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I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS!
#22308347 - 09/29/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can anyone here with decent experiance take me under there wing and guide me thru my process?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22308369 - 09/29/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should take yourself over to the search bar and discover the plentiful bounty that is shroomery and its knowledge cultivation. Post progress reports and ask for help if something is confusing you if you CANNOT find an answer when using search bar. I can't help cause I'm not any expert.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: DivineO]
#22308406 - 09/29/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not that we don't mind helping. It's just there is a plethora of answers within the search function. Most of your questions can be answered within a couple minutes of reading. If you're stumped with a specific, feel free to ask. Just don't ask to be spoon-fed information. It's already right here in front of you. Good luck with you endeavors.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22308430 - 09/29/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Read this and follow the directions. Do not attempt to do things differently. You will succeed if you follow the directions. You will most likely fail or have poor results if you stray.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
-------------------- Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: tahoe]
#22308464 - 09/29/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Read this and follow the directions. Do not attempt to do things differently. You will succeed if you follow the directions. You will most likely fail or have poor results if you stray.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
Why on earth you still recommend outdated teks I will never know.....U should read thru that tek sometime....you might start realizing things tahoe...
More than half the info/practices in that tek are outdated/disproven, meaning you just set the poor noob back a notch....congrats.....
OP, here is a more up to date tek......with a shit ton less bad /useless info....
www.mushroomvideos.com and read all of it, then buy the full version if interested....
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Edited by PussyFart (09/29/15 01:58 PM)
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22308592 - 09/29/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pf, like what? The grow chamber kind of sucks but would work. And no dunk and roll, but I have never seen a dunked and rolled cake produce better than the cakes I used to grow. The brf/verm/water ratio is acceptable also. I am not sure why you hate the mmgg so much.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: tahoe] 1
#22308687 - 09/29/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Pf, like what? The grow chamber kind of sucks but would work.
Kinda sucks?
Drip shields, humidifiers, only talk of high humidity and co2, but hardly any talk of FAE...styrofoam coolers.....
Then there is the phrase.... "Psilocybe Cubensis is a phototropic mushroom. It needs light to initiate pinning and to tell the mushrooms which way is up."...
Light is merely a secondary pinning trigger, it needs full colonization and FAE before light.....and gravity tells them which way to grow, which is up....
I can go on and on tearing up every bit of info in that tek, but I don't hav time for that.....I would rather just link to a better tek....
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tahoe said: I am not sure why you hate the mmgg so much.
Not sure what the mmgg is, sounds outdated tho(oh wait, it's that tek)..... my only problem is the info that you, as a TC, are recommending to noobs....because u are only here 5% of the time....the other 95% of the time, I will have to clear those things up with these noobs after you recommend they read outdated, useless, silly info, and then they get confused because 2 TCs from 2 different decades are disagreeing on important info.........U are doing more harm than good in other words.....not hating, just being real.
You will probably not respond to this, or shrug it off like you have several times now in the past when I have called you out for spreading the same bad info, and had the exact same convo with you......
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Edited by PussyFart (09/29/15 02:36 PM)
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22308701 - 09/29/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22308769 - 09/29/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22308801 - 09/29/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Welcome to the shroomery. Prepare for middle school all over again. Check out the myco-links in my sig and the links in PF's sig. Those are great jumping off points. Ultimately you will have to decide what works for you.
There is a thread called AMU (can find in my links) and they answer questions. There are lots of badass growers over there that will give you good advice.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Big Bear]
#22309061 - 09/29/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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idiots
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: blackdust]
#22309076 - 09/29/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: idiots
You strike me as a very conflicted, troubled individual when it comes to these kinds of issues. People who post stuff that's not the best current information seem to always be able to pull at your heart strings. What's up with that?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22309248 - 09/29/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: You will probably not respond to this
Called it.....so predictable...it's getting old....can u defend your advice at least once tahoe?
Am I wrong for calling those things outdated and silly?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22309260 - 09/29/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He couldn't live with the guilt if someone under his instruction strayed away from the drip shield and failed. Are you so different PF??
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22309333 - 09/29/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, if someone follows my advice or my tek of choice and fails, chances are it wasn't the advice or the tek.....
