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OfflineHomelessComputer
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Native Americans * 1
    #22309150 - 09/29/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hello everyone, just joined Shroomery and it's pretty sweet!  I am a very traditional member of the Navajo tribe.  Everywhere I look on the internet there are so many misconceptions about Native Americans and I feel like my knowledge could be of use to many on this board.  So, ask me a quesion and I'll try to answer it.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer] * 5
    #22309157 - 09/29/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:singletear:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: 1234go] * 3
    #22309163 - 09/29/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery!


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309181 - 09/29/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why were they so violent to the settling pilgrims?

I mean, we made them a thanksgiving feast for God's sake.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309190 - 09/29/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

how much does peyote go for on your average native american street corner


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Re: Native Americans [Re: 1234go] * 2
    #22309226 - 09/29/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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1234go said:
Why were they so violent to the settling pilgrims?

I mean, we made them a thanksgiving feast for God's sake.




Because they burnt the damn turkey


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Niffla]
    #22309228 - 09/29/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What are your thoughts on Native's charging money for ceremonies like Vision Quests and Yuwipi Ceremonies?

I understand charging for the Ayahuasca and Peyote Ceremonies due to the traveling costs of the shaman and the medicine, but the others is what i'm mostly wondering how a Native feels about it.


I attended a Yuwipi Ceremony last weekend and they were fairly persistent on asking for "donations."  Granted, if you didn't have any money, they would still let you join but the donations were mentioned multiple times.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309229 - 09/29/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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HomelessComputer said:
Quote:

1234go said:
Why were they so violent to the settling pilgrims?

I mean, we made them a thanksgiving feast for God's sake.




Because they burnt the damn turkey




:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309234 - 09/29/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

HomelessComputer said:
Quote:

1234go said:
Why were they so violent to the settling pilgrims?

I mean, we made them a thanksgiving feast for God's sake.




Because they burnt the damn turkey



+5 shrooms for you :rofl:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Niffla]
    #22309257 - 09/29/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Niffla said:
how much does peyote go for on your average native american street corner



There isn't much of a market for it, or for it's abuse. It's just extremely "sacred" to everyone on the rez and people know not to fuck around with it, native or not haha. It's usually obtained through ceremonies or your own personal cultivation.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer] * 1
    #22309262 - 09/29/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why were the Native Americans unable to develop a modern society of their own before the white man came.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309286 - 09/29/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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336 said:
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HomelessComputer said:
Hello everyone, just joined Shroomery and it's pretty sweet!  I am a very traditional member of the Navajo tribe.  Everywhere I look on the internet there are so many misconceptions about Native Americans and I feel like my knowledge could be of use to many on this board.  So, ask me a quesion and I'll try to answer it.



Beware of the people on this board.

Do you mind if I ask what percent Navajo you are?



Those people need to beware themselves lol. I'm full blooded and can trace my lineage back about 5 or 6 generations...


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309294 - 09/29/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have esp?

Serious.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer] * 1
    #22309340 - 09/29/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I learned about you in social studies.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: ShiVersblood] * 3
    #22309348 - 09/29/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Stealth1Vampire said:
Why were the Native Americans unable to develop a modern society of their own before the white man came.



There was no need to.  Life was harmonious in every aspect. This is called hozhó, or the Beauty Way.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309375 - 09/29/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This talk of Peyote made me curious.. How often are peyote rituals typically attended? (If one, obviously, attends them?)


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309379 - 09/29/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer] * 1
    #22309418 - 09/29/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In before Pris comes in and shits all over your culture


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309456 - 09/29/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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336 said:
Quote:

nicechrisman said:
In before Pris comes in and shits all over your culture



:thisisterrible:
Seriously... He claims to be part native but I find it hard to believe.




Um doesn't everybody though? Like seriously, you can't even have a conversation without someone bringing up their great-great-great-great-great grandmother on their second cousin twice removed's side who is Cherokee.

With so many "part Natives", you'd think a mass forced migration and genocide didn't happen.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22309461 - 09/29/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

By the way OP: Welcome to the Shroomery!


