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    #22307880 - 09/29/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So this is my first time trying the "Monotub" method I suppose, at least one with polyfill in some holes for FAE.  When I used to do this 10 years ago we just wafted the box out a few times a day and it worked.

So I'm wondering, am I doing something wrong here?  Too much or too little moisture?  Not enough FAE?





I should mention, this is my first grow larger than a few cakes in about 10 years, so I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as I once was...


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22307887 - 09/29/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have top holes?

have you read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777

Are there beads of moisture all along the sub? Your bottom evap rings look good, not sure why you spaced them so far apart though. Tub looks a bit off.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22307898 - 09/29/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22307906 - 09/29/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea there's condensation all over the mycelium, with the exception of the areas closest to the FAE holes.

Yes there are top holes lightly stuffed with polyfil.

As far as the side holes are concerned I just did exactly what I read here, approximately 4 inches up from the bottom, and four inches in from the side.

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Actually, now that I'm looking at it, they DO look far apart in comparison to frank's photos...


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22307921 - 09/29/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What variety is this?
Are your top holes showing evaporation lines like Franks? Did you click that link? If not loosen them and check every 6-12 hours for changes.
How big is that tote?
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Are there beads of moisture all along the sub?




What are your temps?
How many qts did you spawn to?
Did you add a top layer or naw?
What material is that? Coir, poo, etc.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22307923 - 09/29/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea there's condensation all over the mycelium, with the exception of the areas closest to the FAE holes.

Yes there are top holes lightly stuffed with polyfil.

As far as the side holes are concerned I just did exactly what I read here, approximately 4 inches up from the bottom, and four inches in from the side.

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Actually, now that I'm looking at it, they DO look far apart in comparison to frank's photos...



sounds like you may need more FAE if there's water all over the mycelium


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22307930 - 09/29/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Loosen those top holes to what Frank has, running down lines of evap.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22307946 - 09/29/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What variety is this?
Are your top holes showing evaporation lines like Franks? Did you click that link? If not loosen them and check every 6-12 hours for changes.
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Are there beads of moisture all along the sub?




What are your temps?
How many qts did you spawn to?
Did you add a top layer or naw?
What material is that? Coir, poo, etc.




Koh Samui SS I beleive.

Yea there's evaporation lines, but not as dramatic.

Don't remember how big the tote is exactly, but you know, standard size for this kind of thing.

Temps are mid low to mid 70's.

I used a shitload of spawn, 9 qt jars.

No casing layer.

Mostly coir and verm, with a tiny bit of poo added in.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22307953 - 09/29/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea there's condensation all over the mycelium, with the exception of the areas closest to the FAE holes.

Yes there are top holes lightly stuffed with polyfil.

As far as the side holes are concerned I just did exactly what I read here, approximately 4 inches up from the bottom, and four inches in from the side.

EDIT:

Actually, now that I'm looking at it, they DO look far apart in comparison to frank's photos...



sounds like you may need more FAE if there's water all over the mycelium





Pretty much exactly what I was thinking.  Guess I'll loosen up the holes and come check again later today.

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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22307966 - 09/29/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea there's condensation all over the mycelium, with the exception of the areas closest to the FAE holes.





sounds like you may need more FAE if there's water all over the mycelium



You want this moisture on the sub, it's condensation...but more FAE will always help.

What you don't want is a dry surface......you want constant condensation that is always evaporating off and coming back....


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22307972 - 09/29/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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have you read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777



Get your top holes as close to as dramatic as those are. Without enough FAE it'll take forever to pin. That tub is probably going to explode :rockon:

EDIT:

As PF stated, there's a fine line between too much FAE and not enough FAE and once you pass over that and blast the myc and it dries out there's actually a point of no return. Balance is key.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22308507 - 09/29/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are knots all over that. Plus you need to mist it. Get your spray bottle out and hit it with 15-20 pulls of the trigger. Knock down all that aerial mycelium. It has nothing to do with lack of holes. Maybe you need less holes.

Look, no holes.  Look how wet the top of the substrate is. Look at all the pins.



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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: tahoe]
    #22310074 - 09/29/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There are knots all over that. Plus you need to mist it. Get your spray bottle out and hit it with 15-20 pulls of the trigger. Knock down all that aerial mycelium. It has nothing to do with lack of holes. Maybe you need less holes.

Look, no holes.  Look how wet the top of the substrate is. Look at all the pins.






Obviously it's very hard to tell from photos what EXACTLY is going on here, but I feel like maybe the answer I should take from this thread so far is "more FAE, more water"?

I don't know exactly what having knots means, but I know what pinning means, and unfortunately knots aren't getting me any fruits.

I honestly am getting a tad worried about it.  Never really had anything stall out like this...

I was unaware that the aerial mycelium was a bad thing, I just thought it was particularly rhizomorphic growth.  I assuming now that it's indicative of low humidity or water content in the substrate?


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22310096 - 09/29/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Knots are the very beginning of visible primordia...they will become pins...then fruits.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22310150 - 09/29/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Knots are the very beginning of visible primordia...they will become pins...then fruits.




