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Philosophy Class Sucks 1
#22307842 - 09/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, I don't get American education. I mean I do but I think that it is very..well..dumb. I am taking a philosophy class and my professor is making me write a paper on Plato. How is that philosophy!? I believe that this class should be training our minds to question. I personally love to think philosophy and I'm sure a lot of you here do as well. Wouldn't you feel gypped? It seems like every class I take despite some good information is basically just trying to cram unnecessary things in our brains. I feel like education should be thought provoking not thought regulating. Discuss.
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Why?
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I think if you want to understand modern philosophy, one of the best places to start is with the early philosophers who influenced it.
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Re: Philosophy Class Sucks [Re: Sun King]
#22307892 - 09/29/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How are we gonna fix the world we live in if all we are taught is to memorize things? Sure it might bring some knowledge but don't we need people to challenge the common knowledge? Schools should be building us to be intelligent, teach us how to work together. I don't think this system of competition and memorization is going anywhere.
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I consider the philosophy classes I took to be garbage because I aced both of them without reading a page of the material. Well, maybe a page, but not much more than that. Didn't really learn a damn thing but it's my own fault for not really dedicating my attention to my studies.
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True but I have not been taught one thing that Plato came up with. Its all about his early life and his controversy.
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That is how you can understand the ideas he came up with
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LiquidVisions said: Hey everyone, I don't get American education. I mean I do but I think that it is very..well..dumb. I am taking a philosophy class and my professor is making me write a paper on Plato. How is that philosophy!? I believe that this class should be training our minds to question. I personally love to think philosophy and I'm sure a lot of you here do as well. Wouldn't you feel gipped? It seems like every class I take despite some good information is basically just trying to cram unnecessary things in our brains. I feel like education should be thought provoking not thought regulating. Discuss.
that's part of why I have little interest in going to college, it seems like all/most classes are like this. You try to cram as much meaningless information into your head as you can and then forget it next quarter in order to do it all over again. That plus the thought-regulating versus thought-provoking issue and you're left with a huge waste of time.
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Not exactly before we went over his thinking process but now we're just looking at history. Also why do we have to go over the white philosophers? I'm sure there are people from other parts of the world who came up with things maybe more profound than plato himself.
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I'd definitely say almost all. Education is nothing but a business and how can you make money off that business? By telling people it is a necessity since they were little kids. I'm sure if someone loved to read passionately and studied their own subjects of interest on their own time they would be more intelligent than the average college student. Luckily for me I like to read a lot on my own time. I once had this astronomy professor who not only explained theories but gave us the evidence as to why this theory may be true. She gave us the evidence to put the theory together ourselves and I love her for that.
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Ever noticed how certain philosophers and their world views are mandatory and socially acceptable, while others are swepped under the rug?
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I can agree with some of the points that you mentioned, I think college classes are adapted to fill the "course" rather than peoples minds. In other words people just want to feel like they're getting their money's "worth" out of school, and for that you have to have some sort of "concrete" "knowledge" that can be put into words/communicated. Now for people like you and me that just doesn't make sense at all, but this isn't to say that college is a waste of time.
It seems like you already have a preconceived notion about what college is all about, it's great to have an opinion but be careful what you "wish" for. Because it can come true as quick as you can think it. I assume it's also the start of the term(most courses will start with the old philosophers), give it a while and see how it plays out before you jump to these judgements, like I said it seems like you already have this idea in your head that you want to be true.
That being said I still think college academics can be a bit of a drag(personally), but it also gives you an incredible opportunity to be surrounded by your peers. Although I despise the notion of college as the "experimentation phase" It is true, you're at a point where you can put your foot in many figurative doors, try to take advantage of that and pay attention to opportunities. College now a days is certainly more about the "experience" rather than just strictly academics, though I guess it always has been(at least in America). And if your course still doesn't satisfy your appetite then feel free to branch out, you have access to all the great philosophers in your pocket.
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Yeah, that's the way it often goes, it seems.
Student walks into a new course. Assignment one: what the fuck is this shit, how is it even useful, it's not relevant, blah blah blah. And at the end of the course they either fail because they were too prejudiced to learn a single thing, or they have come to realize the professor maybe has a few years' more experience in this field and the best way to make a start is to open up to the learning experience.
Also writing a paper on Plato in a philosophy class sounds like a great place to start. Questioning things is good. Now figure out what to question (only things outside yourself, or your own ideas as well?) and how to do it. If you stick with it, you may learn something. If you don't, then it's your loss.
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Just do the reading so you can get a feel for how Plato thought, and then write the bullshit paper. Plato's Socrates stuff is pretty decent too. That guy could teach the trolls a thing or two, and he uses a great method of critical thinking.
I agree that there's lots of bullshit in pretty much all college classes. You can still get value out of lots of the stuff they teach though, especially if you can develop an interest in the subject matter. There's good stuff hidden in the bullshit.
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Why is Plato relevant to philosophy? Definitely not like he influenced 2000+ years of philosophy
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Re: Philosophy Class Sucks [Re: Cj-B]
#22308429 - 09/29/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also @ the idea that philosophy stands independent of history. You kinda need to know the history of that time period if you want the context of the idea.
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Re: Philosophy Class Sucks [Re: Cj-B]
#22308435 - 09/29/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just an angsty youngun. I used to know it all too. I'm not sure what happened to it all though.
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Re: Philosophy Class Sucks [Re: Cj-B]
#22308471 - 09/29/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not saying don't teach plato but why talk about greek history non stop? Its been weeks now and every class seems to cover the same stuff while the professor talks about his average life in between. He also told me I was wrong when I said it is possible to love someone without knowing them. He said in order to love someone you have to have respect for them care about them and feel responsible for them. He then proceeds to say that if your family member needed you to take them to the hospital while you were busy would you? to which everyone answered yes and my argument is that if you saw a homeless man break his leg while on your way to something important wouldn't you take him to the hospital? and he said that it is not love. By his standards I love everyone but this guy puts us in a box and told me I'm wrong when I questioned him.
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nicechrisman said: Just an angsty youngun. I used to know it all too. I'm not sure what happened to it all though.
First you think adults know it all, then you think you know it all, and then slowly, but without fail, it starts to dawn on you that nobody has got a fucking clue and we're all just trying to do our best and suddenly I got 5 kids to feed, what's going on?
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nicechrisman said: Just an angsty youngun. I used to know it all too. I'm not sure what happened to it all though.
First you think adults know it all, then you think you know it all, and then slowly, but without fail, it starts to dawn on you that nobody has got a fucking clue and we're all just trying to do our best and suddenly I got 5 kids to feed, what's going on?
Damn man. I don't think I know it all but I do have that attitude towards things I guess. But this..this scares me.
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