I also do not advise to make fruiting chambers that will perform inadequately when compared to what everyone else does on the forum these days....it's 2015, not 2003.
Just like the original iphone from 07 is basically obsolete, so are some cultivation teks and beliefs of that time.
Evolution
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22309406 - 09/29/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: blew42]
#22312102 - 09/30/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Loser turns into in a tc tag?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: gizmo1]
#22312119 - 09/30/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: tahoe]
#22312143 - 09/30/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Read this and follow the directions. Do not attempt to do things differently. You will succeed if you follow the directions. You will most likely fail or have poor results if you stray.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
That's the first guide I stumbled across before finding this site. I built the ultrasonic with the 2L pop bottles et al. It was an incredibly huge pain in the ass. I wish I could fart in your dinner for recommending it.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312170 - 09/30/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Sure, if someone follows my advice or my tek of choice and fails, chances are it wasn't the advice or the tek.....
I also do not advise to make fruiting chambers that will perform inadequately when compared to what everyone else does on the forum these days....it's 2015, not 2003.
Just like the original iphone from 07 is basically obsolete, so are some cultivation teks and beliefs of that time.
Evolution
The "PF Tek" was even terrible back then :V
We tried it like... once, and then realized an autoclavable bag held 10x as much.
You can simply use brown or parboiled rice (with 3/4 of the water) which is cheaper and easier.
Cakes in terrariums get fewer results than casing in plastic tubs.
You can inject sterile water into a bag, mix and draw it out and get sterile inoculum.*
You can mix the mycelium up in a bag when it is ~10-15% colonized to speed things up 3-fold.
These are P. cubensis and some of the easiest mushrooms to grow and fruit. I'm not sure what "new millennium methods" brought to the table but I got good flushes in a plastic container covered in plastic or saran wrap (I was not about to set up some intricate air flow and filtration system in 20 or 30 large plastic containers). Even when I mistakenly left some bags in the temperature-controlled inoculation chamber (a small closet in my room with a door as the temperature control) they STILL fruited, albeit with much fewer mushrooms than a casing would bring.
I would just like to know what scientific advances I've missed out on :V
* keep in mind these were the bags with the self-healing inoculation site
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Edited by micro (09/30/15 02:25 AM)
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312247 - 09/30/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said: I would just like to know what scientific advances I've missed out on :V
It's more like logical advances that blow that tek out the water.... like the understanding on how gravity effects mushroom growth, how tons of FAE will get you low co2 levels, high RH, and healthier fruits if you find a way to make it passive and constant, instead of telling everyone to just focus on keeping the chamber at 90% RH or above which will teach them a lot less about how this stuff works.
Or how NOT keeping the jars in a dark place to colonize is just fine, or how dunking the cakes and rolling them in verm(re-hydrating and casing them) gives better results than not....Do I have to go on?
That tek says a temp drop and light is required for cubes to pin.....or my favorite part....
""""If the mushrooms have mycelium growing on the caps, it is an indication that your humidity is too low in the terrarium. In this case, you have just enough humidity to allow the cakes to fruit, but you are right on the edge of failure. """"
My god, what were they smoking back then? All of this info is harmful to noobs, and none of it should ever be recommended by a TC on these forums......we're better than that.
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Edited by PussyFart (09/30/15 02:56 AM)
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LocN9ne
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312254 - 09/30/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soooo...maybe a function that allows certain members to mark old crap out dated or have it moved to an archive to keep for references or something...idk how this shit works but this outdated info thing combined with all the "use the search function" (when folks don't use the search filters, because a lot dont) comments really makes for a bunch of repetitive, unnecessary posts... I'm high, I don't really care all that much...just a thought
Ha...that's totally what the filter on the search's function is for isn't it? My bad
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312271 - 09/30/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312283 - 09/30/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bet.....still waiting on tahoes response, but not expecting one....
