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My take on the poor mans pod
    #22307608 - 09/29/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I recently decided to try out a new tek, I've gotten pretty good with fruiting bulk bags. I figured I'd try something new
Once I made my mind up that I was going to use a pmp the next decision was what kind of bulk sub I would use, now I've had good luck with poo, coir and straw, each on there own and thought I'd mix em all together and see how it goes
Now I didn't use exact measurements on the coir or straw but the mixture went something like this
1 brick coir
1lb poo per pasteurized
2-3 cups verm
And about 3-4 lb of straw per pasteurized
Few tbsp of gypsum

Now for the fun part pasteurization of your coir
Take your brick of coir and throw it in a 5gallon bucket
Add your verm and gypsum on top of that
Take about a gallon of rain/lake water (if not available tap will work just fine) give or take a few cups
And get that in a pot on the stove bring it to a roaring boil for about 20-30 min (shorter times should be ok Id just rather be safe then sorry)
After water is boiling for desired time dump into your bucket over coir verm mix and put the lid on!!! YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD SEAL
Let sit for about 20-30 min then mix with some sort of long CLEAN spoon to distribute moisture and break up any remaining coir chunks(some times there will still be dry chunks of coir if needed add more boiling water) after mixing put your lid back on and let sit for another 3-4 hrs
After sitting for desired time take lid back off and add your poo, and straw and mix until its a homogeneous mixture(evenly mixed)
Once cooled below thermal death threat pack into myco filter pach bags and spawn 1:2 or 1:3 for fastest growth and seal with impulse sealers

Now while your bags colonize lets build our fruiting chamber or poor mans pod
You'll need
Drill
56qt tub with lid
Air pump
Air tubing
Air stone (flat circle or long rectangle shaped)
Hydroton(expanded clay pebbles)

First you'll need to drill holes around the tub above 4" 
5holes  on the long sides 3 on the smaller sides
Also on the handles big enough to fit your air tubing through
Once holes are drilled thred tubing through holes in handles and connect the air stones
Set them on the bottom of the tub then pour 3-4 inches of hydroton on top
Then fill your tub with just enough water/peroxide mix (10:1)  that the air stones create a nice bubbling action but it's not coming out of your holes that you drilled
Holes can also be drilled in the lid if there are no handles for tubing


Once bags are fully colonized you can Cut open grobags and take cakes out
Use some sort of barer to keep your cakes off the hydroton in your pod weather its verm or foil or even the plastic from the bags just make sure there not sitting on the hydroton
If your having a problem with Humitiy you can duct tape up a few holes to raise it
The pump provides fresh air and the bubbling creates relative humuty
So far cake 1 of six is in the pod and I'm already getting massive pin sets


Hope this was helpful
Thanks for readin my first post :wink:
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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22307617 - 09/29/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pics.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22307662 - 09/29/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Now for the fun part pasteurization of your coir
Take your brick of coir and throw it in a 5gallon bucket
Add your verm and gypsum on top of that
Take about a gallon of rain/lake water (if not available tap will work just fine) give or take a few cups
And get that in a pot on the stove bring it to a roaring boil for about 20-30 min (shorter times should be ok Id just rather be safe then sorry)
After water is boiling for desired time dump into your bucket over coir verm mix and put the lid on!!! YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD SEAL
Let sit for about 20-30 min then mix with some sort of long CLEAN spoon to distribute moisture and break up any remaining coir chunks(some times there will still be dry chunks of coir if needed add more boiling water) after mixing put your lid back on and let sit for another 3-4 hrs
After sitting for desired time take lid back off and add your poo, and straw and mix until its a homogeneous mixture(evenly mixed)
Once cooled below thermal death threat pack into myco filter pach bags and spawn 1:2 or 1:3 for fastest growth and seal with impulse sealers



This is where u messed up.....that is not pasteurization, and you just introduced contams into the manure.....manure needs proper pasteurization or it needs to remain unexposed to open air if sterilized.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: PussyFart]
    #22307721 - 09/29/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Air pumps and shit, sounds gay. Maintenance is for noobs. So is anything that isn't 100% passive unless it's a Greenhouse


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22307750 - 09/29/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well there fruiting just fine. Thanks for your imput though
No contams yet. I'll keep my fingers crossed :laugh:


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22307758 - 09/29/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you read the poo came from a vendor already pasteurized  same with the straw


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22307844 - 09/29/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you read the poo came from a vendor already pasteurized  same with the straw



If YOU read, it came sterilized, not pasteurized....