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Re: Native Americans [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22309467 - 09/29/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

People like to fuck :shrug:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22309479 - 09/29/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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People like to fuck :shrug:




Nobody fucks THAT much.

Not even Bill Cosby and he had drugs to put in the women.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22309482 - 09/29/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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dionysiandame said:
Quote:

336 said:
Quote:

nicechrisman said:
In before Pris comes in and shits all over your culture



:thisisterrible:
Seriously... He claims to be part native but I find it hard to believe.




Um doesn't everybody though? Like seriously, you can't even have a conversation without someone bringing up their great-great-great-great-great grandmother on their second cousin twice removed's side who is Cherokee.

With so many "part Natives", you'd think a mass forced migration and genocide didn't happen.




Doesn't matter, I'm still .0001 percent Cherokee. Therefore, part Cherokee! :kingcrankey:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22309495 - 09/29/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well when you think about the fact that this whole continent was inhabited by native Americans prior to European colonization, it only makes sense that a lot of cross breeding has occurred since 1492.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: xbloodwhipx] * 1
    #22309551 - 09/29/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

xbloodwhipx said:
Do you have esp?

Serious.



Can I predict the lotto? No.
Is it easy for me to explore the universe through something other than my five senses and "conscious"? Yes. We tap into this very often during ceremonies and other occurences.  Describing the beauty felt, viewed, and arranged during a technique taught by the gods at the beginning of man's history is something hard to define on a discussion board.  During a ceremony, it's as if the four sacred directions are arranging everything beneath your atoms, your brain waves, and creates new balances throughout an individual's entire existence, past present and future.  It's extremely hard to define it and reverse engineer it through western science, because my grandpa's feces are older than today's science.  Science dismisses the unknown as fiction, so science isn't that great in my opinion.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22309560 - 09/29/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well when you think about the fact that this whole continent was inhabited by native Americans prior to European colonization, it only makes sense that a lot of cross breeding has occurred since 1492.




Thats how easy a continent can fall, and why Im so worried about muslim immigration right now.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309568 - 09/29/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

HomelessComputer said:
Quote:

xbloodwhipx said:
Do you have esp?

Serious.



Can I predict the lotto? No.
Is it easy for me to explore the universe through something other than my five senses and "conscious"? Yes. We tap into this very often during ceremonies and other occurences.  Describing the beauty felt, viewed, and arranged during a technique taught by the gods at the beginning of man's history is something hard to define on a discussion board.  During a ceremony, it's as if the four sacred directions are arranging everything beneath your atoms, your brain waves, and creates new balances throughout an individual's entire existence, past present and future.  It's extremely hard to define it and reverse engineer it through western science, because my grandpa's feces are older than today's science.  Science dismisses the unknown as fiction, so science isn't that great in my opinion.



Haha. Oh, Natives.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Asante]
    #22309593 - 09/29/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
This talk of Peyote made me curious.. How often are peyote rituals typically attended? (If one, obviously, attends them?)



It's entirely up to the user.  I only attend peyote ceremonies in support of friends or family members.  It's like going to mass at church, but these meetings are coordinated at the leisure of anybody, anytime.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22309602 - 09/29/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

nicechrisman said:
Well when you think about the fact that this whole continent was inhabited by native Americans prior to European colonization, it only makes sense that a lot of cross breeding has occurred since 1492.




You mean before or after the devastating plagues and interracial/intra-racial warfare? I don't doubt there was some intermingling, I doubt that it was extensive enough that Latisha Brown and Michael Pakoswki x10000000 have Native American ancestry.

I think it's just popular to say one has it because it's considered "rare", "mystical", or whatever. It's the simpering hymn of people playing Oppression Olympics or slinging crystals at a new age shop.

Then again, it really isn't my business. I'm just a regular ol' negro. *shrug* I just think that shit's kind of funny.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: dionysiandame] * 2
    #22309796 - 09/29/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Plagues and warfare never stopped people from doing the no pants dance.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22309887 - 09/29/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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HomelessComputer said:
Hello everyone, just joined Shroomery and it's pretty sweet!  I am a very traditional member of the Navajo tribe.  Everywhere I look on the internet there are so many misconceptions about Native Americans and I feel like my knowledge could be of use to many on this board.  So, ask me a quesion and I'll try to answer it.




