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OfflineCrawler
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Guidance
    #22312784 - 09/30/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey,

this upcoming weekend I have the chance to bring a classmate closer to psychedelics. I'm very happy to do so. It is so much more enjoyable taking Mushrooms or any kind of psychedelic with someone or rather showing them the world that I once was unknown ageble of.
Very curious to see how this will go.
:lookatit:

I have never guided someone through a trip though..any guidance? :takingnotes:

I don't want to throw him into the deep end, so I thought 5grs of Magic Truffles should be suitable for a beginner?
Even though 5gr for myself is like standing between two chairs.


Peace, Crawler


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22314182 - 09/30/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dry truffles right?

If you are familiar with these and think 6(?) would be better... would that = ~3g cubensis?

I wouldn't worry too much about guiding someone during the experience; as much as first talking them through what to expect and creating an environment conducive the their trip unfolding on its own.

Do you have a quality playlist; mentally stimulating without being imposing? 

Trippy Video or slideshow playing.


What sort of experience would vibe best?  Is there a good outside spot to chill?

Drawing/painting?

Do you play instruments?


Some juice, chamomile tea*, light snack; fruits, raw unfiltered honey(!)

    Several flavonoids found in chamomile, the most notable being quercetin, are inhibitors of Cytochrome P450 enzymes, including CYP3A4. CYP3A4 is vital to the metabolism of entheogenic tryptamines, thus a potentiating and/or a lengthened duration of effects is to be assumed.

-Evening Glory, of another forum.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22314496 - 09/30/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

not really guide more like suggest

bring fruit and a good music playlist like



I start my friends on 25grams fresh stones. A few first timers at any psychedelic. Stones are very easy to manage. More about the environment - if you can handle it, whatever dose, should be no problem for them to handle it because they will see you are fine.

before you go WOAH BRO WHAT?! a couple of them asked to go higher next time so....


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But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go
If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow
That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night


Edited by filthyknees (09/30/15 02:50 PM)


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22314678 - 09/30/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Crawler said:
I have never guided someone through a trip though..any guidance? :takingnotes:





Create a safe and quiet setting. No disturbances, no other people, no phones, no screens. Just him, you, the truffles, and some music. And some toys to play with.

For a first time tripper I also create a special place, a mattress in a corner or something like that, and designate it as his safe spot. I explain that whenever things become too much, retreat to the safe spot. You need cushions, blankets, bottles of water, and dim lights. The safe spot never failed me, even when things got a little rough.

When tripping with a first timer I would also make a kind of pact. We are in it together, we will come out of it together. This has really helped some times. The mere thought of the others' existence can be a great support if the rest of the world has dissolved in to liquid golden fractals. We'd just be lying there, ...sighing in bliss and confusion... and every now and then ask the other: you there man? Your pact can be an anchor to reality. Of course it can also deepen the friendship.

Oh, and nothing really wrong with the deep end, as long as you don't sink :wink:

Love, Hanz.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Hanz]
    #22314710 - 09/30/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Guiding another usually requires you to sacrifice your own trip. The trip for you, your experience, (should) become dominated with the understanding necessary for you to positively influence your partner.

So yeah, go in with that expectation. Guiding a newbie is simply getting them caught up to speed with what's really going on. The more on the same page, the less babysitting either of you has to do.

It's like diving. Buddy system and you can go farther and deeper than you could alone. But only if you understand each other when you can't "speak".


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Re: Guidance [Re: flickedbic]
    #22315416 - 09/30/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks!
I'll take everything to consideration.


:manofapproval:

The truffles are fresh btw.
First time listening to The Grateful Dead, digging it !


