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Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk?
    #22310088 - 09/29/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alright so within the next week or so (or whenever my syringes get here)im going to be inoculating some brf jars. I still do have quite a bit of time and I've been doing a lot of reading here on the forums though I don't think I've seen a thread talking about the yield differences between doing a tradition pf tek grow and cakes to bulk. Is the extra colonization time (cakes colonizing bulk sub) really worth it? I've heard a lot of "cakes are better fruited as cakes" but to my understanding wouldn't the larger surface area of the substrate=more places for mushrooms to grow=a larger yield?

So I guess my main questions are:
* Which is better(based on yield to time), cakes fruited as cakes or cakes to bulk?
*If going to bulk is really worth it, would a 1:2 ratio of cakes:cow poo/straw be alright?

If I missed any important information please let me know, ill be more than happy to give anything I missed.
And if anyone has any tips/things I should know feel free to share!


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: Undeniable Peace]
    #22310151 - 09/29/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm still new as well however from what i've read and seen is that bulk definitely has more yields if grown under the proper conditions (FAE, Temperature, humidity) which also applies to cakes.

I've seen people case brf cakes and have impressive harvests. It would be worth it to spend the extra little time to case.

IMO going bulk would be ideal if you have experience and are great with being sterile.


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: Arush]
    #22310174 - 09/29/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

rule of thumb. if you have to ask about it, do it the on the beaten path way. if you can research your way in to comfort of doing the advanced way, then go for it.


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22310316 - 09/29/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It used to be that everyone was crumbling up their cakes and casing them without spawning to bulk and expecting better yeilds. I think thats where the sentiment that "cakes are better fruited as cakes" came from.

Ive never used cakes as spawn before. But you could spawn some trays or mini monos and probably have great results.

As far as your substrate, you will have to be able to pasturize that properly. Maybe instead of starting off with cpoo/straw start off with something simple like coir/verm/gypsum.

Put 1 brick coir, 2 quart verm, handfull gyspum and 3.5-4 quarts boiling water in a bucket, cap with lid, stir. When its cool its all set.

Crumble your cakes, mix with coir, let colonize, fruit. Easy peasy Japanesey


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: Undeniable Peace]
    #22310745 - 09/29/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Undeniable Peace said:

So I guess my main questions are:
* Which is better(based on yield to time), cakes fruited as cakes or cakes to bulk?
*If going to bulk is really worth it, would a 1:2 ratio of cakes:cow poo/straw be alright?!




1) Cakes fruited as cakes are better if quicker yield is your objective.

2) if this is your first grow, you should probably spawn cakes to a coir/verm mix for a better opportunity for success (less contam possibility).  Ratios of 1:1 up to 1:6 can work if you have healthy spawn, the lower the ratio the longer the wait for colonization and the higher chance a contam will pop up over time.

Your first few bulk grow attempts you will see some contams, and they will be heart breaking.  The key of bulk growing is when they don't contam, you get a big yield.  But you gotta walk before you can run. 


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: SynKyd]
    #22310833 - 09/29/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How about just get some BRF jars to colonize without contams first. :wink:

Chances are whatever jars you get that are good the first try you'll be impatient and just want to try to fruit as is. Pasteurizing substrate and mixing it opens up more chance of failure. Just don't go putting the cart before the horse here...


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Re: Yield differences between pf tek cakes and brf to bulk? [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22311074 - 09/29/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Bulk can be tough it took me a few tries to get the moisture content of my grain just right and to perfect the pasteurization tek. There are several reasons it's a good idea to start off with the PF tek. In my opinion you got alot more chances to get it right and alot less things that can go wrong. I still keep a pf grow going just because I feel like that's my bread and butter I know I can get fruits where as with bulk techniques your really putting all your eggs in one basket.

I tried casing pf cakes when I first started just as kind of a baby step into bulk growing. I did it a couple times and I don't think it was worth it. Risking cakes that are ready to fruit to contams again, adding unnecessary time to the grow and not to mention when it was all said and done I didn't get much more fruit.


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