To what extent is it a misconception that the traditions, knowledge and rituals are made up by the "tribes" for the benefit of tourists?

Is there really any continuity of ancient tribal lore going back to the times before the Europeans arrived, and, how many tribes have even been able to hang on to their language?

Would it be wrong to lump these "tribal ceremonies" in the same class as the self appointed leaders of the so-called druids, that made up some bullshit rituals in their local am-dram (amateur dramatics) society, that we have over here in the UK, who perform their "rituals" at stonehenge on the soltice, pretending like there is an unbroken line of druidic tradition that somehow escaped 2000 years of persecution by the Christians?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22310027 - 09/29/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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HomelessComputer said:
Quote:

Asante said:
This talk of Peyote made me curious.. How often are peyote rituals typically attended? (If one, obviously, attends them?)



It's entirely up to the user.  I only attend peyote ceremonies in support of friends or family members.  It's like going to mass at church, but these meetings are coordinated at the leisure of anybody, anytime.



Do you attend or partake?  Have you used any other hallucinogens and, if you know, how is peyote different, if it is at all?  Have you tried Jimson weed?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22310053 - 09/29/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome to The Shroomery!

What's the status of your language? I know it's the most prevalent Native American language in the United States. Can you speak it? Is it spoken often on your reservation? Are there Navajo-language radio and television programs? Are there still people who speak Navajo exclusively?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Capers]
    #22310385 - 09/29/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey! You're already a 10 in my books:peace: Welcome aboard:tongue2: Im really interested in hearing the answers to these questions, and this lot likes to dig deep!:psychsplit: So its going to be a learning session for all involved haha

Lets see if I got one.... do you think the ways and the traditions of the Najavos has what it takes to keep burnin' on??

:cheers:
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Shortknight]
    #22310509 - 09/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Can you do a top 7 of your favourite native Americans?

What do you dislike most about your traditional culture? I mean, it's easy to talk about what you like and what's awesome. But there ought to be things that are simply annoying too...


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Re: Native Americans [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22310558 - 09/29/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What exactly are your tribe's traditional knapping materials?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: 1234go]
    #22310645 - 09/29/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:singletear:



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Re: Native Americans [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22310654 - 09/29/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

xbloodwhipx said:
Quote:

HomelessComputer said:
Quote:

1234go said:
Why were they so violent to the settling pilgrims?

I mean, we made them a thanksgiving feast for God's sake.




Because they burnt the damn turkey



+5 shrooms for you :rofl:



hahahahaha :smile: good vibes


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Re: Native Americans [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #22310722 - 09/29/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Why were the Native Americans unable to develop a modern society of their own before the white man came.



Perhaps because of late human settlement? Also the Aztecs are native american and they had a pretty advanced society if you ask me.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22310798 - 09/29/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
In before Pris comes in and shits all over your culture





navajo is not comanche or cherokee

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336 said:
Quote:

nicechrisman said:
In before Pris comes in and shits all over your culture



:thisisterrible:
Seriously... He claims to be part native but I find it hard to believe.




yes but you'll believe in alien anal probing.. it's just wishful thinking


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22310881 - 09/29/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have shovel-shaped incisors?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #22310924 - 09/29/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting that I ask OP a specific question about Native American ceremonies.

One that I even attended and asked of his opinion.


But completely ignored my question while not making any true claims of his heritage.





I'm doubting authenticity.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22310974 - 09/29/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Big worm settled it.  Imposter.  Thanks big perm.  ..I mean worm


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22311088 - 09/29/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how did u find out about this place?, was it from another shroomery member?.. :strokebeard:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22311089 - 09/29/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting that I ask OP a specific question about Native American ceremonies.

One that I even attended and asked of his opinion.


But completely ignored my question while not making any true claims of his heritage.





I'm doubting authenticity.





dont believe that every indian knows his history, it's only in the last 30 years
that many nations were allowed to even teach their history again, the ceremonies
and rituals were forbidden by law in most reservations. the oldest person on the
Qualla Baoundary that speaks tsalagi as a first language is about 17 or 18, many
of the younger people didnt want to be different than the world so it held no
interest to them. why would you expect everyone to know everything about their
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Magicman69]
    #22311282 - 09/29/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I learned about you in social studies.