Edited by Crawler (09/30/15 05:56 PM)


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22316157 - 09/30/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, if I'm going to play shaman I take a lighter social dose or stay sober.  There's nothing more unpleasant than having to pull back on the reigns of a massive dose and keep your shit together while trying to convince your friend that they're not actually truly dying and don't need to go to the hospital.  :lol:

I don't really trip socially anymore other than with my wife, other people are kind of annoying while tripping, hard to agree on the music and you never know if you're going to be on the same page in terms of mood and activities.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler] * 1
    #22323150 - 10/02/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crawler said:
The truffles are fresh btw.





Fresh truffles? And you planned about 5 grams? I would consider that a little too careful. I would give my first timer more like 8 to 10 grams, and take 15 myself, and would still expect everything to remain under control. And I am no monster dose guy at all. I consider every thing over 20 grams of fresh truffles a strong dose.

.. but 5 grams fresh? Remember, you do want something to happen. The danger with too small a dose is that someone decides it all doesn't amount to much, and is not worth repeating.


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Small scale alternative parties rich in empathy and extravagance. Happen to know of one in the vicinity of Amsterdam? PM me my dear fellow. I love to meet some other freaks.

Oh and, if you can,.. embrace the nyctomorph. It needs you.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Hanz]
    #22341087 - 10/06/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hanz said:
Quote:

Crawler said:
The truffles are fresh btw.





Fresh truffles? And you planned about 5 grams? I would consider that a little too careful. I would give my first timer more like 8 to 10 grams, and take 15 myself, and would still expect everything to remain under control. And I am no monster dose guy at all. I consider every thing over 20 grams of fresh truffles a strong dose.

.. but 5 grams fresh? Remember, you do want something to happen. The danger with too small a dose is that someone decides it all doesn't amount to much, and is not worth repeating.





You can never be too careful with shrooms. I learned the hard way, but probably because i'm sensitive to psychedelics and I was alone then.

I'll consider bumping it up if he feels no effects after 40 minutes.
I just want him to generally get a feel for mushrooms.

Then slowly letting him skydive.


Edited by Crawler (10/06/15 01:28 PM)


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22341099 - 10/06/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crawler said:
Quote:

Hanz said:
Quote:

Crawler said:
The truffles are fresh btw.





Fresh truffles? And you planned about 5 grams? I would consider that a little too careful. I would give my first timer more like 8 to 10 grams, and take 15 myself, and would still expect everything to remain under control. And I am no monster dose guy at all. I consider every thing over 20 grams of fresh truffles a strong dose.

.. but 5 grams fresh? Remember, you do want something to happen. The danger with too small a dose is that someone decides it all doesn't amount to much, and is not worth repeating.





You can never be too careful with shrooms. I learned the hard way, but probably because i'm sensitive to psychedelics and I was alone then.

I'll consider bumping it up if he feels no effects after 40 minutes.
I just want him to generally get a feel for mushrooms.

Then slowly letting him skydive.




This is probably the wisest thing to do. Good luck!


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Oh and, if you can,.. embrace the nyctomorph. It needs you.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Hanz]
    #22341118 - 10/06/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks :mushroom2:


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22341678 - 10/06/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd suggest maybe making tea? The come up is faster, so it means he won't  have to wait as long before deciding to up the dose. Las time I ate fresh truffles it was a good hour before I felt anything, and by the time I was peaking my tolerance would have been too high to increase the trip. Tea gives him more time experiencing the effects before the 2hour tolerance mark, and its faster absorption means it could be taken a bit later than fresh truffles to still increase the trip.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Davethefaker] * 1
    #22449246 - 10/29/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There were two lanes and each in on his own.
Sometimes we met on a road split and said hello and laughed, before diving back in. When I noticed he went too deep and his vibe changed I talked to him or changed the music.

I did not dive in so deep just to be there.
I never knew tripping with friends can be so much fun and subtle at the same time. Words can't describe the experience as much as I would like to.


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Re: Guidance [Re: Crawler]
    #22450219 - 10/29/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's a good idea by taking 5 grams and then bumping it up.... That way if he hates the feeling he doesn't have to go deeper.

It should be a great time... Watch The Grateful Dead Movie when you are trippin


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