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Stevefrench
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Suggestion for indoor liberty caps
#22309760 - 09/29/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am by no means an advanced mycologist ( noob here ) but I had an insight for something to try for growing lib caps indoors ( i have read over the last few years that its nearly next to impossible to fruit indoors ) but glad to see people are still trying , nothings impossible. I have propagated plants that books said could not be propagated... anyhow if im remembering correctly dont most places that grow lib caps have a body of salt water near them ? perhaps humidify the fruiting chamber with saltwater mist ? maybe salinity could be a factor here ? ( pardon me if this has already been covered , i thought it was worth mensioning )
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: Stevefrench]
#22309833 - 09/29/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Salt doesn't evaporate
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WhyDidiDoThis
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I dont think he is talking about a humidifier, but creating humidity, with a mister.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22309912 - 09/29/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: I dont think he is talking about a humidifier, but creating humidity, with a mister.
this thankyou , pardon me im a little medicated
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: Stevefrench]
#22310076 - 09/29/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right, but in nature it won't rain salt water :V
Looking it up, it doesn't seem like they necessarily grow near salt water but where it's wet:
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The mushroom grows in fields, grassy meadows, and similar habitats, particularly in wet, north-facing fields (south-facing for southern hemisphere) that are well-fertilized by sheep and cattle feces. But unlike P. cubensis, the fungus does not grow directly on dung; rather, it is a saprobic species that feeds off decaying grass roots. It is widely distributed in the cool temperate and subarctic regions of the Northern Hemisphere, particularly in Europe. However, it has also been reported occasionally from warmer locations such as India, South America, and Australasia. The earliest reliable history of P. semilanceata intoxication dates back to 1799 in London, and in the 1960s the mushroom was the first European species confirmed to contain psilocybin. Further investigations into the chemical makeup of the fungus revealed the presence of the substances phenylethylamine, and the psychotropic tryptamine baeocystin. The possession or sale of psilocybin mushrooms is illegal in many countries.
So, you would probably want to determine the origin of the strain and if it is, in fact, temperate or subarctic. Looking at the rest of that... What is a north-facing field, first of all? It is a field; I assume it's mostly flat so wouldn't it be south-facing if you turned around 180 degrees? Anyway, two things obviously come to mind: the position of the sun and the northern winds. In the colder seasons, the sun will be farther south and northern winds are archetypal for bringing in cold weather. Whether actual wind or sun matters, who knows... it might just be a matter of reducing light and temperatures (which should be on the cool side, in the first place).
Lack of water or nutrients and oxidative stress has also been a factor in fruiting other species.
You might also try fruiting from sclerotia which has shown success in some hard-to-fruit species.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: Stevefrench]
#22310080 - 09/29/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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And a high nitrogen content. They grow in fields with manure, but never from manure, ever. So what makes the field eith manure, more nutritional than any other healthy field?
There has to be something in the soil, from decomposed crap. Has to be.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: micro]
#22310112 - 09/29/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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interesting stuff thats for sure !
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22310121 - 09/29/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: And a high nitrogen content. They grow in fields with manure, but never from manure, ever. So what makes the field eith manure, more nutritional than any other healthy field?
There has to be something in the soil, from decomposed crap. Has to be.
True, I forgot that part. lol
It said it feeds off decaying grass roots...
I'm not sure if it would be better to make some actual manure mixture with grass or straw, or maybe just add something like urea for the nitrogen content.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: micro]
#22312056 - 09/30/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe use manure tea to fertilize the substrate ? perhaps add a wee salt ?
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: Stevefrench]
#22312194 - 09/30/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure about salt...
Also, I am not sure how much nitrogen-containing compounds would be in poo-water.
It is probably aminated organic compounds for the most part, otherwise it would come out the other end :V
Maybe in hot water, though... You could always test with acetyl chloride.
Another way might be to include manure in with the substrate, but not too much.
You should only need a little and you want to keep it airy anyway.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: micro]
#22313367 - 09/30/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe growing decomposers, on poop, to leave the goodies they process in the ground. Then you have the problem of mycelium fighting for a small area. Which is no good. Maybe have a large tub, im talking like, 2ft wide, 3ft long, 1-2ft deep, outdoors. Filled with quality soil, growing grass. Load some crap shit on that bitch. Let some Panaeolus and whatever else fruit from it. For months. Idk how long 6 months - 2 years?
Take this grass now, without any crap on it, and inoculate it with yoir lib caps and proceed to give it the conditions the mycelium needs to flourish?
Remeberm unlile plants, mushrooms are technically, a living, conscious thing. They make "decisions" so to speak.
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22313392 - 09/30/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Suggestion for indoor liberty caps [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22313732 - 09/30/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha, nice
makes me want to try xD
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