I learned about them while taking Calgary public transit. A magical people! I think since we broke some treaties they never pay for the train. Once a bunch started shouting "native pride" when the police came to remove them for not having 3 dollar ticket. 
So what's your tribe like? Casino?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22311342 - 09/29/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:heart:For ALL beings.
Including, although not limited to,
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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22311406 - 09/29/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How do you feel about cultural appropriation?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22311490 - 09/29/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I learned about you in social studies.




I learned about them while taking Calgary public transit. A magical people! I think since we broke some treaties they never pay for the train. Once a bunch started shouting "native pride" when the police came to remove them for not having 3 dollar ticket. 
So what's your tribe like? Casino?



:thumbdown:

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How do you feel about cultural appropriation?



Personally, I love it!

White people who wear headdresses help the Native American community financially survive.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22311511 - 09/29/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting that I ask OP a specific question about Native American ceremonies.

One that I even attended and asked of his opinion.


But completely ignored my question while not making any true claims of his heritage.





I'm doubting authenticity.



Okay dude, don't let your entitlement get to your head
:lol:


Yuwipi is a Lakota thing anyways.


I've also never heard of someone paying for hemblecha.

HomelessComputer, have you sun danced? If so, how do your traditions regard crossing the eastern gate?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: D.M.T]
    #22311653 - 09/29/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you feel about cultural appropriation?



Personally, I love it!

White people who wear headdresses help the Native American community financially survive.





dont forget about the 7/11 shamans that use marlboro as a spiritual sacrament


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22311663 - 09/29/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I once experiened ego death after taking budwieser and marlboros at Acaterpillar's sun dance.  It was life changing.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
    #22311672 - 09/29/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22311740 - 09/29/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Big Worm said:
Interesting that I ask OP a specific question about Native American ceremonies.

One that I even attended and asked of his opinion.


But completely ignored my question while not making any true claims of his heritage.





I'm doubting authenticity.



Okay dude, don't let your entitlement get to your head
:lol:


Yuwipi is a Lakota thing anyways.


I've also never heard of someone paying for hemblecha.

HomelessComputer, have you sun danced? If so, how do your traditions regard crossing the eastern gate?






lol entitlement about what?  You clearly misinterpreted what I said, or at least how I meant it.

All I said was that I went to a Yuwipi ceremony.  In no way I was bragging about it.

I moved to an area recently and have been exposed to the culture.

I had a few questions about it to try and understand it from a different perspective from someone claiming to be Native American.



And pris, when people come on the boards and claim to be timothy leary's great grandson or someone who claims to be Native American or whoever, especially when it comes to this website, it's probably expected that questions will be asked about who they are and in this case, their culture. If they are open to share information about their lives to create a thread about it, then I would expect they would know something or have something to share.

:shrug:

Am I crazy?

I asked one question.

Dude hasn't said anything validating a thing.

And I am perceived as pretentious because I went to a ceremony related to the topic of the thread?


lol


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22311757 - 09/30/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
How do you feel about cultural appropriation?



Personally, I love it!

White people who wear headdresses help the Native American community financially survive.





dont forget about the 7/11 shamans that use marlboro as a spiritual sacrament



They're all-natural, brother Prisoner#1.



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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22311794 - 09/30/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, I am referring to your quick jump to assumptious assertions about the OP based on the belief that your question held more value than the others he addressed.

The question you asked could have a very long response, maybe he doesn't have the energy to answer it right now? Or maybe he simply didn't like the question and doesn't want to answer.
Questioning his authenticity certainly isn't going to make him want to appease you with an answer.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22311800 - 09/30/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I want to go to a sun dance Acatterpillar!



Just make sure it's for the right reasons.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22311820 - 09/30/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My friend is basically a full blown white person but has some Cherokee in him from like his grandma and he has a fucking reservation card and everything. He uses that shit all the time to get tax free cigs and all this other shit.

