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Tom450
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What substrate (NO coir)
#22313805 - 09/30/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys, i want to prepare the substrate for my future monotub and ratio with spawn. The grain that i will use is wheat because i live in Argentina and dont find rye. Here is hard to find coco coir and is very expensive (i dont know the reason). Like i saw many of you use coir for the substrate, i searched in the forum and all teks contain coir.. What other good alternatives i have without coir?
Maybe horse manure? Verm? And what proportions of grain and substrate i use? I need this informartion to know how many jars of grain i will need for my two 44 quart monotubs..
Thanks!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#22313825 - 09/30/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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use horse manure, follow the TEK, print it off if you have to. the ratios will be in there but you should always make sure your own substrate is at field capacity, rely on the measurements you're given for approximate places to start. your own ingredients may vary from the one used in the guide you're following
I would use frankhorrigans monotubs for beginners if I were you
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: bodhisatta]
#22315694 - 09/30/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: use horse manure, follow the TEK, print it off if you have to. the ratios will be in there but you should always make sure your own substrate is at field capacity, rely on the measurements you're given for approximate places to start. your own ingredients may vary from the one used in the guide you're following
I would use frankhorrigans monotubs for beginners if I were you
I have already read the TEK of frankhorrigans, but he uses COIR like most people!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#22316100 - 09/30/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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10-20% Vermiculite by volume and 5% gypsum if you have it. Mind you in his video, "Let's Grow Mushrooms" RogerRabbit states that the vermiculite is optional. So you can use straight horse manure if that is all you have. You can learn about this by purchasing this video: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/ The video is an excellent resource and I am sure that RR would really be able to use the money from the purchase. Show him some love and purchase the digital download for $10. It's worth every dollar of it.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#22316286 - 09/30/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a poo tek. Use 50% Hpoo and 50% vermiculite. Handful of gypsum. Search my main threads and you'll see my tek
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: azur]
#22316400 - 09/30/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Hook420]
#22316677 - 09/30/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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To throw out a few more options:
Straw. No need to worry about hydrating it properly. It just soaks up as much as it's going to and then you roll with it. Downside is it's a bit touchy.
Another option is straight vermiculite. Just hydrate with boiling water to drop the spore load a bit and you should be fine. Downside is it has next to no nutritional value, though bulk is there mostly for water supply. Upside here is it reduces the things you can screw up if you're new.
Poo is probably the best option though.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#22316687 - 09/30/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Horse Poo, straw, little bit of Verm and a dash Gypsum
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Here i am again...
I have 2 quart jars with full colonized wheat. I remind you that i live in Argentina and coir is not available. I intend to make a mini mono. Today i bought a bag of horse manure but unfortunately is not 100% dry. I put gloves and i crashed a little bit with my hands to make smaller pieces, then i put the horse manure in my garden (tomorrow will be sunny and warm, so i hope the sun will dry it 100%). The problem is that i saw like a thin layer of a white fungus in some pieces and this is the only horse manure i can get (the rest of vendors dont have age field horse manure), i discarded this pieces.
Should use it anyways? Or i´ts 100% sure that will be contaminated?
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23897975 - 12/05/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No you can. Best to have field aged. Without proper shit or coir ready i would do straight straw cased with verm.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: tump]
#23898276 - 12/05/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like Spelt hulls. Very clean. High energy feedstock. Basically Wheat and you don't have to chop it like straw. Could be a part if not all of the substrate.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Crispykoot]
#23898336 - 12/05/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok so your poo is shit. Straw is a very good option and bales are very cheap, but if you live in an apartment it can be a terrible mess, so if you decide to bring a bale of straw home be sure you live alone cos the wife can rip your balls off and make you eat them for dinner.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Josex]
#23898380 - 12/05/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like it could have been fire fang? Very beneficial for cubensis.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: tump]
#23898386 - 12/05/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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tump said: No you can. Best to have field aged. Without proper shit or coir ready i would do straight straw cased with verm.
So i cant use it 
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Crispykoot said: I like Spelt hulls. Very clean. High energy feedstock. Basically Wheat and you don't have to chop it like straw. Could be a part if not all of the substrate.
That sounds cool, but i cant find that in my country. What I found is buckwheat hulls like this:

But how can i prepare this?
Any straw tek?
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23898428 - 12/05/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a granary near you? You can find hulls there.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Mad Season]
#23898431 - 12/05/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: Sounds like it could have been fire fang? Very beneficial for cubensis.
I dont know if its fire fang but look like this (i took the picture from internet but looks the same), also the vendor give me the manure in a closed plastic bag (not a breathable bag):
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23898437 - 12/05/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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From what I've seen and heard, horse manure seems to be the way to go. IF you have easy access to it.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23898483 - 12/05/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tom450 said: Any straw tek?
Check Azur's threads, but again straw is messy af and if you only own a regular car you can't possibly fit a bale of straw in there to take it home. Nonetheless you can try to be your most charming at the store and ask the vendor permission to fit a bale into big bags like so...

If you're persuasive and the guy at the store is in a good mood he may let you create a lil bit of havoc.
Also, you can try ebay. The brand of coir that most people here use is "Eco Earth" if I'm not mistaken.
Edited by Josex (12/05/16 10:25 PM)
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23898510 - 12/05/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tom450 said:
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Mad Season said: Sounds like it could have been fire fang? Very beneficial for cubensis.
I dont know if its fire fang but look like this (i took the picture from internet but looks the same), also the vendor give me the manure in a closed plastic bag (not a breathable bag):

Looks like the fire fang shit I always use
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Mad Season]
#23898514 - 12/05/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes that is
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23907582 - 12/08/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've never used something like the hulls you have there in the photos, but the hulls (husks) that hold the Wheat or Spelt grains are very much like chopped straw, but cleaner because they come from higher up on the plant. You pasteurize them just like straw. You can usually get them in a bag like grain.
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Crispykoot]
#23907677 - 12/08/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That hpoo looks fantastic, that's field aged manure...mix that with some straw, verm, at a 1:1:1 and a handful of gypsum if you can get it...and get ready for some beautiful shrooms!!
Remember you have to pasteurize it!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Peteyboy]
#23926950 - 12/14/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, i used the horse manure with white spots, i mixed with my wheat spawn (when i opened the jars smelled a bit acid) and after 7 days looks like this (i took off the tape and put poly for fruiting stage, i smelled again and fresh ):
¿How it looks? This is my first grow! Mini mono


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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23926977 - 12/14/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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epic!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: cronicr]
#23927655 - 12/14/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, that looks great!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: egobrain]
#23927689 - 12/14/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yay
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: tump]
#23937539 - 12/18/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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how it looks the dry rings around the poly???? its ok? need to be smaller? bigger?


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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23937572 - 12/18/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Show holes look good...looks like the top holes could be a bit looser...lookin pretty good though!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Peteyboy]
#23937577 - 12/18/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks good and healthy!! please show some more updates with pins and matures!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: tripo3]
#23937895 - 12/18/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, that looks great, nice OP
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: NDStepp84]
#23958964 - 12/26/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The mini mono won´t start pinning. 10 days have passed since i put in "fruiting" conditions, but i only see more fluffy mycelium. Whats the average pinning formation time? The mini mono is in a very still room (no air movement) at 82 °F, once a day i take off the lid and ventilate a little. Should i put a fan in the room to increase FAE?


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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23958998 - 12/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah out a fan in there to keep air circulation during fruiting but point it away from but near the tub
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Fae and patience
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Im going to die Today I walked up and mist the mini mono a little bit with a pulverizer for the first time. I went to work and when I came back and I saw this WTF yesterday looked so good
It's contaminated right? trichoderma? What should I do?




Edited by Tom450 (01/03/17 06:03 PM)
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23979056 - 01/03/17 02:45 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Can't see
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look now!
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23979588 - 01/03/17 06:10 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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It looks fine. Maybe bacteria.
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Naa you're good man that looks fine
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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Guess]
#23989023 - 01/07/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Updates:
Day 24 from fruiting Many shrooms have grown and many pins are starting to grow. Its very uneven with too much no grow space, Why can this happen? 
Should i cut the ready ones right? Can this be called a flush? Im from argentina and here a dehydrator costs 150 usd, is there another good possibility to dry them ?
Any advices? Moist? Fan? Anything?

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Re: What substrate (NO coir) [Re: Tom450]
#23989063 - 01/07/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Not sure about cubes, but 24 days seems a lot, mostly fruiting on the outsides. There is a pattern and it's telling you something, I'm no cube pro.
However I see a lot of rhizomorphs in the center.
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