Quote:

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1lb poo per sterilized and zip it out



Not my fault u don't know the difference....


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22307890 - 09/29/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pasteurization gives you a 7-10 day window to achieve colonization. If you have it shipped....

Sterilized poo is pretty useless unless you spawn sterile too which is near impossible to do at home


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22307989 - 09/29/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How long ago did the vendor pasteurize the poo, and for how long?

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Pasteurization gives you a 7-10 day window to achieve colonization. If you have it shipped....

Sterilized poo is pretty useless unless you spawn sterile too which is near impossible to do at home





Beat me to the point..


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: PussyFart]
    #22307994 - 09/29/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Now for the fun part pasteurization of your coir
Take your brick of coir and throw it in a 5gallon bucket
Add your verm and gypsum on top of that
Take about a gallon of rain/lake water (if not available tap will work just fine) give or take a few cups
And get that in a pot on the stove bring it to a roaring boil for about 20-30 min (shorter times should be ok Id just rather be safe then sorry)
After water is boiling for desired time dump into your bucket over coir verm mix and put the lid on!!! YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD SEAL
Let sit for about 20-30 min then mix with some sort of long CLEAN spoon to distribute moisture and break up any remaining coir chunks(some times there will still be dry chunks of coir if needed add more boiling water) after mixing put your lid back on and let sit for another 3-4 hrs
After sitting for desired time take lid back off and add your poo, and straw and mix until its a homogeneous mixture(evenly mixed)
Once cooled below thermal death threat pack into myco filter pach bags and spawn 1:2 or 1:3 for fastest growth and seal with impulse sealers



This is where u messed up.....that is not pasteurization, and you just introduced contams into the manure.....manure needs proper pasteurization or it needs to remain unexposed to open air if sterilized.




I don't see how adding bucketek coir to pasteurized poo would be a problem.  The buckettek temp spikes well above pasteurization temps, so it should kill mold spores and have a diminished or nonexistent thermophilic bacteria content.  But coir doesn't need that to avoid contamination, and if the poo already has those bacteria, I don't see how anything is being introduced that wouldn't already be present.

Maybe you were responding to sterilized poo, where that might well exponentiate the shitstorm.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22308006 - 09/29/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Woa man sorry I made a typo lmfao y'all so uptight here. I mean it's working for me and  I'm getting results whats the big fuss?
And you were a noob once too  you got nothing better to do  then pick apart one typo?


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: taGyo]
    #22308009 - 09/29/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308018 - 09/29/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308022 - 09/29/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't see how adding bucketek coir to pasteurized poo would be a problem.



It wouldn't, except for the fact that he stated the manure was sterilized, not pasteurized..... he has now revised what he said.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: taGyo]
    #22308028 - 09/29/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tago I'll have pics later tonight my cameras at a friends and my iPhone camra doesn't work (go figure) and my chickens are popin up like there's no tomorrow
Yes pusst fart I made a typo I'm onlly human ease forgive me lord


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308036 - 09/29/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Woa man sorry I made a typo lmfao y'all so uptight here. I mean it's working for me and  I'm getting results whats the big fuss?



Because you need to be yelled at if the other were true, lol......those 2 words have 2 completely different meanings and uses....

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And you were a noob once too  you got nothing better to do  then pick apart one typo?



A typo and typing the wrong word are also 2 completely different things......

And the entire reason we are here is to pick apart "noob's typos" lol.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308069 - 09/29/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Tago I'll have pics later tonight



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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: taGyo]
    #22308095 - 09/29/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You'll be tappin them cookie fingers till I get home from work lol
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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: taGyo]
    #22308111 - 09/29/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As is said above pasteurized or sterile. Sterile poo is hell from what I've read. Spawning open air sterile poo wouldn't be the best. But hope all goes well still looking forward to pics and progress :smile:.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308141 - 09/29/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I had a pound of Hpoo/straw that i mixed in with a pound of colonized rye which wouldnt fruit in the bag, so i took it out, dunked and rolled it, then put it in a PMP. i was getting really good flushes out of it,  must have gotten an ounce and a half dry before it started producing these really big but completely hollow fruits and i threw it out.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: CrentistTheBensis]
    #22308246 - 09/29/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hollow fruits are result of unfavorable conditions  ether air exchange or humidity problems


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308273 - 09/29/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hollow fruits are result of unfavorable conditions  ether air exchange or humidity problems



