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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312325 - 09/30/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Also btw, native americans aren't a single "shade". Tribes varied so much, there were natives nearly pale, and there were natives who were darker. But that fact is even more exaggerated today due to mixed natives being the norm.
I have blue eyes ..
..might have been some cross breeding there a few branches back. Chicks dig it though
So that means you can trace your ancestry all the way back to ancient and drowned Doggerland, where the genes for blue eyes seem to have originated. So you're descendand from early European hunter-gatherer cultures!
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Do what now?
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312346 - 09/30/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are descended from the "Doggerland" - the source of blue eyes (and their genes) according to Turtletotem.
That being said, I have no idea what he is talking about.
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Re: Native Americans [Re: The Moose]
#22312353 - 09/30/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just looked up Doggerland. I don't recall ever hearing that name before. I'll have to look into it. So far all I've gathered is that if you're into archeology and 'relic' hunting that could very well be a mecca... even though it's under water.(drowned) I've never done any underwater hunting.
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312360 - 09/30/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was a huge grassland during the ice age, but now it lies sunken on the bottom of the North Sea. For centuries fishermen caught all sorts of oddities in their nets, from mammoth bones to stone tools. A large archeological record of this drowned land exists, and I even helped cataloguing it a few years back.
The blue eyes of Europeans can be traced genetically all the way back to this period in time, to the hunter-gatherer tribes that lived in north-western Europe and Doggerland. So if you have blue eyes, this is where they came from. I think that's pretty cool.
Still, we don't know much about the people that lived there. We can only learn about them trough archeology, because they left no writing, and no oral history about them exists. One thing we know, for example, is that they buried their dogs in exactly the same ritiualistic way as they buried humans, so from that we can be fairly certain that dogs where very important to these people.
I wish I could tell you guys more, but I'm no archeologists nor geneticist, I just repeat stuff I heard from people who study it
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That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
#22312372 - 09/30/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.
Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers? Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
#22312375 - 09/30/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Five minutes after just learning about it I'd give it a gander.. I'd love to be turned loose there and see what I could see.
I need to find a site or something with pictures to see what kind of stuff they're finding over there..
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312385 - 09/30/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm looking for some pictures too, but I mainly find fancifull reconstructions and very few artifacts 
I saw all the bones and artifacts in the North Sea archeology depot, where I did volunteer work for two years.
http://natgeotv.com/uk/stone-age-atlantis There is aparently a TV show about it, don't know how accurate it is.
EDIT: I might have a CD-ROM somehwere with pictures, I'll see if I can find it this afternoon.
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Achillita said: That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.
Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers? Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?
I was always told as a kid that it's in relation to the sun. I'm up northeast, in the woods where there is shade. The plains guys don't get much shade so, sun = pigment when it comes to the eyes.
I suspect this to be highly bullshit, something they tell the kids etc. I've always suspected some slick fellow, or lady slipped their way into my current bloodline. In all honesty my pops is the geneology guy. He's the guy for me to ask. My grandma is another one..
See, we have pictures that for instance, only my grandma knows who these people are..her sisters dont know but she does. And she's 86. You see what I'm saying here? When she goes, all that history is gone and you're just left with pictures or written accounts of ...who knows.
It's been that way for awhile now, history getting lost. Imagine how many people never had a picture taken or someone take notes about them. Gone, just like that. My pops is all about that Detective work, I should have a real solid sit down with him and figure out what's what.
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312415 - 09/30/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He's actually written me books about our lineage.. I read them, I just don't recall everything. I feel like an ass now....lol
..man I suck
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Amanita86]
#22312567 - 09/30/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Acaterpillar said: Shamans are siberian holy men. Here in the Americas we have different names for them.
Don't forget about your great white north! Pretty certain amung the Inuit, the term shamen is pretty common.
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The word "shaman" probably originates from the Tungusic Evenki language of North Asia. The Evenki word is probably ultimately borrowed from Pali समन (samana) from Sanskrit[3] श्रमण (śramaṇá, "ascetic, monk, devotee"), from श्रम (śráma, "fatigue, weariness, exhaustion; labor, toil etc."). According to ethnolinguist Juha Janhunen, "the word is attested in all of the Tungusic idioms" such as Negidal, Lamut, Udehe/Orochi, Nanai, Ilcha, Orok, Manchu and Ulcha, and "nothing seems to contradict the assumption that the meaning 'shaman' also derives from Proto-Tungusic" and may have roots that extend back in time at least two millennia.[4] The term was introduced to the west after Russian forces conquered the shamanistic Khanate of Kazan in 1552. The term "shamanism" was first applied by western anthropologists to the ancient religion of the Turks and Mongols, as well as those of the neighboring Tungusic and Samoyedic-speaking peoples. Upon learning more about religious traditions across the world, some anthropologists began to also use the term to describe unrelated magico-religious practices found within the ethnic religions of other parts of Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Americas, as they believed these practices to be similar to one another.
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Achillita said: That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.
Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers? Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?
It probably came from mixing with Europeans, as I have european decent from both my mother and my father. Although I have heard stories of blue eyes in native tribes from long ago. That was most likely from intermingling. It wasn't really considered taboo by natives to marry outsiders, especially if they were adopted into the tribe.
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Is there a peyote or mescaline tradition amongst your people?
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Moonshoe]
#22313034 - 09/30/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Many of the tribes have culturally appropriated the peyote traditions from the southern tribes of Texas and Mexico
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Re: Native Americans [Re: Achillita]
#22313058 - 09/30/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: That is pretty cool. I'm a blue eyed native aswell.
Blue eyed first Americans? Did this come from mixing with the first European settlers? Or are the blue eyes of first Americans unrelated to the blue eyes of Europeans?
It probably came from mixing with Europeans, as I have european decent from both my mother and my father. Although I have heard stories of blue eyes in native tribes from long ago. That was most likely from intermingling. It wasn't really considered taboo by natives to marry outsiders, especially if they were adopted into the tribe.
Crazy Horse supposedly had blonde hair, light skin, and blue eyes. No pictures were ever taken of him so all we have to go on are historical accounts. I believe his mother was Cheyenne and his father Sioux. Also don't forget it's pretty well accepted that my Viking ancestors settled and were incorporated into the Cherokee.
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His father was the milkman
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Turtletotem said: I just repeat stuff I heard from people who study it 
That's all anyone does here.
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