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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Patlal]
#22318144 - 10/01/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here we are, already starting shit with Russia lol
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22318502 - 10/01/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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> Putin fucking lied about fighting ISIS. His first act was to bomb somebody not ISIS who was oppposing Assad. I repeat, not ISIS.
You are revealing your cluelessness again. There are no moderate rebels, that's the lie your boy obumble has been peddling and that you apparently swallowed. They are all al quaida or isis and will install an Islamic state soon as assad falls.
>The idiot Obama should never have evn opened his piehole just like he never should have deposed Qqaddafi. The man is a foreign policy idiot and his sec states have been equally incompetent.
We already knew that.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22319140 - 10/01/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: > Putin fucking lied about fighting ISIS. His first act was to bomb somebody not ISIS who was oppposing Assad. I repeat, not ISIS.
You are revealing your cluelessness again. There are no moderate rebels, that's the lie your boy obumble has been peddling and that you apparently swallowed. They are all al quaida or isis and will install an Islamic state soon as assad falls.
>The idiot Obama should never have evn opened his piehole just like he never should have deposed Qqaddafi. The man is a foreign policy idiot and his sec states have been equally incompetent.
We already knew that.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22319524 - 10/01/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: > Putin fucking lied about fighting ISIS. His first act was to bomb somebody not ISIS who was oppposing Assad. I repeat, not ISIS.
You are revealing your cluelessness again. There are no moderate rebels, that's the lie your boy obumble has been peddling and that you apparently swallowed. They are all al quaida or isis and will install an Islamic state soon as assad falls.
>The idiot Obama should never have evn opened his piehole just like he never should have deposed Qqaddafi. The man is a foreign policy idiot and his sec states have been equally incompetent.
We already knew that.
Kerry and Obama say there is. I have said repeatedly that there is only scum there and we should have nothing to do with it.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22319600 - 10/01/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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>Kerry and Obama say there is
Now you are shilling for obumble and lurch? Did you get a new sponsor?
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: deucedbi9]
#22319672 - 10/01/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We should be backing Assad untill these shitheads are destroyed, and then, look to diplomacy to get Assad to step down.
i agree with this. keep the established regime that has control and then try to resolve the rest of it diplomatically if it were possible to do so.
i mean looking at what happened in iraq with the removal of saddam, it just destabilized the country and created civil war between the sunni and shia. then iraq's new shia president maliki just started marginalising the sunni and made things worse. that was a major lack of foresight to think democracy would work in a nation as divided and secular as iraq.
i don't know if i understand correctly whats happened in syria, with assad, rebels, ISIS, but they seemed to be trying to do the same thing, removing a regime and gambling that the replacement would be any better.
and it seems that ISIS mixes within the general population, so civillians will inevitably be caught in the cross fire. and it seems like the only way to really combat them is to do what america did in iraq and just occupy the cities with ground forces and clear out or eliminate what they can.
it'll be interesting to see how or if america and russia work together to fight ISIS, given that america were trying to remove assad, and russia are looking to support assad.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22319691 - 10/01/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >Kerry and Obama say there is
Now you are shilling for obumble and lurch? Did you get a new sponsor?
I'm not shilling. I have said repeatedly that everybody there is scum. But that isn't what Kerry and Obama said and Putin said he was going to attack ISIS. He didn't. He attacked people Kerry and Obama like. I don't like any of them.
Putin is going to attack anybody opposed to Assad, his puppet. He is not going to limit himself to ISIS.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Soulidarity]
#22319701 - 10/01/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We should be backing Assad untill these shitheads are destroyed, and then, look to diplomacy to get Assad to step down.
i agree with this. keep the established regime that has control and then try to resolve the rest of it diplomatically if it were possible to do so.
i mean looking at what happened in iraq with the removal of saddam, it just destabilized the country and created civil war between the sunni and shia. then iraq's new shia president maliki just started marginalising the sunni and made things worse. that was a major lack of foresight to think democracy would work in a nation as divided and secular as iraq.
i don't know if i understand correctly whats happened in syria, with assad, rebels, ISIS, but they seemed to be trying to do the same thing, removing a regime and gambling that the replacement would be any better.
and it seems that ISIS mixes within the general population, so civillians will inevitably be caught in the cross fire. and it seems like the only way to really combat them is to do what america did in iraq and just occupy the cities with ground forces and clear out or eliminate what they can.
it'll be interesting to see how or if america and russia work together to fight ISIS, given that america were trying to remove assad, and russia are looking to support assad.