My dads friend is full blooded Navajo and he's really chill. I know that other tribes fucking hate each other though. The other tribes here hate the navajos. It's like some long standing century old feud. Now it's probably over gaming rights lol.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22311835 - 09/30/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I am referring to your quick jump to assumptious assertions about the OP based on the belief that your question held more value than the others he addressed.

The question you asked could have a very long response, maybe he doesn't have the energy to answer it right now? Or maybe he simply didn't like the question and doesn't want to answer.
Questioning his authenticity certainly isn't going to make him want to appease you with an answer.






I understand what you're saying.



It's just I believe like 25% of the things I read on here anyway. Too many trolls.  So skepticism is difficult to avoid.

I was just truly interested in my question.


Plus not everybody stays glued to refreshing Shroomery like me  :lol:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22311862 - 09/30/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why's it hard to believe someone could actually be Native American?

The famed historian Rush Limbaugh once said, “There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history.”


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Re: Native Americans [Re: D.M.T]
    #22311882 - 09/30/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's hard to believe.  :shrug:


I live on Native American land.


I am affiliated with many Natives, even ones who hold sweat lodges and vision quests and other ceremonies all the time.




All I said was that he ignored my question after he asked people to ask him questions about Native Americans lol



He is a new member.

A lot of new members are just trolls claiming to be someone else to fuck with people.

And I ask a legitimate question and somehow this got turned around on me    :lol:


OP is the most defended new member I have seen yet.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Big Worm]
    #22311888 - 09/30/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Native culture isn't so cynical like Western culture.
He is capable of defending himself, but out of my own curiosity, I'd like to see him not run off.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22311912 - 09/30/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps the native culture wasn't cynical enough.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22311913 - 09/30/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't speaking from my perspective of our culture, just this being Shroomery and all.


And I'm honestly curious as well.  I wasn't even trying to be a dick, it was just an observation.   


I'm interested in another perspective of the things i've been around because there has been a lot of talk about "fake/plastic shamans" exploiting Native culture for monetary purposes.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22311930 - 09/30/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Protip: If they call themselves a shaman and they're not siberian, raise your suspicion.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22311955 - 09/30/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Siberian? what does that have to do it


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Re: Native Americans [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #22311958 - 09/30/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Siberia is the origin of the term "shaman". People use it to describe other medicine men, etc just because it's an easy term to lump all these sorts into


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    #22311959 - 09/30/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Shamans are siberian holy men.
Here in the Americas we have different names for them.


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    #22311961 - 09/30/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22311966 - 09/30/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Threads like these make me remember why they call it The Pube


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22312030 - 09/30/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Think natives use healer or medicine man more so then shaman. I guess they can all be interchangeable.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22312062 - 09/30/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Jews are white. Native American Indian are brown.


Hitler is bad because he was killing white jews

America is good because it was killing brown skinned native american indians.

Really? Skin color is what decides if something is evil or not?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22312244 - 09/30/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm native american as well, and there are quite of bit of misconceptions about native americans. More so than any other race.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
    #22312255 - 09/30/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because we're :magicfingers:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
    #22312263 - 09/30/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaaa, the best thing about your sig is when his little feet go grabbing for the towel.  Lol, little screwball..and then he blinks.


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    #22312268 - 09/30/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hahaaa, the best thing about your sig is when his little feet go grabbing for the towel.  Lol, little screwball..and then he blinks.




I like how he cocks his head at the camera after tucking himself under the little blanket lol


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    #22312292 - 09/30/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also btw, native americans aren't a single "shade". Tribes varied so much, there were natives nearly pale, and there were natives who were darker. But that fact is even more exaggerated today due to mixed natives being the norm.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22312317 - 09/30/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But really skin color/cultural differences etc are just scapegoats that allow nations of people to conquer and pillage and murder with impunity without having to feel morally unjust; if the people they are conquering aren't "real people" or are somehow "inferior people" it justifies their eradication.

It's all fucked up.




Yeah man. It's the pricks in power who are always pitting brother against brother.
We're all a bunch of slaves! How long are we gonna let them push us around? How many more generations will fight and hate their brothers because a few people at the top of the pyramid don't know when the fuck they have enough?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
    #22312321 - 09/30/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also btw, native americans aren't a single "shade". Tribes varied so much, there were natives nearly pale, and there were natives who were darker. But that fact is even more exaggerated today due to mixed natives being the norm.



