christianity. Making our nation just as fucked as islamic ones. Using your logic.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322068 - 10/02/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Objectively, you are more free in western countries than most middle eastern countries. Are you telling me America is less free than a country that stones people, treats women like objects, and have no freedom of religion. If you think America is as bad a place to live as Saudi Arabia you are delusional.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322072 - 10/02/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Objectively, you are more free in western countries than most middle eastern countries. Are you telling me America is less free than a country that stones people, treats women like objects, and have no freedom of religion. If you think America is as bad a place to live as Saudi Arabia you are delusional.



Most of that is highly over dramatized.  There are only a few nations, out of the islamic nations that still use those rules of law.
You cant simply group all of Islam into your way of thinking.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322073 - 10/02/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You do agree a Western Democratic Republic is superior to any country imposing Sharia Law, though?


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322080 - 10/02/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What do you mean democratic?  Because thats not what we are any longer.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322081 - 10/02/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, I'll make the question simpler for you:
Do you think most western countries are better than any country imposing Sharia law?


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322090 - 10/02/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Without a doubt.
But realize only 8 countries practice what you speak. Out of 33+ countries.
And if your a citizen in one of those 8, it doesnt mean you agree. It just means, you have to follow them.

So Muslims are not to blame. Its the power of governments.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322091 - 10/02/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay, I'll make the question simpler for you:
Do you think most western countries are better than any country imposing Sharia law?




Yes.
Do you think most Sharia countries are better than any country imposing tribal law?


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322094 - 10/02/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Muslims are not to blame, it is Islam/the Quran. Just like I don't blame Christians for the shitty shit they do, I blame the bible. If these holy books didn't say all the shitty shit they say then you wouldn't have people trying to make it law in the first place. It also only takes a real small violent minority to get the support of those internally extreme.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22322098 - 10/02/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay, I'll make the question simpler for you:
Do you think most western countries are better than any country imposing Sharia law?




Yes.
Do you think most Sharia countries are better than any country imposing tribal law?




I'll take a corrupt Democratic Republic over either. However, tribalism, which I take to mean a system implemented within a small community I have no issue with. Tribes are in a lot of ways nothing more than gated communities, and if you don't like the tribe you can leave. Tribalism just can't work with a population of 300 million.

A corrupt Democratic republic I think is still the best form of government compared to everything we have seen and tried throughout human history. All systems are failures, but democracy is the most successful failure.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322100 - 10/02/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'll take a corrupt Democratic Republic over either. However, tribalism, which I take to mean a system implemented within a small community I have no issue with. Tribes are in a lot of ways nothing more than gated communities, and if you don't like the tribe you can leave. Tribalism just can't work with a population of 300 million.

A corrupt Democratic republic I think is still the best form of government compared to everything we have seen and tried throughout human history. All systems are failures, but democracy is the most successful failure.




Don't get me wrong, I'd take a corrupt Republic over either as well.
But in those countries, tribalism does not mean a system implemented in a small community, it means the laws of a small community imposed on the entire nation.
In the middle east, the reason Sharia law remains populair is not just because of the Islamic faith, but because they see what happens when tribal law is imposed. You want to talk about barbarism?
Sharia is enlightened compared to tribalist laws.

To understand a people you must understand their environment. Things are not as black and white as some people think.
When your kids get kidnapped for sodomy, and then returned by a Taliban unit who informs you the kidnappers have been crucified, how would you feel about that?
This is a reality in many places in the east.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322101 - 10/02/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Muslims are not to blame, it is Islam/the Quran. Just like I don't blame Christians for the shitty shit they do, I blame the bible. If these holy books didn't say all the shitty shit they say then you wouldn't have people trying to make it law in the first place. It also only takes a real small violent minority to get the support of those internally extreme.



It is NOT Islam/or Quran. Did you even ever stufy history, or  pay attention?

In the old testament of THE BIBLE, it says we shall stone the women who get raped. STONE THIS STONE THAT. Its just as bad. The only difference is, THE GOVERNMENT chooses to enact on the old way of the Quran. The Holy Bible is just as gulity. Slaves, stonings, burning at the stake.