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312289 - 09/30/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TM said: Ya Ralph... Bags totally suck:
and people praised grows like this back then. Imo these days may seem more strict, but it's actually much easier.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312297 - 09/30/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Soooo...maybe a function that allows certain members to mark old crap out dated or have it moved to an archive to keep for references or something...idk how this shit works but this outdated info thing combined with all the "use the search function" (when folks don't use the search filters, because a lot dont) comments really makes for a bunch of repetitive, unnecessary posts... I'm high, I don't really care all that much...just a thought
Ha...that's totally what the filter on the search's function is for isn't it? My bad
In all fairness, I think people have historically stuck to the PF tek as a recommendation for newbs because it was thought to be easier. Like I said in one of those posts, I never did find it to be easier but certainly less effective, so I'm not one to advocate it. I never saw how jars are easier than bags or how building a terrarium that needs to maintain a high rH in the ass-cold winters of Massachusetts was easier than casing it.
Then again, peat and lime was considered an "advanced technique."
Most of what I learned was from The Mushroom Cultivator or other books, along with PubMed.
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PussyFart said: I bet.....still waiting on tahoes response, but not expecting one....
He made a thread about sterilizing times for bags.
You could always tell him to get back in here xD
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312309 - 09/30/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure he read this.......
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Mad Season]
#22312316 - 09/30/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: and people praised grows like this back then. Imo these days may seem more strict, but it's actually much easier.
those aren't done yet
also, unicornbag.com ???
what is that, i don't even
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312320 - 09/30/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:

Not done yet either. I'm sure you can see the difference though. Caps are much more full and the stems aren't fuzzy and skinny.
This is what I mean by strict. If that person posted that pic today people would tell him he needs more fresh air exchange (fae)
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Mad Season]
#22312327 - 09/30/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's just wrong. There is more than one variable involved in getting a good flush.
Also, they are growing it *inside the bag* which is probably their first issue, not air exchange.
Those bags generally have a .2um filter-patch on them for that very reason.
Oh, I also got better flushes than the picture you posted =P
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312341 - 09/30/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool. So basically you don't have any idea what fruits lacking in fae look like.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312348 - 09/30/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just don't carry such a myopic view.
Having *too good* a pinset results in tiny midget mushrooms.
It is all a balance.
Also, there is a filter patch
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312357 - 09/30/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Filter patches are meant to restrict airflow down to just GE during colonization, not provide any type of FAE for fruiting......
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312378 - 09/30/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Filter patches are meant to restrict airflow down to just GE during colonization, not provide any type of FAE for fruiting......
The filter was pretty large for the size of the bags... I can't imagine any kind of gas not being able to diffuse through it. That said, I don't advocate *fruiting* them in the bag anyway. They would have gotten a better flush and bigger mushrooms casing it.
I have gotten flushes of probably 500 in a smallish plastic container, to the point it was a pain in the rear to pick all of them. They were tiny midget mushrooms and my roommate had a few but they were HUGE. After that I just didn't case them as evenly; the problem was the amount of substrate vs. nutrients all of those mushies would need as they grow up. A lot of mushrooms is not always the best goal. It should be saturated, however.
That said, smaller mushrooms are thought to be more potent.
edit: also, restrict airflow?
what on earth, why would anyone do that
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
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PussyFart said: Filter patches are meant to restrict airflow down to just GE during colonization, not provide any type of FAE for fruiting......
The filter was pretty large for the size of the bags... I can't imagine any kind of gas not being able to diffuse through it. That said, I don't advocate *fruiting* them in the bag anyway. They would have gotten a better flush and bigger mushrooms casing it.
And an even bigger flush if spawned to bulk.....
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micro said: That said, smaller mushrooms are thought to be more potent.
By weight, yes.
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what on earth, why would anyone do that
To have filtered GE.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22312390 - 09/30/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beats me why people restrict airflow on fruiting. That's why I was shocked people weren't telling the dude to get more fae, because his shit needed it. Also ime, if you give them what they need, big pinsets turn into:

I'll show you what bods shit turns into. He only posted that a few hours ago
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22312397 - 09/30/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: And an even bigger flush if spawned to bulk.....
y. straw is cheap, and works well
i did get some looks though coming home with a bale of straw downtown in the city
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PussyFart said: By weight, yes.
right. not worth all the picking though, lol and i forget if i even got a good weight from those
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PussyFart said: To have filtered GE.
k, i'm missing something here
what is the difference? air is a gas
any gas should be able to move through a .2um filter so the only difference is dust particles, etc.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Mad Season]
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PussyFart said: And an even bigger flush if spawned to bulk.....
y. straw is cheap, and works well
i did get some looks though coming home with a bale of straw downtown in the city
straw is considered a bulk substrate, not a casing material....and I never said anything about straw....
