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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22308956 - 09/29/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know, do you have very frail hands?  I'm not exactly Dr. Vicegrip.  I try not to squeeze it completely dry when testing it.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22308998 - 09/29/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309018 - 09/29/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So this is the newest one.
I don't try to flatten it in my hand when I squeeze it but they pressure I apply leads to drops. If I squeeze harder it does stream slightly for a few seconds and then tapers off.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309020 - 09/29/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay so you have 4 holes, not two, very close together, they look very large, polyfill isn't very dense in any of the bottom holes, looks like you don't really have the hang of rolling it into a ball before stuffing it since it looks like it was kinda just.. shoved through both sides somehow, then pulled loose.

You're gonna have to mist to keep this thing moist.


6 holes is a bit too many for a box that small though.

In case you never had access to play doh, the motion I'm talking about is holding a huge amount of polyfill in one palm facing upward, and using the other palm in a circular motion around the polyfill repeatedly until it condenses.  You can usually add a bit more after condensing a giant handful once.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22309028 - 09/29/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay so you have 4 holes, not two, very close together, they look very large, polyfill isn't very dense in any of the bottom holes, looks like you don't really have the hang of rolling it into a ball before stuffing it since it looks like it was kinda just.. shoved through both sides somehow, then pulled loose.

You're gonna have to mist to keep this thing moist.



Yeah, like I said, four holes on the sides, two on each. Two holes at the top, one on each end.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309045 - 09/29/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay so you have 4 holes, not two, very close together, they look very large, polyfill isn't very dense in any of the bottom holes, looks like you don't really have the hang of rolling it into a ball before stuffing it since it looks like it was kinda just.. shoved through both sides somehow, then pulled loose.

You're gonna have to mist to keep this thing moist.



Yeah, like I said, four holes on the sides, two on each. Two holes at the top, one on each end.



So practice my balling and fewer holes on smaller tubs. I'm looking to move to bigger tubs in a couple of days with some bird seed I have ready and if just like to figure this thing out before I do so I can get the best results. I really appreciate the help and patience.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309066 - 09/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:

In short, for a mini:
-too many holes
-too big of holes
-holes not stuffed tightly enough on the bottom

You want to scale the size of the holes to the size of the tub.  The 66qt tub design for 5 jars of spawn, a brick of coir, and 2 qts of verm is the standard monotub.  When you deviate from that size you want to scale your FAE similarly, and anything under a 10 gallon tub, you want to only put one hole on each side.  If you have any slightly smaller hole saws those are handy for minis too.

You can get good mushrooms out of that though just by misting to compensate for lost moisture.  High FAE is good.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309068 - 09/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dial in the poly better. Roll each piece into a ball and lightly push it though until it's halfway inside the tub. Top holes should be a lot looser.

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So this is the newest one.
I don't try to flatten it in my hand when I squeeze it but they pressure I apply leads to drops. If I squeeze harder it does stream slightly for a few seconds and then tapers off.



That's perfect. Once the stream tapers off to a light dripping, that's when you know it is at field capacity. Like I said before, it should pool up around the knuckles and thumb when squeezed tightly. It's always better to have a sub a bit on the dry side than too wet.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309080 - 09/29/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A few drops is not enough.  You want a thin stream.



I suppose the amount of pressure applied could be subjective also then yeah?



you bet, but field capacity itself is not subjective, once you know it it's always the same


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22309081 - 09/29/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:thumbup:

In short, for a mini:
-too many holes
-too big of holes
-holes not stuffed tightly enough on the bottom

You want to scale the size of the holes to the size of the tub.  The 66qt tub design for 5 jars of spawn, a brick of coir, and 2 qts of verm is the standard monotub.  When you deviate from that size you want to scale your FAE similarly, and anything under a 10 gallon tub, you want to only put one hole on each side.  If you have any slightly smaller hole saws those are handy for minis too.

You can get good mushrooms out of that though just by misting to compensate for lost moisture.  High FAE is good.



Yeah I mean I've pulled a couple ounces out of two of these over the last month and a half so they're not totally unproductive.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22309092 - 09/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dial in the poly better. Roll each piece into a ball and lightly push it though until it's halfway inside the tub. Top holes should be a lot looser.

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So this is the newest one.
I don't try to flatten it in my hand when I squeeze it but they pressure I apply leads to drops. If I squeeze harder it does stream slightly for a few seconds and then tapers off.



That's perfect. Once the stream tapers off to a light dripping, that's when you know it is at field capacity. Like I said before, it should pool up around the knuckles and thumb when squeezed tightly. It's always better to have a sub a bit on the dry side than too wet.



I will make those adjustments and mist when it's dry. Thank you very much. You guys are awesome. I've tried to not bother anyone with shit like this but I'm just at a point where my research hasn't gotten me anywhere.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309105 - 09/29/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

One more thing, I use the wal mart polyfill but I hear it's the worst.  People claim it's a world of difference to just get it out of a 10 dollar pillow or get a higher quality craft brand.  Might help.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22309106 - 09/29/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't see anything about how deep OP substrate is. Am I missing that somewhere? Too little substrate could definitely cause this right?


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: brandonshmandon]
    #22309118 - 09/29/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It could, but it's more about the ratio of substrate to container volume that decides whether it can hold its own humidity.  Thin subs do fine in containers that still meet that ratio.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22309127 - 09/29/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is true.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: brandonshmandon]
    #22309139 - 09/29/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno the specs so you could be right.  Seems like it's a number of factors.  I'd go out and get some bigger tubs for sure, seems like that one is like 2-3 gallons, the smallest I use with the mono design is 5 gallon.  Smaller than that and I just colonize it with the lid on and put it inside a mono to fruit.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22309142 - 09/29/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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One more thing, I use the wal mart polyfill but I hear it's the worst.  People claim it's a world of difference to just get it out of a 10 dollar pillow or get a higher quality craft brand.  Might help.



I've wondered this myself. I've seen tubs posted with poly that looks a lot thicker than the one I use (from Walmart of course :lol:)

Is there a specific brand I should look for? Maybe I'll go to an arts and crafts store and get my poly there. Thanks for the heads up Inoc.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Inocuole]
    #22309165 - 09/29/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds right. My smallest is 7.5gal and I haven't had any issues with it yet


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22309167 - 09/29/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well if you look at my tubs, my polyfill balls are pretty tidy.  I don't have issues with it for whatever reason, other than the occasional fruit growing through it.

(this tub is embarrassing but it shows the poly well, it's also uncased boner cloner, gimme a break)


I'm not sure if it's technique or if there's a regional difference in quality.  That second one is actually a really good example of stumps being reconsumed by the mycelium.

And yeah, I use opaque tubs for 90% of my stuff, big whoop.  They're cheaper.


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Re: Mini monotub issues [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22309180 - 09/29/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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One more thing, I use the wal mart polyfill but I hear it's the worst.  People claim it's a world of difference to just get it out of a 10 dollar pillow or get a higher quality craft brand.  Might help.



I've wondered this myself. I've seen tubs posted with poly that looks a lot thicker than the one I use (from Walmart of course :lol:)

Is there a specific brand I should look for? Maybe I'll go to an arts and crafts store and get my poly there. Thanks for the heads up Inoc.



I actually saw you guys discussing this on another thread recently while talking about panty hose. Would the difference in poly matter if I made those balls with the nylons?


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