I have blue eyes :eek:..

..might have been some cross breeding there a few branches back.  Chicks dig it though:cookiemonster:


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
    #22312325 - 09/30/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also btw, native americans aren't a single "shade". Tribes varied so much, there were natives nearly pale, and there were natives who were darker. But that fact is even more exaggerated today due to mixed natives being the norm.



I have blue eyes :eek:..

..might have been some cross breeding there a few branches back.  Chicks dig it though:cookiemonster:




So that means you can trace your ancestry all the way back to ancient and drowned Doggerland, where the genes for blue eyes seem to have originated.
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    #22312338 - 09/30/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22312346 - 09/30/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You are descended from the "Doggerland" - the source of blue eyes (and their genes) according to Turtletotem.

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Re: Native Americans [Re: The Moose]
    #22312353 - 09/30/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just looked up Doggerland.  I don't recall ever hearing that name before.  I'll have to look into it.  So far all I've gathered is that if you're into archeology and 'relic' hunting that could very well be a mecca... even though it's under water.(drowned)  I've never done any underwater hunting.


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    #22312360 - 09/30/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It was a huge grassland during the ice age, but now it lies sunken on the bottom of the North Sea.
For centuries fishermen caught all sorts of oddities in their nets, from mammoth bones to stone tools.
A large archeological record of this drowned land exists, and I even helped cataloguing it a few years back.

The blue eyes of Europeans can be traced genetically all the way back to this period in time, to the hunter-gatherer tribes that lived in north-western Europe and Doggerland.
So if you have blue eyes, this is where they came from.
I think that's pretty cool.

Still, we don't know much about the people that lived there.
We can only learn about them trough archeology, because they left no writing, and no oral history about them exists.
One thing we know, for example, is that they buried their dogs in exactly the same ritiualistic way as they buried humans, so from that we can be fairly certain that dogs where very important to these people.

I wish I could tell you guys more, but I'm no archeologists nor geneticist, I just repeat stuff I heard from people who study it :smile:


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    #22312366 - 09/30/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.


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    #22312372 - 09/30/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.




Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers?
Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
    #22312375 - 09/30/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Five minutes after just learning about it I'd give it a gander.. I'd love to be turned loose there and see what I could see.

I need to find a site or something with pictures to see what kind of stuff they're finding over there..


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    #22312385 - 09/30/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm looking for some pictures too, but I mainly find fancifull reconstructions and very few artifacts :frown:

I saw all the bones and artifacts in the North Sea archeology depot, where I did volunteer work for two years.

http://natgeotv.com/uk/stone-age-atlantis
There is aparently a TV show about it, don't know how accurate it is.

EDIT: I might have a CD-ROM somehwere with pictures, I'll see if I can find it this afternoon.


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    #22312402 - 09/30/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.




Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers?
Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?



I was always told as a kid that it's in relation to the sun.  I'm up northeast, in the woods where there is shade.  The plains guys don't get much shade so, sun = pigment when it comes to the eyes.

I suspect this to be highly bullshit, something they tell the kids etc.  I've always suspected some slick fellow, or lady slipped their way into my current bloodline.  In all honesty my pops is the geneology guy.  He's the guy for me to ask.  My grandma is another one..

See, we have pictures that for instance, only my grandma knows who these people are..her sisters dont know but she does.  And she's 86.  You see what I'm saying here?  When she goes, all that history is gone and you're just left with pictures or written accounts of ...who knows.

It's been that way for awhile now, history getting lost.  Imagine how many people never had a picture taken or someone take notes about them.  Gone, just like that.  My pops is all about that Detective work, I should have a real solid sit down with him and figure out what's what.


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    #22312415 - 09/30/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

He's actually written me books about our lineage.. I read them, I just don't recall everything.  I feel like an ass now....lol

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    #22312567 - 09/30/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22312624 - 09/30/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Shamans are siberian holy men.
Here in the Americas we have different names for them.