Sorry, I think I was being a little misleading.  I know what hyphal knots ARE, I meant that my tub has looked like this for a week, with no signs of further development.  Had a rough day and some snarkyness slipped out of me.  I apologize.

To be honest, when I'm looking at it here, compared to the picture, it doesn't look like knots at all.  It just looks like places where cottony mycelium is doing what the rhizomorphs are doing, reaching up into the air.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22310158 - 09/29/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't look like knots to me either.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22310288 - 09/29/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I've loosened the upper polyfil, and misted it well, so we'll see what happens.

The smell is still that of healthy mycelium so at least that's something good.

Will update as things progress.

EDIT:

Well THIS is embarassing...  Just opened the tub under better lighting, and can clearly see the first few pins.  Man I feel like a real newb right now haha!  Just not patient enough I guess!  Let that be a lesson (to me mostly).  Thanks for your help everybody.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22310560 - 09/29/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good job! :gethigh:


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22311007 - 09/29/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Knocking down the mycelium will expose the knots and promote them.
The picture I posted looked like yours two days ago, excluding the casing. I am a tad wet in my pic but I had just watered it. I do not want my stuff looking that wet all the time. But definitely do not want it looking dry like yours. I would take too wet versus too dry.
I do not worry about fae until after it gets to this point.  I have always gotten great pin set doing it this way.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22311076 - 09/29/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well I've loosened the upper polyfil, and misted it well, so we'll see what happens.

The smell is still that of healthy mycelium so at least that's something good.


Will update as things progress.

EDIT:

Well THIS is embarassing...  Just opened the tub under better lighting, and can clearly see the first few pins.  Man I feel like a real newb right now haha!  Just not patient enough I guess!  Let that be a lesson (to me mostly).  Thanks for your help everybody.



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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22334459 - 10/04/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So here's an update.  Decent amount of pins maturing, though not exactly what I was hoping for obviously.  Made some rookie mistakes along the way: substrate uneven, didn't drill out the holes large enough, being impatient, etc.

Now I've got an OK pinset with fuzzy bases, and lots of side growth.  It also appears there might be some trich, but I can't really tell if it's bruising from being moved or contamination.

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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22334520 - 10/04/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see any trich :shrug:,

Increase your FAE a bit, loosen those top holes.
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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22334542 - 10/04/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see any trich :shrug:,

Increase your FAE a bit, loosen those top holes.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777




Thanks for the advice!  Look at the third picture, bottom left corner of the sub.  Not sure what the blue/green coloration is...

I've realized that my holes were too small (all are 1" diameter), so I've just removed the poly from the tops and super loosened the sides.  I've got two more tubs that are about a week behind this one so I'll use the lessons learned here on those and hopefully do a little better.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22334621 - 10/04/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for the advice!  Look at the third picture, bottom left corner of the sub.  Not sure what the blue/green coloration is...



It's bruised mycelium, you're good, no need to worry. Trich would be a brighter green color.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22334777 - 10/04/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Like I said, I don't see any trich :wink:


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: taGyo]
    #22335399 - 10/05/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That flush looks pretty good to me, I don't know what you mean by "it wasn't what I expected"..but then again I fail to even produce anything that isn't green, so I guess my expectations are pretty low. Congrats though.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: relsseS]
    #22336339 - 10/05/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That flush looks pretty good to me, I don't know what you mean by "it wasn't what I expected"..but then again I fail to even produce anything that isn't green, so I guess my expectations are pretty low. Congrats though.




Most of the fruits have aborted, so that's kind of a bummer.  Don't know why honestly, too much/too little moisture or too much/too little FAE.  Can't really tell.  But thanks anyway!

If you're growing pot, green is a good color :wink:

I see that your emoticon thingy says you're depressed, and your subtitle thingy says you're "too pathetic to kill yourself"...  Hope you're only kidding man.  There's nothing worth doing that.

My girlfriend of 5 years just broke up with me last night, three weeks before my 30th birthday, and the shit sucks.  But I've still got shrooms to take care of, and so do you man!


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: acidhead1279]
    #22341585 - 10/06/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I've tried and tried, and I think in the process fucked it up haha.  The method with the so-called mono tub is eluding me right now :frown:

Ended up with a decent pin set, but unfortunately 90% aborts.

So hard to tell if it's too wet/dry, too much/too little FAE.



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    #22343723 - 10/07/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That is an excellent pinset. That can't possibly be multispore can it? Mine are way more pathetic than that.


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Re: 8 - 10 Fruiting, no pins [Re: relsseS]
    #22354360 - 10/09/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That is an excellent pinset. That can't possibly be multispore can it? Mine are way more pathetic than that.




It definitely is a MS.  And it did WAY better than I thought it would.  All the side pins matured as did many of what I thought were aborts on the top.

Final dried weight from first flush:

111.33 Grams (slightly less than 4 oz)

Forgot to take a picture during harvest because I was too excited, but this is from just a few hours beforehand. 



I dunked my substrate for about 8 hours and have put it back in its chamber for hopefully flush two!

Also attempted to take clones from the two largest/prettiest fruits...

Finally remembering why I loved doing this years ago :wink:


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