You are wrong sir.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322102 - 10/02/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whyyy:


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322104 - 10/02/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Muslims are not to blame, it is Islam/the Quran. Just like I don't blame Christians for the shitty shit they do, I blame the bible. If these holy books didn't say all the shitty shit they say then you wouldn't have people trying to make it law in the first place. It also only takes a real small violent minority to get the support of those internally extreme.



It is NOT Islam/or Quran. Did you even ever stufy history, or  pay attention?

In the old testament of THE BIBLE, it says we shall stone the women who get raped. STONE THIS STONE THAT. Its just as bad. The only difference is, THE GOVERNMENT chooses to enact on the old way of the Quran. The Holy Bible is just as gulity. Slaves, stonings, burning at the stake.

You are wrong sir.




I know the book is just as bad, but the difference is because of laws and military force any one trying to make the Holy Bible law will be either shot and killed, locked up as a terrorist, or since most western countires are largely agnostic, shunned. There is no threat of violence towards those that take the Quran literally. It takes either a government or a war to neuter religion. I think Islam needs to be neutered in the same way Xtianity was. Currently, Islam is objectively more guilty than Christianity. I think RELIGION is shitty however I remained unconvinced Christianity is CURRENTLY as shitty as Islam.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322110 - 10/02/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think people should be left to worru about their own territory.  Not others'. Leave them be. They had a way of coexisting before we pissed them off in the gulf war.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322112 - 10/02/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

At one point, taking care of the Earth might mean telling other countries to play by the rules or face consequences. No man is an Island, and no continent is anymore, either.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322119 - 10/02/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wait. Taking care of the earth? Who gave themselves that duty? Because idk whay fantasy world you're in but nobody takes care of the world.

America is the destroyer of nations.
Breeder to terror.
Predecessor to Nazi Germany.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322124 - 10/02/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No. You need to study history and pay attention more. You just are Anti-American. For every one thing America does that is fucked up, you can say the same about any other country, period. All countries have blood on their hands. In no way is America like the British Empire or Nazi Germany. I'm an American living in Germany, and I can say that as far as free speech is concerned, America still trumps Europe for free speech.

America, as far as countries go, are among the top in the world.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22322126 - 10/02/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its true.
Obama legalized propaganda,  which was banned for a reason after WWII
We integrated thousands of the smartest Nazis into the american government with operation paper clip.
We hold a global regime to destroy anyone who doesnt agree with us. Causeing nations to question our stability.
We have the worlds worst drug policy aside from communists.
The worlds largest prison system. Which is just free slave labor.
Freedom of speech might not even be the best policy. For what about whistle blowers? We lock them up for exposing war crimes Americans caused. Thats not freedom of speech.
Making it soon to be illegal to be homeless, when we have enough homes to house all of them, and then some extra homes..

Im not anti American.
Im just not stupid.

There are better places to be. And Germany isnt one of them.
Legalized pedophilia, sick as fuck.


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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22322129 - 10/02/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its true.
Obama legalized propaganda,  which was banned for a reason after WWII
We integrated thousands of the smartest Nazis into the american government with operation paper clip.
We hold a global regime to destroy anyone who doesnt agree with us. Causeing nations to question our stability.
We have the worlds worst drug policy aside from communists.
The worlds largest prison system. Which is just free slave labor.
Freedom of speech might not even be the best policy. For what about whistle blowers? We lock them up for exposing war crimes Americans caused. Thats not freedom of speech.
Making it soon to be illegal to be homeless, when we have enough homes to house all of them, and then some extra homes..

Im not anti American.
Im just not stupid.

There are better places to be. And Germany isnt one of them.
Legalized pedophilia, sick as fuck.




Also, you seem to have this idea that when I say better, I mean perfect. You are treating me as if I am naive, as if I don't realize there are injustices. America is a better country than most. BETTER is my hypothesis. NOT PERFECT.
Asia has WAY worse drug policies on the federal level than America. All you did was list a bunch of bad shit, which can be said about any nation. So far, I went into this thread with the Hypothesis that America is a good country, even great compared to a lot of others. So far, you have done a bad job at proving it is a shitty country. If you hate it so much, why haven't you left? Isn't life still so fucking awesome there, it is worth staying?

Germany does NOT have legalized pedophelia. They tried to make it legal in the 80's, but so did the UK and Canada and America.


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