Don't forget about your great white north!:peace: Pretty certain amung the Inuit, the term shamen is pretty common.

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    #22312814 - 09/30/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The word "shaman" probably originates from the Tungusic Evenki language of North Asia. The Evenki word is probably ultimately borrowed from Pali समन (samana) from Sanskrit[3] श्रमण (śramaṇá, "ascetic, monk, devotee"), from श्रम (śráma, "fatigue, weariness, exhaustion; labor, toil etc."). According to ethnolinguist Juha Janhunen, "the word is attested in all of the Tungusic idioms" such as Negidal, Lamut, Udehe/Orochi, Nanai, Ilcha, Orok, Manchu and Ulcha, and "nothing seems to contradict the assumption that the meaning 'shaman' also derives from Proto-Tungusic" and may have roots that extend back in time at least two millennia.[4] The term was introduced to the west after Russian forces conquered the shamanistic Khanate of Kazan in 1552. The term "shamanism" was first applied by western anthropologists to the ancient religion of the Turks and Mongols, as well as those of the neighboring Tungusic and Samoyedic-speaking peoples. Upon learning more about religious traditions across the world, some anthropologists began to also use the term to describe unrelated magico-religious practices found within the ethnic religions of other parts of Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Americas, as they believed these practices to be similar to one another.


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    #22312989 - 09/30/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.




Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers?
Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?



It probably came from mixing with Europeans, as I have european decent from both my mother and my father. Although I have heard stories of blue eyes in native tribes from long ago. That was most likely from intermingling. It wasn't really considered taboo by natives to marry outsiders, especially if they were adopted into the tribe.


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    #22312994 - 09/30/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is there a peyote or mescaline tradition amongst your people?


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Many of the tribes have culturally appropriated the peyote traditions from the southern tribes of Texas and Mexico


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    #22313058 - 09/30/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.




Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers?
Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?



It probably came from mixing with Europeans, as I have european decent from both my mother and my father. Although I have heard stories of blue eyes in native tribes from long ago. That was most likely from intermingling. It wasn't really considered taboo by natives to marry outsiders, especially if they were adopted into the tribe.



Crazy Horse supposedly had blonde hair, light skin, and blue eyes. No pictures were ever taken of him so all we have to go on are historical accounts. I believe his mother was Cheyenne and his father Sioux.
Also don't forget it's pretty well accepted that my Viking ancestors settled and were incorporated into the Cherokee.


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    #22313067 - 09/30/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

His father was the milkman


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    #22313259 - 09/30/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just repeat stuff I heard from people who study it :smile:



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    #22313278 - 09/30/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just repeat stuff I heard from people who study it :smile:



That's all anyone does here.




Yeah but I don't mean from TV or books or anything, I worked with them.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22313284 - 09/30/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard not only can all blue-eyed people be traced to a specific region but they can also be traced to one specific ancestor. Never looked into it though.


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    #22313301 - 09/30/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I've heard not only can all blue-eyed people be traced to a specific region but they can also be traced to one specific ancestor. Never looked into it though.





The Nazis had a project called Lebensbaum (Life Tree) where they literally intended to breed superaryans by letting picture perfect aryans have babies together. The result was that there was a great incidence of birth defects due to inbreeding.

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Re: Native Americans [Re: Asante]
    #22313308 - 09/30/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The Nazis had a lot of projects, yet I don't think even one of them is relevant to this discussion.


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    #22313320 - 09/30/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You don't see the connection between you saying all blue eyed people share one ancestor and the Lebensbaum project?


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    #22313327 - 09/30/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, I don't. It's irrelevant.


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    #22313333 - 09/30/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whatever man.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Asante]
    #22313350 - 09/30/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here we have the relevant stuff:

"Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor", according to University of Copenhagen researchers

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm

and then there is this guy who disputes their findings:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/01/blue-eyed-humans-do-not-have-a-single-common-ancestor/#.VgwSGH0gtRo

He does say, however, "I do acknowledge that it is correct that the vast majority of of people who exhibit blue-eyes do share a common ancestor within the last 10,000 years."

I don't see anything about Nazis on either link.


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    #22313372 - 09/30/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nazis had a thing for blue eyes, blonde hair and certain features, if you recall.