Quote:

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Hollow fruits are result of unfavorable conditions  ether air exchange or humidity problems




Yeah I thought of that, but I had so many great flushes with zero change in condition before that. What I believe it to be was that it was getting pretty old for a cake (going on 3 months) now i dont know how old of a cake someone has had before, but it makes sense to me that if the myc was nearing the end of its life, it would sacrifice big meaty fruits for hollow ones so it could drop spores quicker. They grew so fast because there was nothing to the inside of them. I really thought they were going to be amazing until i tried to pick them. either way it is at the bottom of a river now.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: CrentistTheBensis]
    #22308305 - 09/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Next time you got "spent" cakes stomp em into the ground in a shady wet spot you'll be surprised you'll get a few more flushes, and for some reason they come up meatier and weigh a ton I imagen it's because there's not so much moisture so there's less water weight


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308327 - 09/29/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hollow fruits are result of unfavorable conditions  ether air exchange or humidity problems




:lolwut:

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    #22308331 - 09/29/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh boy, oh boy.

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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308340 - 09/29/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Next time you got "spent" cakes stomp em into the ground in a shady wet spot you'll be surprised you'll get a few more flushes, and for some reason they come up meatier and weigh a ton I imagen it's because there's not so much moisture so there's less water weight




its funny you mention that, because i just buried on of my spent mono cakes in one of the more fungi friendly areas of my yard. im hoping spring will bring good things :thumbup::mushroom2:

(i threw the pmp cake into the river because i was tripping balls and the hollow fruits spooked me)


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: CrentistTheBensis]
    #22308359 - 09/29/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hollow fruits spooked you??  :rofl:

Easiest way to trigger hollow fruits 9/10 times is to fruit at higher temperatures like 80-90F.  Fruiting at lower temperatures like 65F will result in much meatier, more solid stipes.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Inocuole]
    #22308389 - 09/29/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hollow fruits spooked you??  :rofl:

Easiest way to trigger hollow fruits 9/10 times is to fruit at higher temperatures like 80-90F.  Fruiting at lower temperatures like 65F will result in much meatier, more solid stipes.





yeah i just wasnt expecting it, it was like shaking your friends hand and it collapses, so you freak out and run to the door and when you go to turn the handle it collapses, etc etc..


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: CrentistTheBensis]
    #22308413 - 09/29/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hollow stipes are... an identifying feature of cubensis mushrooms, like the veil, or the gills.  That's pretty funny though.


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Inocuole]
    #22308421 - 09/29/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey all kinds of stuff spook people when they first start. At least his instincts were good. As opposed to the noob watching the tub get greener and greener praying it turns white again. . .


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22308452 - 09/29/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey all kinds of stuff spook people when they first start. At least his instincts were good. As opposed to the noob watching the tub get greener and greener praying it turns white again. . .




hey thanks! Ive said it before and ill say it again, youre the man pasty.


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    #22308562 - 09/29/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22308578 - 09/29/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey all kinds of stuff spook people when they first start. At least his instincts were good. As opposed to the noob watching the tub get greener and greener praying it turns white again. . .




Oh god... don't tell me... that's happened hasn't it?


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Inocuole]
    #22308632 - 09/29/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

At least not recently :lol:


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22308741 - 09/29/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well pasty I figured if he was getting meaty fruits in the beginning that maybe humidity or air exchange  might had charged with in the fruiting inviroment and caused the more "hollowed stems" yes cubses usually have hallow stems but he stated there was a change in thickness just throwing my 2 cent


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22308800 - 09/29/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry but your "2 cent" was wrong. Hollow stipes are normal for cubes, as was mentioned before but, the degree to which t they are hollow has zero to do with humidity and as far as i can tell very little if anything to do with air exchange. Genetics is a big factor and fruiting temps is also a big factor. If one wants solid mushies they should look into fruiting at lower temps and cloning or isolation.


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    #22308927 - 09/29/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm interested to test that  my self  perhaps ill try with a few of my PE cakes some in warmer some in colder temps and do a aside by side comparison  thanks for the input


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22309003 - 09/29/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

PE almost always put out a solid fruit regardless of fruiting temps.  FYI.


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    #22309131 - 09/29/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

But if what your saying is acurate the cooler ones should have tendencey to be thicker right?


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Re: My take on the poor mans pod [Re: Jstardamus]
    #22309149 - 09/29/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Depending on genetics. Using ms is always a crapshoot.


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