You said adding a casing layer would yield more, then I said "and spawning to bulk would yield even more"so what's the issue?
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PussyFart said: To have filtered GE.
k, i'm missing something here
what is the difference? air is a gas
any gas should be able to move through a .2um filter so the only difference is dust particles, etc.
Why would we use restrictive filters for fruiting, when fruiting requires butt loads of fresh air?
We use these filters specifically because of their ability to block most fresh air, so whatever substrate we have in out jars/bags stays sterile.
Fruiting is not a sterile process, it is done in open air, with tons of currents, and millions of mold spores.
If you fruit in the same bag as you colonized in, without adding holes for adequate FAE, you get shrooms that look like this:
[url=https://files.shroomery.org/files/111702-2/94891-P1010085.jpg]
These fruits are begging for more FAE, because there is no FAE in that bag....there is only a single hole covered in filter material.....
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Yerow]
#22312760 - 09/30/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just shut up and grow drugs
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: blackdust]
#22313658 - 09/30/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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blackdust said: just shut up and grow drugs
You shut up, stop trying to stifle progress everywhere. You just pop up in threads and say things like "idiots.." and shit like this. You're not contributing, you're just asking people to stop trying to prove each other wrong which is the entire foundation of the information we have here.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22313798 - 09/30/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pf is right. I am wrong. Don't use the magic mushroom growers guide.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: PussyFart]
#22313908 - 09/30/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: And an even bigger flush if spawned to bulk.....
y. straw is cheap, and works well
i did get some looks though coming home with a bale of straw downtown in the city
straw is considered a bulk substrate, not a casing material....and I never said anything about straw....
You said adding a casing layer would yield more, then I said "and spawning to bulk would yield even more"so what's the issue?
Wow. Sometimes I just don't get people :|
Didn't you see the quote? Who said anything about casing there?
I was agreeing with you and I was talking about bulk substrate.
I bolded it so it stands out this time :V
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Why would we use restrictive filters for fruiting, when fruiting requires butt loads of fresh air?
We use these filters specifically because of their ability to block most fresh air, so whatever substrate we have in out jars/bags stays sterile.
oiy
No, it does not block any kind of air.
Let me try this again :V
Air is a gas. The molecules in a gas can go through the filter.
Unless you are saying it needs dust and spores there really isn't a difference.
They aren't made to block gas, they are made to block anything bigger than .2um (like, not gas).
If you think it is restrictive, then why?
I'm just curious because if it was you'd think they would put bigger filters on them.
It wouldn't be that difficult to test out though.
Just throw a CO2 meter in a colonized bag that won't likely contaminate and seal it.
I have never noticed any CO2 buildup in them, however.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22313911 - 09/30/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You really don't understand the difference in air flow between a GE filter and the usual means of providing FAE?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22313933 - 09/30/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: And an even bigger flush if spawned to bulk.....
y. straw is cheap, and works well
i did get some looks though coming home with a bale of straw downtown in the city
straw is considered a bulk substrate, not a casing material....and I never said anything about straw....
You said adding a casing layer would yield more, then I said "and spawning to bulk would yield even more"so what's the issue?
Wow. Sometimes I just don't get people :|
Didn't you see the quote? Who said anything about casing there?
I was agreeing with you and I was talking about bulk substrate.
I bolded it so it stands out this time :V
See the letter "Y" in the beginning of your sentence?
Made me think you were asking a question...my bad.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: tahoe]
#22313969 - 09/30/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the only information anyone needs in this thread is to grow everybody else can use the search function look for a tek with pictures of the kind of shrooms you shall want
i can help....