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    #22313378 - 09/30/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have blue eyes, am I a nazi?


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    #22313380 - 09/30/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I don't. It's irrelevant.




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    #22313381 - 09/30/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I might have read a thing or two about it in every history book ever. I just don't see what this has to do with anything though.


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    #22313382 - 09/30/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think what Asante's trying to say is that the native americans were genetically engineered by the nazi's.


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    #22313403 - 09/30/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think what Asante's trying to say is that the native americans were genetically engineered by the nazi's.



I think he's trying to imply there's some sort of hidden racism in my statement, but if so that's pretty funny since Asante is a huge racist. He's so racist he can't even name 7 of his favorite black people.


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    #22313410 - 09/30/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I might have read a thing or two about it in every history book ever. I just don't see what this has to do with anything though.




The nazi's accidently did an experiment that seems to point overwhelmingly in the direction that what they called Aryan people are all closely related.
We where talking about how blue eyed people share a common ancestor (That may or may not have lived in Doggerland).

So.. I don't see how you can't see the connection? Sorry man, I thought you where fucking :shrug:

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    #22313432 - 09/30/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I know that. It still isn't relevant. We already know Hitler enjoyed when his niece pissed on him. Any hardcore racist like that would breed with their sister before what they view as lesser races. There's little shock here.


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    #22313436 - 09/30/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also btw, native americans aren't a single "shade". Tribes varied so much, there were natives nearly pale, and there were natives who were darker. But that fact is even more exaggerated today due to mixed natives being the norm.



Yes, Crazy Horse, of the Oglalas....actually had light hair and was given his birth name Curly before he eventually took his fathers name.


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    #22313440 - 09/30/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that. It still isn't relevant. We already know Hitler enjoyed when his niece pissed on him. Any hardcore racist like that would breed with their sister before what they view as lesser races. There's little shock here.




- We're talking about a thing.
- A thing that compounds on the thing we're talking about gets brought up.
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    #22313447 - 09/30/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think he's trying to imply there's some sort of hidden racism in my statement, but if so that's pretty funny since Asante is a huge racist.




All your insults aside, no, I don't mean to imply that at all. I wasnt criticizing or arguing against your point, just adding to it from my own knowledge.


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    #22313514 - 09/30/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I predominately sit with Lakota and Mexica. The difference between phenotype and melanin content is pretty noticeable.
In regards to skin color a lot of natives refer to it as 'the law of the sun'.

It's hard to find prime examples today though because finding someone who is pure blood from a single nation is rather rare.


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    #22314289 - 09/30/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm half Native with blue eyes and have attended ceremonies through my life. My grandfather is full Native American and has our family tree going back a few generations.

I'm highly questioning the validity of a few posters here but am more disappointed in some of the replies.


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    #22314345 - 09/30/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is this really what the Pub has come to, Asante?


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Is this really what the Pub has come to, Asante?





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No way, I call fake.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22314400 - 09/30/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My thoughts on Native Americans is wrong.

I though do believe in there sign of the state of our lajd.


They own a hand full of casinos in my town.

I went to a garage sale one time with a Native American


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Roostertail]
    #22314424 - 09/30/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I went to a garage sale one time with a Native American



Woah, you're like, super qualified.
Please teach us these ways.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Sun King] * 1
    #22314921 - 09/30/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Sun King said:
I have blue eyes, am I a nazi?



yes


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22314953 - 09/30/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

uh oh


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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22314993 - 09/30/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The swastika is actually a pretty cool symbol other than the association with nazis


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22314998 - 09/30/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
The swastika is actually a pretty cool symbol other than the association with nazis




It is a pity how they fucked it up for everybody.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22315007 - 09/30/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Native Americans [Re: HomelessComputer]
    #22315025 - 09/30/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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336 said:
You got to admit, that swastika is pretty sexy looking.





It is actually, really gets my libido going.


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Asante]
    #22317266 - 10/01/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whatever man.



Are you saying I'm inbred, or somehow selective bred because I have blue eyes?


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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
    #22317288 - 10/01/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Everything about us would be poop coloured if we weren't selectively bred. Obviously.


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