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kikijan
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Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate?
#22313062 - 09/30/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello everyone,
I've prepared 5 quarts of spawn to use with Damion5050's tek, giving me the following ingredients:
- 4 quarts of water
- 1 brick of coir (~650g)
- 2 quarts verm
- 5 quarts spawn
Here is where I get confused. Judging by this post that uses the exact same recipe, I calculated how much volume his bulk took up with the following formula:
26 inches * 13.5 inches * 3.75 inches (substrate height)
Brings us to 1316 cubic inches of substrate, or 21.56 liters. Now I've calculated my hole height based on the assumption that I too will get ~21.5 liters of substrate with Damion5050's recipe.
But I don't know. Even with the spawn mixed in, doesn't that seem a bit on the high side? Does the coco/verm really expand that much? Basically, what I'm asking is this: If using Damion5050's tek to the letter, how much substrate (spawn included) do you get out of it (in quarts, or liters, I don't care).
This is baffling me because my hole placement depends on this. Any input or thoughts are appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: kikijan]
#22313095 - 09/30/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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depends on how fluffy you make it. what kind of verm you have, which brand of coir you have, how much you compact it down or don't compact it down. etc...
someone might say his recipe makes X quarts of finished product and I might say it makes Y quarts.
some people will press down on their 4.5 inch sub to make it level and by doing so mash it down to 3.75" you'll get the hang of it
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22313135 - 09/30/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the answer mate. The reason I'm asking is because I have a 18.9" x 12.2" x 11.8" tub and if I calculate hole height with 21.5 liters in mind, it fills up almost half the tub! I calculated a substrate depth of almost 6"...
My eyes simply cannot accept that I'll get so much substrate. Though I haven't thought if the guy in the post mushed it down or not, which could be a factor.
Follow up: with my box, and Damion5050 recipe, is there a minimum "safe" height for the holes? I don't want to fuck it up since once the holes are done they're done. Any suggestions?
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22313168 - 09/30/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME it makes like 10qt-12qt, depending on the smushing. Also remember your quarts of spawn are not quarts, 1/2 to 3/4qt Also, I think most of us find damion's recipe on the dry side. I'd go at least 4.25 if not 4.5qt. You can also just remove the verm if you wanna cut your sub volume down. I find fine verm makes 0 textural difference, it's nice and fluffy. 3.75qt is a good starting point for straight coir.
I've used exotera plantation soil and earth juice.
Total volume is more like 13 to 17qt. Casing for a full mono is usually 1.5-2qt.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Edited by Machiavelliavore (09/30/15 09:43 AM)
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22313379 - 09/30/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you guys. I've just noticed that the box gets longer/wider with height, so my calculations should be a bit off.
I've decided to put the holes a little over 10 cm high which is a little over 4", should be enough - I hope. Guess I need to try it out for myself to find out how things work out.
Again, thanks for the input.
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: kikijan]
#22313451 - 09/30/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why not just use water to measure your desired hole placement? A little more accurate than measuring since you know how much sub and spawn you will be using.
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22313593 - 09/30/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know how much sub/spawn I'll be using, yes... But 4 quarts of water + 1 brick of coir + 2 quarts of verm = ???.
That's the question, and there seems to be no definite answer. I'm basing the 10cm (4") hole placement on Machiavelliavore's answer that I'll have about 13-17 quarts of substrate (spawn included). If I'll have that much, 4" depth should be more than enough.
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: kikijan]
#22313750 - 09/30/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What model of tub? Sterilite 66, 56? Hefty whatever? It would be nearly 4" uncompressed in a sterilite 66.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Damion5050's tek - total volume of substrate? [Re: kikijan]
#22313755 - 09/30/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
kikijan said: I know how much sub/spawn I'll be using, yes... But 4 quarts of water + 1 brick of coir + 2 quarts of verm = ???.
That's the question, and there seems to be no definite answer. I'm basing the 10cm (4") hole placement on Machiavelliavore's answer that I'll have about 13-17 quarts of substrate (spawn included). If I'll have that much, 4" depth should be more than enough.
What you mean? A brick of coir hydrates to roughly 8 quarts if that helps.
What tub do you have? Is it a 27qt-30qt? If that's the case then I would just half it that's enough to make 2 full mini monos with enough leftover for a casing later if you want it.
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