RogerRabbits Rye tek http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Grain-Preparation http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Grain-to-Grain-Transfers

RR's PF tek http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
  
Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
     
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: blackdust]
#22313975 - 09/30/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: blackdust]
#22313984 - 09/30/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Check it out i can find the most versatile tek to help you grow!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22314160 - 09/30/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You really don't understand the difference in air flow between a GE filter and the usual means of providing FAE?
Why don't you explain it to me? :V
The only difference I could see is the volume of gas exchanged
I only have empirical evidence to go by regarding that.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22314169 - 09/30/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You really don't understand the difference in air flow between a GE filter and the usual means of providing FAE?
Why don't you explain it to me? :V
The only difference I could see is the volume of gas exchanged
Sounds like you beat me to it. The volume of gas exchanged is the primary difference, aside from filtration, between FAE and GE.
With GE it's like "If I squeeze the bag will air escape cleanly through the filter, and in reverse?" and with FAE it's more like "Am I actually having completely new air in this chamber from hour to hour, nevermind it being clean?"
One low-micron filter such as the ones on filter patch bags can let air pass through, but think about how much harder it is to get it to pass, you probably do have to squeeze the bag. If a SGFC were a bag, and you squeezed it, it wouldn't even offer any resistance, it would just give way to the air.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Mad Season]
#22314194 - 09/30/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Check it out i can find the most versatile tek to help you grow!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051
lol, nice
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22314203 - 09/30/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Sounds like you beat me to it. The volume of gas exchanged is the primary difference, aside from filtration, between FAE and GE.
With GE it's like "If I squeeze the bag will air escape cleanly through the filter, and in reverse?" and with FAE it's more like "Am I actually having completely new air in this chamber from hour to hour, nevermind it being clean?"
One low-micron filter such as the ones on filter patch bags can let air pass through, but think about how much harder it is to get it to pass, you probably do have to squeeze the bag. If a SGFC were a bag, and you squeezed it, it wouldn't even offer any resistance, it would just give way to the air.
aside from filtration ???
well, never mind that, once i get started again maybe i can do both and test it
co2 reading should be enough
i'm not sure what kind of mushrooms i'm gonna grow though; probably morels pr something
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22314206 - 09/30/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well you could argue that if the volume exchanged were enough, it wouldn't matter whether it was filtered and you could still call it FAE. Though maybe that should be coined FFAE, to denote the fact it's filtered.
You're gonna... grow morels?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22314213 - 09/30/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, I've wanted to for a while
two ways i'm gonna try fruiting them, all indoors
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: micro]
#22314221 - 09/30/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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micro said: yeah, I've wanted to for a while
two ways i'm gonna try fruiting them, all indoors
Gonna need enough for everybody. 

Seriously though, I'm actually interested, in case you thought I was mocking you or something. I'm kinda high so it might come off that way.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22314226 - 09/30/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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^^^thanks innoc... I was running low.
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22314292 - 09/30/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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/facepalm. once again innoc and his merry band of goons
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Dionili]
#22314321 - 09/30/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dionili said: /facepalm. once again innoc and his merry band of goons
Coming from the person who criticizes me for having nothing positive to say, that's quite the gem. What's wrong with being really interested in someone attempting cultivating morels indoors? Have you ever grown morels indoors? I disagree with that guy tons but I'm much more interested in what he has to say than things like this. Why reduce others to goons, is your view so shallow of how a community actually functions?
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Inocuole]
#22314675 - 09/30/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I WANNA GROW FUNGUS AMUNGUS! [Re: Mad Season]
#22315167 - 09/30/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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TM said: Ya Ralph... Bags totally suck:
All this arguing over this one picture and the filter on the bag and GE through the filter. Yet no one actually looked close enough at the pic to realize that the filter is irrelevant in this situation. I don't think it's a sealed bag grow. It looks like a small tray in the bottom of the bag and he's using the bag as a "humidity tent" with no holes. Like the kits that newbs always post on here and are always lacking FAE. I'd guess the top of the bag is just folded over. Which would explain the clarity of the pic. He just unfolded the top and stuck the camera in, rather than take a pic through the bag.
What a waste of a good bag.
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