The country was not destabilized until Obama withdrew the troops. He created a vacuum that ISIS filled with his feckless irresolution.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22319724 - 10/01/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If obumble had not invaded there would be no vacuum. Now zap wants us to stay in Iraq forever and solve their problems.
>Putin said he was going to attack ISIS. He didn't. He attacked people Kerry and Obama like
How do you know which group they were with? You have no clue about that either, do you? You and obumble have some things in common.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Patlal]
#22319733 - 10/01/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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at least someone is trying
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22319753 - 10/01/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: If obumble had not invaded there would be no vacuum. Now zap wants us to stay in Iraq forever and solve their problems.
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>Putin said he was going to attack ISIS. He didn't. He attacked people Kerry and Obama like
How do you know which group they were with? You have no clue about that either, do you? You and obumble have some things in common.
Because the attack was not in ISIS controlled area. Are you really that uninformed?
I find it rather intriguing that you support so many totalitarians. Islamic whackjobs and Putin. All thugs and yet you seem to love them. Hmm.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Patlal]
#22319760 - 10/01/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The country was not destabilized until Obama withdrew the troops. He created a vacuum that ISIS filled with his feckless irresolution.
True that. That said I blame the popular opinion at the time. Most people wanted an end to the war regardless of how it would affect the outcome. A lot of people voted for Obama for that very reason.
It's a shame really when I think of how many troops got killed not to mention civilians... All those lives lost for what? So we could take down Saddam's regime?
The war was over. The presence of US troops even if they weren't doing shit was stabilizing. We still have troops in Europe. Their mere presence is a deterrent to shitbags
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22319802 - 10/01/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The country was not destabilized until Obama withdrew the troops. He created a vacuum that ISIS filled with his feckless irresolution.
eventually they had to withdraw, otherwise it would have just continued the american occupation indefinitely and seems like syria will probably be a repeat with a russian occupation.
my understanding of the creation of ISIS was that when maliki took over he somehow escalated the conflict between the sunnis and shias, and the remnants of saddams old regime , (the ba'athist regime??) were linked with the iraqi sunnis who then moved to gain influence with syrian sunnis and thats where ISIS grew from. but i'm not sure if that is correct or not??
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22319813 - 10/01/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find it rather intriguing that you support so many totalitarians. Islamic whackjobs and Putin. All thugs and yet you seem to love them. Hmm.
in relation to this, it seems like those parts of the world require more dictator type of governments to keep everything under control as saddam did. clearly democracy doesn't work.
what other solutions are there besides permanent occupation?
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Soulidarity]
#22319852 - 10/01/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was working until we stopped supporting it. I repeat, we still have troops in Japan and Europe. It is not an accident.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22319889 - 10/01/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i had no idea of any troops in europe of japan, but i'd assume that those are also not hostile situations the same way iraq/syria is.
it seems like the best scenario would be to support a regime that can get the nation under control again, and then try to keep them in line diplomatically. which is what russia seems to be trying to do by supporting the assad regime.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Soulidarity]
#22319968 - 10/01/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Assad is scum. They are all scum
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Patlal]
#22320006 - 10/01/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: Patlal]
#22320082 - 10/01/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Assad is scum. They are all scum
Know what you sound like?


That is what they are. Pretty much all of them. I do not know why Obama decided to get invoved.
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Re: So Putin to take the lead in the Middle East to try and fix the US fuck up. [Re: zappaisgod]
#22320153 - 10/01/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zap wants us to be the world's peacekeeper and keep troops everywhere. I have finally found someone more idiotic than obumble.
>the attack was not in ISIS controlled area
How do you know that? All you know is what you read or see on the media. You just want more arabs killed, you don't care how it happens.
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